NRL Expansion idea

[happy_tiger]

Calling for the panthers to fold is like asking the tigers to fold.
The nrl needs penrith.
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I don't think anyone wants them to fold BT but if they can't become financially viable they may need to amalgamate and if that was to become so I think Parra would be the best option

 

[Goose]

14 teams ,home and away games and a top 5 semi finals and Happy would would be in Nirvana

not a bad option - but it would mean cutting 4 teams not 2 - because realistically as a business enterprise the NRL needs to expand - so which 4 teams would you cut and which 2 would you bring in - or are more mergers on the cards

Probably a combination of a few things DP I Think the Sharks to WA is a really good fit if we are going to relocate a side

Another team in the Brisbane region whether it be Ipswich , Brisbane or even the Sunshine Coast \North Brisbane side

Penrith to amalgamate with Parra makes sense to me probably not to either fan base but Penrith are in pretty serious trouble

Expansion in some areas is plausible but if we could sucessfully relocate some sides from Sydney that would be a better option imho Maybe even Manly to NZ :smiling_imp:

Couldn't agree with any of this.

I think that there is no way we will go back to 14 teams. The game needs more games not less, we should be expanding revenue sources not reducing them.

I think the game needs 2 brisbane teams, a second NZ team and Id like to see the sharks relocated to Perth or somewhere else and maybe Manly to central coast at least part time.

Penrith and Parramatta definitely should not merge. Both towns already provide huge junior bases and are growing cities that have expanding revenue sources.

There is enough talent to run 18 teams, once we have 18 squads training fulltime, would take no time. There is plenty of blokes running around outside of the NRL that if bought into a fulltime squad would be good NRL players.

We need to expand our television markets, one of the reasons the AFL has always got a bigger deal is because they can sell adds in more markets.

In response to the original post, I like it in theory, but in practice it would not work. An appeal for sponsors of teams and television advertisers is the national (well alost national) coverage, having an all Sydney comp will reduce this dramatically. It will also alienate interstate fans and effectively takes the Sydney part of it back to the old NSWRL days, we have advanced from there.
The outer sydney comp will have different issues, they will often rate poorly in Sydney, the biggest league market (and revenue source) , non traditional league areas are likely to be propped up by sydney to an extent now, this will not happen if they are in different comps

 

[Goose]

Unfortunately Penrith are one of those teams when they are not successful the fans will not show up!
With direction from the top of Penrith Panthers hopefully some better community relations can be conducted to win over the fans.
Retention of quality footballers from the area and better management of the team will lead to improved performance on the field and a stronger presence from blacktown to the mountains to keep the AFL Scum out!

Kick them out and the AFL has a foot in the door to steal all the youth from the area. They need to survive for Rugby League!

All good to say get rid of them but they are needed for the game, Souths and Cronulla are not!

If they were to fold rather suddenly, hopefully their skipper would want to play for the tigers.

The league media has pumped up this whole us against them mentality with the AFL, AFL will ever take over in the west of SYdney, but there is plenty of room for both. There is over 10,000 kids playing each of Soccer, Netball and League in Penrith, there is room for another code.

League is my favourite game, but I love all sports, and am happy that the AFL is putting money into the west and giving kids a chance to play another sport. League is not for everyone, so the more options kids have the better for me.

I reckon we can learn some things from the AFL and should try to do, they do alot right.

 

[happy_tiger]

14 teams ,home and away games and a top 5 semi finals and Happy would would be in Nirvana

not a bad option - but it would mean cutting 4 teams not 2 - because realistically as a business enterprise the NRL needs to expand - so which 4 teams would you cut and which 2 would you bring in - or are more mergers on the cards

Probably a combination of a few things DP I Think the Sharks to WA is a really good fit if we are going to relocate a side

Another team in the Brisbane region whether it be Ipswich , Brisbane or even the Sunshine Coast \North Brisbane side

Penrith to amalgamate with Parra makes sense to me probably not to either fan base but Penrith are in pretty serious trouble

Expansion in some areas is plausible but if we could sucessfully relocate some sides from Sydney that would be a better option imho Maybe even Manly to NZ :smiling_imp:

Couldn't agree with any of this.

I think that there is no way we will go back to 14 teams. The game needs more games not less, we should be expanding revenue sources not reducing them.

I think the game needs 2 brisbane teams, a second NZ team and Id like to see the sharks relocated to Perth or somewhere else and maybe Manly to central coast at least part time.

Penrith and Parramatta definitely should not merge. Both towns already provide huge junior bases and are growing cities that have expanding revenue sources.

There is enough talent to run 18 teams, once we have 18 squads training fulltime, would take no time. There is plenty of blokes running around outside of the NRL that if bought into a fulltime squad would be good NRL players.

We need to expand our television markets, one of the reasons the AFL has always got a bigger deal is because they can sell adds in more markets.

In response to the original post, I like it in theory, but in practice it would not work. An appeal for sponsors of teams and television advertisers is the national (well alost national) coverage, having an all Sydney comp will reduce this dramatically. It will also alienate interstate fans and effectively takes the Sydney part of it back to the old NSWRL days, we have advanced from there.
The outer sydney comp will have different issues, they will often rate poorly in Sydney, the biggest league market (and revenue source) , non traditional league areas are likely to be propped up by sydney to an extent now, this will not happen if they are in different comps

Goose I realize that we won't go back to 14 teams top 5 semis and full home and away but that is what I would be happy with

Expansion will lessen the quality of games played as having to spread the talent we have plus even inclusion of the ESL players returning won't really help that issue

 

[Properossi]

I agree with Happy, Expansion will lower the quality of the NRL Product

 

[slacko]

I disagree with the not enough talent for more teams argument,

it has taken a while but new zealand is producing more then enough depth for themselves.

Each team has their salary cap, extra teams will mean more money available.
Eg 10 teams with a $1 mil salary cap is $10 mil, 12 teams $12 mil. Simple.
This keeps older nrl players in Australia and not in England. There is more then enough Australian players in England for 2 more teams, plus some juniors, easy.
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[Cultured_Bogan]

Increased salary cap will attract some of the English talent which will improve the overall standard of English Rugby League as well.

 

[diedpretty]

14 teams ,home and away games and a top 5 semi finals and Happy would would be in Nirvana

not a bad option - but it would mean cutting 4 teams not 2 - because realistically as a business enterprise the NRL needs to expand - so which 4 teams would you cut and which 2 would you bring in - or are more mergers on the cards

Probably a combination of a few things DP I Think the Sharks to WA is a really good fit if we are going to relocate a side

Another team in the Brisbane region whether it be Ipswich , Brisbane or even the Sunshine Coast \North Brisbane side

Penrith to amalgamate with Parra makes sense to me probably not to either fan base but Penrith are in pretty serious trouble

Expansion in some areas is plausible but if we could sucessfully relocate some sides from Sydney that would be a better option imho Maybe even Manly to NZ :smiling_imp:

Couldn't agree with any of this.

I think that there is no way we will go back to 14 teams. The game needs more games not less, we should be expanding revenue sources not reducing them.

I think the game needs 2 brisbane teams, a second NZ team and Id like to see the sharks relocated to Perth or somewhere else and maybe Manly to central coast at least part time.

Penrith and Parramatta definitely should not merge. Both towns already provide huge junior bases and are growing cities that have expanding revenue sources.

There is enough talent to run 18 teams, once we have 18 squads training fulltime, would take no time. There is plenty of blokes running around outside of the NRL that if bought into a fulltime squad would be good NRL players.

We need to expand our television markets, one of the reasons the AFL has always got a bigger deal is because they can sell adds in more markets.

In response to the original post, I like it in theory, but in practice it would not work. An appeal for sponsors of teams and television advertisers is the national (well alost national) coverage, having an all Sydney comp will reduce this dramatically. It will also alienate interstate fans and effectively takes the Sydney part of it back to the old NSWRL days, we have advanced from there.
The outer sydney comp will have different issues, they will often rate poorly in Sydney, the biggest league market (and revenue source) , non traditional league areas are likely to be propped up by sydney to an extent now, this will not happen if they are in different comps

Your probably right about the problems of just having a sydney conference - i still think the idea of 18 teams split in to 2 conferences is a better option than what we currently have - you could have conference A and conference B - conf A containing 4 sydney teams, 4 out of sydney and 1 new expansion team - conf B 5 sydney teams, 3 out of sydney and 1 new expansion team - you would still get a home and away system with every team playing each other, additional game each week for TV, less travel for out of sydney teams and still have sydney blockbuster matches.

 

[diedpretty]

How is the current draw worked out? - we obviously play some teams twice in a home and away setup and other teams only once. As far as i know the teams we play changes from year to year? I suppose having 2 conferences of 9 teams is similar to what already exists except you would know every year who you were playing in the home and awya setup and where you were going to play the sides that you meet only once a year.

 

[happy_tiger]

The other issue is salaries will become overinflated once again if we increase the amount of teams in the competition

That is a bad thing imo

If we want to see fringe first graders getting 200 k a season again well lets just go ahead with it

 

[joebob]

How is the current draw worked out?

I'm pretty sure it is as simple as the finishing order from the previous year is split into 2, so teams 1, 3, 5, etc are in pool A and teams 2, 4, 6, etc are in Pool B. You play everyone once, and teams from your same pool twice.

While last years finishing order is not a true indication of how a team will perform in the new year, it does suggest that finishing lower in the ladder will result in you playing more better (i.e. higher finishing teams) teams than what the better teams will. Does that comment make sense??

 

[steve-o]

my understanding was that each clubs lists the other teams 1-15 in preference of who they want to play twice (ie the teams they want a guaranteed home game against) and then the nrl tries to please everyone as best as possible

 

[tigerbenji]

I think stevo is correct the teams list there preferences in 1-15 as to who they want to play twice.