Salary Cap issues

[happy_tiger]

I have a question "if looking at all the squads in the NRL which three would you think might be over the salary cap"

My three are the Bulldogs ,Roosters and unfortunately the Wests Tigers

I keep looking at the strength of our squad and keep crossing my fingers and toes that we aren't over but I'm not 100% convinced

Does anyone else feel the same way ??

 

[Tiger_Watto]

No… Humpty got a clip across the ear in his first year as CEO and I'm sure he was smart enough to go away and workout other ways to get around the interpretations. The Salary Cap is not black and white and unless you are aware of the number of Third Party and Exemptions we are using, it's virtually impossible to work out.

Looking at our squad, I'd say we are spending up to $7M a year on player salaries, and that kind of amount will put most clubs really close, but shouldn't put them over.

One thing is for certain, I hope Humpty is getting as much as possible out of the Cap!

 

[sunshine_coast_tiger]

The salary cap really doesn't exist. Just ask the Broncos. You can have as many independent third party deals as you like. Melbourne could have played their players the same and not have been caught if they had all been done by independent third party deals, problem for Melbourne is that they were related deals to their owners and sponsers, hence why they were found to have breached the salary cap.

I think since Merition has come back we have seen a large increase in non related third party deals at the the Tigers due to having a good marketable rooster and smart management. It would not suprise me if many of our key players are paid mainly in third party money instead of being included under the salary cap. It is a smart way to go and the Broncos showed the way. Bruno Cullen was amazed every club wasn't doing the same.

 

[happy_tiger]

My point is a lot of squads this season look very weak compared to ours this season I know its probably great recruitment etc , I don't know I just have this bad feeling …...

 

[Marshall_magic]

The salary cap really doesn't exist. Just ask the Broncos. You can have as many independent third party deals as you like. Melbourne could have played their players the same and not have been caught if they had all been done by independent third party deals, problem for Melbourne is that they were related deals to their owners and sponsers, hence why they were found to have breached the salary cap.

I think since Merition has come back we have seen a large increase in non related third party deals at the the Tigers due to having a good marketable rooster and smart management. It would not suprise me if many of our key players are paid mainly in third party money instead of being included under the salary cap. It is a smart way to go and the Broncos showed the way. Bruno Cullen was amazed every club wasn't doing the same.

Harry would have a lot of wealthy contacts in the business world, and could have some of them helping the club out. It helps when you have Benji Marshalls and Lote Tuqiris on your roster who are very well known not just in Rugby League households but all households.

Cullen told the players he signed he could set them up with 3rd party deals if they were willing to do so. They rarely lose any players they want to keep.

 

[Kul]

As was previously mentioned, 3rd-party deals help A LOT

it's been reported numerous times that only around a third of Lote's contract falls under the cap.

 

[innsaneink]

We were talkin about this at work today, specifically Chris sandows reported $550k deal….I mentioned a large % would probably be 3rd party related but just what exactly does tha entail?
I was under the impression its someone that didnt sponsor the club helping out whether they recieve independent endorsememnt from the player or they just have deep pockets?
I mean...what could Sandow sell??
"Yeh mate, Inghams chicken Kiev...only from franklins...yeh mate!"

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

We were talkin about this at work today, specifically Chris sandows reported $550k deal….I mentioned a large % would probably be 3rd party related but just what exactly does tha entail?
I was under the impression its someone that didnt sponsor the club helping out whether they recieve independent endorsememnt from the player or they just have deep pockets?
I mean...what could Sandow sell??
"Yeh mate, Inghams chicken Kiev...only from franklins...yeh mate!"

Sandow is closer to $400K Ink :wink:

 

[diedpretty]

Personally i think 3rd party sponsors are a bit of a rort - who in the right mind would sponsor Sandow over Marshall unless thay had ties to Parramatta or their major sponsors which would exclude them from being a sponsor - i don't even see what a 3rd ps gets out of it - can they write it off as a tax deduction ala normal sponsorship? I think the NRL should publish a list of 3rd party sponsors each club has without naming the player they are attached to - this would alleviate fears of supporteres that certain clubs are bullshitting on their distance from 3rd parties.

 

[diedpretty]

Personally i think 3rd party sponsors are a bit of a rort - who in the right mind would sponsor Sandow over Marshall unless thay had ties to Parramatta or their major sponsors which would exclude them from being a sponsor - i don't even see what a 3rd ps gets out of it - can they write it off as a tax deduction ala normal sponsorship? I think the NRL should publish a list of 3rd party sponsors each club has without naming the player they are attached to - this would alleviate fears of supporteres that certain clubs are **s***** on their distance from 3rd parties.

add bull in front of it

 

[Goose]

We were talkin about this at work today, specifically Chris sandows reported $550k deal….I mentioned a large % would probably be 3rd party related but just what exactly does tha entail?
I was under the impression its someone that didnt sponsor the club helping out whether they recieve independent endorsememnt from the player or they just have deep pockets?
I mean...what could Sandow sell??
"Yeh mate, Inghams chicken Kiev...only from franklins...yeh mate!"

Sandow is closer to $400K Ink :wink:

I can confirm he is on significantly more than this, ridiculously,as reported last year, Sandow is one of the top few income earners in the NRL.
I wont reveal my source, but you can take as gospel, I still cant believe it, but the reports were on the money.

To make matters worse it was only the second most ridiculous signing from the eels last year

 

[tiger91]

I remember reading a while back that a third party deal with a group that is not affiliated with the club and is worked out through the player, his manager and the third party, does not come under the cap.

However if the deal is struck for the player though the club and the third party, or is through one of the clubs sponsors, it is included in the cap.

So Parramatta could pay little for Sandow, with the bulk of his contract paid through third party deals set up by his manager with companies not linked to the club.

In saying that, the club can use the major sponsors for incentives for one it two players and it is not included in the cap. Eg the Tigers can let Benji drive around in a Hyundai and it's not included, but for other Tigers players it will be.
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[happy_tiger]

My biggest issue with 3rd party deals is is creating almost two classes in the NRL

Clubs like Brisbane , Warriors Melbourne are one town clubs and are unfairly advantaged by the 3rd party deals (Especially Brisbane ,they have sponsors hanging from the trees wanting to get involved )

We are fortunate as we have a strong base now and good leadership which can bring in unrelated outside sources

But we are creating a competition that are becoming the Haves and the Have nots and that is not a good thing

As a famous MLB owner once said "Do you think fans are going to come and watch the Yankees play the Yankees "

If clubs aren't competitive both on and off the field we will lose fans and clubs and if we end up with a six team comp because the strong clubs destroy the weaker ones due to controlling all the talent it will get rather tedious

 

[Tiger_Watto]

Its a big risk to say no to 3rd party money… They will either take there money somewhere else or we will lose big name players to rival codes.

The whole system needs an overhaul, possibly with an introduction of a Top 50 players funded by the IC?

 

[alex]

Another factor that is often overlooked is the cost of living in different areas of the country. $200,000 would go a lot further in somewhere like Townsville or Brisbane than it would in Sydney, so interstate teams have a slight advantage in that respect and could end up paying their players slightly less than they would need to live and play for a Sydney club.

 

[Marshall_magic]

Its a big risk to say no to 3rd party money… They will either take there money somewhere else or we will lose big name players to rival codes.

The whole system needs an overhaul, possibly with an introduction of a Top 50 players funded by the IC?

You're right, but clubs can use it as a means to outsource player payments so they don't fall under the cap.

 

[Chris]

As far as I know, Ian Schubert went through our books inside out before rubber stamping the Adam Blair deal.

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

My biggest issue with 3rd party deals is is creating almost two classes in the NRL

But we are creating a competition that are becoming the Haves and the Have nots and that is not a good thing

If clubs aren't competitive both on and off the field we will lose fans and clubs and if we end up with a six team comp because the strong clubs destroy the weaker ones due to controlling all the talent it will get rather tedious

I disagree. There are more "haves" than there are "have nots." It is only a small minority who are unable to compete anymore in what is supposed to be a national competition.

It will only get harder for the "have nots" if the game expands to Perth and Queensland as now mentioned in the press. The game will only get stronger if we cut away the dead wood and make the game truly national.