Robbie's gonna have to be near perfect...

[happy_tiger]

You all keep missing the point as to why Robbie doesn't get picked.
Robbies style of football or should i say the Wests Tigers style of football is created around Robbie Farah.

If Robbie gets the no 9 blue jumper you'll have to get the team to play Tigers style of footy and i don't think that wins many SOO matches, or get Robbie to adapt to the style of footy the Blues want to play which doesn't suit Robbie and probably takes away a lot of his creativeness which is the thing that makes him a great player.
So basically you have to get a hooker that is kinda like Farah but without the creative flair so he can FIT IN with the style of game the Blues coach wants to play.

You cant just grab the best individuals and stick them together and expect results, players have to be comfortable with each others style of play especially halves, they have to complement each other.

Tigers can play many styles as we saw last year . Which style do you think Robbie or Tigers can't play ???And if you mean Tigers where we attack from anywhere how can you say it won't work if it hasn't been tried ???

 

[Demps]

lol….Gasnier and Cooper will be the NSW centres....or Jamie Lyon if he wants to play this year... :unamused:

Robbie might get a shot game 3 after Ennis and Dean Young fail miserably...

If thats actually what happens, wow… another loss to NSW.
Gasnier is a wash up & Cooper is average and doesn't offer much impact. (In my opinion, don't wanna upset anyone)

There is some decent lines up being named in this thread, I believe (won't happen of course) there is a few players NSW need to avoid completely, such as Jamie Lyon, Greg Bird, Michael Weyman, Paul Gallen & Kurt Gidley. They've had their opportunity and fell short every time. Built for origin or not, seems like they are built for losing.

This is what I'd like to see no matter how far off point it may be.
1) DUGAN - One of the best fullbacks in the comp at the moment, so creative.
2) UATE - He's brilliant, top 5 wingers in the game
3) IDRIS - Marks up against Inglis rly well, as we saw last week made him look infantile
4) LAWRENCE - Rly strong in both attack & defense
5) HAYNE - Has played wing before and is too good not to have part of the team.
6) CARNEY - Don't like him but he's an excellent 5/8
7) MULLEN - Solid player, I think he's better than Pearce and his kicking has been so on point lately.
8) SNOWDEN - Gun prop, would be contribute a lot to the team.
9) FARAH - The best option, plays a different game to Cameron Smith but both amazing hookers.
10) LEAROYD-LAHRS - Another amazing prop, real strong and imposing.
11) WATMOUGH - What a unit, makes the big runs and gets results.
12) HEININGTON - About time he gets a crack, does all the dirty work and goes hard.
13) LEWIS - Could slot in @ lock and change with Heino and Watmough when needed. These 3 are a hard working back row.

14) MANNAH - Solid defender and a hard runner, too good to miss out.
15) AYSHFORD - Perfect utility player.. Gidley wht pfft...
16) MINICHELLO - Solid player, would do well I believe
17) GALLOWAY - Another beast who does all the dirty work and gets the job done.

Not a bad side but as much as i don't like them you have to have Bird and Gallen in there, oh and your bench is really ordinary.

Haha yeah mate, I tried to pick a team without the players I mentioned not wanting in the team.
So it's not exactly perfect but I'm feeling it is a strong team.
Ayshford is the perfect utility, has it all over Gids.
Can pretty much slot in anywhere.

 

[Goose]

You all keep missing the point as to why Robbie doesn't get picked.
Robbies style of football or should i say the Wests Tigers style of football is created around Robbie Farah.

If Robbie gets the no 9 blue jumper you'll have to get the team to play Tigers style of footy and i don't think that wins many SOO matches, or get Robbie to adapt to the style of footy the Blues want to play which doesn't suit Robbie and probably takes away a lot of his creativeness which is the thing that makes him a great player.
So basically you have to get a hooker that is kinda like Farah but without the creative flair so he can FIT IN with the style of game the Blues coach wants to play.

You cant just grab the best individuals and stick them together and expect results, players have to be comfortable with each others style of play especially halves, they have to complement each other.

this crap is in line with the "built for origin" crap we here about players.

From what I can see being built for origin means giving away alot of penalties. Gallen, Ennis, O'donnell, bird etc

Having skill does not prevent Robbie from playing a more conservative game structure, Im sure he can remember all the sequences as well as Ennis and stick to them if need be, but also add the addition of skill as well.

The Tigers frame their attack around benji and RObbie cause they have them, and that best suits the team. Im sure if Sheens had a different structure, Robbie could match that as well, but of course we dont, cause we want the ball in the hands of our best playmakers when the money play is thrown.

Im scared ricky is going to go with the out muscle them technique he used so "successfully" at cronulla, and our side will include Young at hooker, Bird at 5/8, Scott in the centres with Cooper and Watmough and Gallen in the back row with some other skillless thug,attempting to break the record for most ever penalties conceded in origin.

I also think we have been picking big forwards that are too slow to play the ball, Keith fits that bill unfortunately

 

[Danos]

Still a long way til' Origin. The only positions sewn up in my mind are;

2\. Brett Morris

12\. Paul Gallen
13\. Shaun Fensom

14\. John Morris
15\. Richard Fa'aoso

The rest are up for grabs :wink:

Not sure about Fussies' availability.. born in QLD, repped NSW as a junior, played for Tonga last year. He'd be dynamite off the bench though.

 

[MacDougall]

I don't get that post. Gallen and Morris are certainties but the others definitely aren't. Strange post.

 

[Danos]

I don't get that post. Gallen and Morris are certainties but the others definitely aren't. Strange post.

Eh. Everybodies entitled to their own opinion. Key word underlined. :smiley:

 

[clontarfkid]

Subject to injuries,Tigers probably wont get anyone in SOO as our very best players(Benji/Ellis) are the very best of those representing other countries.
Idris(an unquestionable talent) & Lyons/Gasnier(experience to balance) will edge out Lawrence in the centres.
Gallen has a mortgage on no13 slot(& ritefully so)
Farah isnt fully fit & unfortunately it's transparent so he cant show his best,which he needs to after his SOO debut.
If we were to keep winning,theres a possibility Galloway mite get a run with Weyman now gone(who is totally over-rated btw),but more likely a bench slot behind Snowden & Leyrood Lars who are both more physical & aggressive
This will dampen some personal expectations,but means we keep our team intact & fresh

 

[redemption]

Subject to injuries,Tigers probably wont get anyone in SOO as our very best players(Benji/Ellis) are the very best of those representing other countries.
Idris(an unquestionable talent) & Lyons/Gasnier(experience to balance) will edge out Lawrence in the centres.
Gallen has a mortgage on no13 slot(& ritefully so)
Farah isnt fully fit & unfortunately it's transparent so he cant show his best,which he needs to after his SOO debut.
If we were to keep winning,theres a possibility Galloway mite get a run with Weyman now gone(who is totally over-rated btw),but more likely a bench slot behind Snowden & Leyrood Lars who are both more physical & aggressive
This will dampen some personal expectations,but means we keep our team intact & fresh

Doesn't dampen my expectations that remain low with Stuart & Young back involved!

But to suggest that Ennis doesn't have far more to redeem himself for than Farah is ridiculous!! The bloke started a blue & ran behind his prop - giving away a penalty in possession 20 metres out - when in front on the scoreboard- only to give Qld a clean sweep!!!

Farah was never close to that bad - despite that one shocking pass!!!

Talent & ability will not keep him out - intrinsic bias will!!!

 

[clontarfkid]

Stuart as coach is astonishing as firstly he's made it very clear that he'll pull the pin on his 3 yr contract if he gets a club gig(which pays more),& curiously that he's unlikely to get a club gig because of his past results ie no-one wants him!!
So he becomes " accidental "SOO coach by default..work that out!
I dont like Ennis ,but he is is if nothing else, predictable-he's solid/steady etc ,& he keeps delivering at that level week in week out .What u see is what u get…a competitor
Id rate Farah way over Ennis for talent,but as we saw in round one he doesnt have the consistency week in week out,plus at SOO level errors (which happen when u take risks)can cost a match as points can be hard to come by
Thats where Cameron Smith is way ahead of both of them in that he has both talent & consistency,is a good leader, & happens to kick goals as well

 

[Bazzinator]

IMO there are a few certainties out of the 17 barring injury of course

1\. Hayne
2\. Uate
3\. ????
4\. ????
5\. B Morris
6\. Carney
7\. Pearce

8\. Weyman
9\. ????
10\. Snowden
11\. Lewis
12\. Gallen
13\. Bird

14\. Gidley
15\. Leoroyd Lahrs
16\. ????
17\. ????

That leaves only 5 positions.

the two centres should be between Lawrence, Idris and Jennings but will probably see the likes of Lyon, Gasnier, Cooper, Scott maybe Josh Morris if available

The hooker should be farah but ennis and young seem to be the ones that stuart could go for

the bench will leave a prop and a backrower. Contenders would be Galloway, Douglas, Tolman, Mannah even King, Hunt and White could come into contention thats for one spot.

the other could be between heighnington, watmough, laffranchi, tupou (stuart loves him), houston, creagh and minichiello

really doesnt leave many spots up for grabs

 

[happy_tiger]

Subject to injuries,Tigers probably wont get anyone in SOO as our very best players(Benji/Ellis) are the very best of those representing other countries.
Idris(an unquestionable talent) & Lyons/Gasnier(experience to balance) will edge out Lawrence in the centres.
Gallen has a mortgage on no13 slot(& ritefully so)
Farah isnt fully fit & unfortunately it's transparent so he cant show his best,which he needs to after his SOO debut.
If we were to keep winning,theres a possibility Galloway mite get a run with Weyman now gone(who is totally over-rated btw),but more likely a bench slot behind Snowden & Leyrood Lars who are both more physical & aggressive
This will dampen some personal expectations,but means we keep our team intact & fresh

Again Clontarf kid what about Lote ????

 

[clontarfkid]

Subject to injuries,Tigers probably wont get anyone in SOO as our very best players(Benji/Ellis) are the very best of those representing other countries.
Idris(an unquestionable talent) & Lyons/Gasnier(experience to balance) will edge out Lawrence in the centres.
Gallen has a mortgage on no13 slot(& ritefully so)
Farah isnt fully fit & unfortunately it's transparent so he cant show his best,which he needs to after his SOO debut.
If we were to keep winning,theres a possibility Galloway mite get a run with Weyman now gone(who is totally over-rated btw),but more likely a bench slot behind Snowden & Leyrood Lars who are both more physical & aggressive
This will dampen some personal expectations,but means we keep our team intact & fresh

Again Clontarf kid what about Lote ????

Was thinking NSW-Lotes a good chance with Folau gone

 

[Demps]

IMO there are a few certainties out of the 17 barring injury of course

1\. Hayne
2\. Uate
3\. ????
4\. ????
5\. B Morris
6\. Carney
7\. Pearce

8\. Weyman
9\. ????
10\. Snowden
11\. Lewis
12\. Gallen
13\. Bird

14\. Gidley
15\. Leoroyd Lahrs
16\. ????
17\. ????

That leaves only 5 positions.

the two centres should be between Lawrence, Idris and Jennings but will probably see the likes of Lyon, Gasnier, Cooper, Scott maybe Josh Morris if available

The hooker should be farah but ennis and young seem to be the ones that stuart could go for

the bench will leave a prop and a backrower. Contenders would be Galloway, Douglas, Tolman, Mannah even King, Hunt and White could come into contention thats for one spot.

the other could be between heighnington, watmough, laffranchi, tupou (stuart loves him), houston, creagh and minichiello

really doesnt leave many spots up for grabs

Unfortunate but true.
I think out of the names you mentioned for the bench it'll be between Mannah or White & Watmough or Creagh.
IMO, Watmough > Creagh, he's soft.

 

[Goose]

Stuart as coach is astonishing as firstly he's made it very clear that he'll pull the pin on his 3 yr contract if he gets a club gig(which pays more),& curiously that he's unlikely to get a club gig because of his past results ie no-one wants him!!
So he becomes " accidental "SOO coach by default..work that out!
I dont like Ennis ,but he is is if nothing else, predictable-he's solid/steady etc ,& he keeps delivering at that level week in week out .What u see is what u get…a competitor
Id rate Farah way over Ennis for talent,but as we saw in round one he doesnt have the consistency week in week out,plus at SOO level errors (which happen when u take risks)can cost a match as points can be hard to come by
Thats where Cameron Smith is way ahead of both of them in that he has both talent & consistency,is a good leader, & happens to kick goals as well

In round 1, Robbie was far from his best and played at the level Ennis play consistently at every week….. So we dont want to pick a player cause he may play better than the level you expect 😕
Robbie at his worse is the same as Ennis at his best, solid defensively and smart at dummy half, which he was in round 1, but on top of that alot weeks he will also lay on a try or 2 get a few repeat sets from dummy half kicks and even make the occaisional break with a DH run..... all of which Ennis neve does.

Ennis is only an average player, Farah is classy.

I think Smith and N Friend are in the same class as Robbie (Smith many will argue better) but Ennis is no where near it, I just dont get why it is even a competition....

People have been talking Idris up delux, he still does alot wrong in defence and the amount of times he kills the 2 on 1 with that run back inside is way too often.
I actually think if he came in 1 as a wide running second rower he would be dynamite, and believe he was when he played that role.

 

[happy_tiger]

Stuart as coach is astonishing as firstly he's made it very clear that he'll pull the pin on his 3 yr contract if he gets a club gig(which pays more),& curiously that he's unlikely to get a club gig because of his past results ie no-one wants him!!
So he becomes " accidental "SOO coach by default..work that out!
I dont like Ennis ,but he is is if nothing else, predictable-he's solid/steady etc ,& he keeps delivering at that level week in week out .What u see is what u get…a competitor
Id rate Farah way over Ennis for talent,but as we saw in round one he doesnt have the consistency week in week out,plus at SOO level errors (which happen when u take risks)can cost a match as points can be hard to come by
Thats where Cameron Smith is way ahead of both of them in that he has both talent & consistency,is a good leader, & happens to kick goals as well

In round 1, Robbie was far from his best and played at the level Ennis play consistently at every week….. So we dont want to pick a player cause he may play better than the level you expect 😕
Robbie at his worse is the same as Ennis at his best, solid defensively and smart at dummy half, which he was in round 1, but on top of that alot weeks he will also lay on a try or 2 get a few repeat sets from dummy half kicks and even make the occaisional break with a DH run..... all of which Ennis neve does.

Ennis is only an average player, Farah is classy.

I think Smith and N Friend are in the same class as Robbie (Smith many will argue better) but Ennis is no where near it, I just dont get why it is even a competition....

People have been talking Idris up delux, he still does alot wrong in defence and the amount of times he kills the 2 on 1 with that run back inside is way too often.
I actually think if he came in 1 as a wide running second rower he would be dynamite, and believe he was when he played that role.

Idris is a good match up for Inglis I think Lawrence on Hodges same You are not going to beat QLD in 6 or 7 so you got to win the players outside defensively and in attack

 

[Goose]

well he was on Sunday I guess, but the 3 real bad reads against us, 1 for a try, where he comes in stick in my mind I can just see the QLD backline tearing him apart if he does so against them.

Im undecided on right centre to be honest, Idris, Jennings (who plays both) Gasnier all have claims, but none seem to be knocking the door down, I cant believe Im going to say this but I wish SKD was from NSW….I bagged his refusal to pass for a year and a half, now i'd love him in the sky blue