Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[Needaname]

Cowboys gave 700k to Luciano.

Fifita is on 1.2 mill haha.

No 700k for a current rep 2nd row who is both good in attack and defence and will bring leadership and professionalism is a no brainer. If we get him on top of the other two other players will start looking at us as a.destination.

I believe we have already snatched up one of the two current best 2nd rowers in the game, and for unders.
Paps would easily be getting offers of 800k if he waited 6months.
In saying that, Angus has more time in the role and a bit more experience so it’s probably reasonable for his offer to be a bit ‘overs’
Unfortunately in our position it’s not something we can gamble with.
It been proven in many past successful teams that one of the most underrated and dependable positions in a side is the backrowers, to have two very good backrowers either side of your halves is worth the money.

 

[BAGNF05]

I believe we have already snatched up one of the two current best 2nd rowers in the game, and for unders.
Paps would easily be getting offers of 800k if he waited 6months.
In saying that, Angus has more time in the role and a bit more experience so it’s probably reasonable for his offer to be a bit ‘overs’
Unfortunately in our position it’s not something we can gamble with.
It been proven in many past successful teams that one of the most underrated and dependable positions in a side is the backrowers, to have two very good backrowers either side of your halves is worth the money.

Defense on the edges decides most games. Second rowers are underrated.

 

[bathursttiger1]

But, wasn't he a 2nd rawer?

He wasn't anything.

 

[Bones]

Forwards would look better but backline needs two guns minimum to be anywhere near competitive.

I’d say 1. It’s amazing how good average outside backs can look when running off a dominant forward pack and good halves.

 

[swag_tiger]

@THE_POM any truth to the rumours Angus was the one who ask for the meeting?

 

[Curaeus]

I'd love to see Crichton in a WT jersey but wonder why he'd want out of the Roosters. Lots of stars, regular finals football etc. Surely he'd already be on a pretty good wicket money wise.

 

[jirskyr]

Sorry Baga, the evidence suggest otherwise. For a considerable time, we have recived about 10 % of the so called 50/50 calls. It got a bit better for all lower teams when Payten & Holbrook publicly called out the refs. In tight games just one bogus called can decide a match. Good teams do overcome bad calls, by Nick Politus paying Trent Robinsons fines after Roosters only got 90% of the 50 /50 calls instead of the 100%. And what happened in following weeks since ? All the calls go their way once again. Its easy when the ref gives the Rorters , Melbourne & Penrith "offside" piggy back " penalties out of their end, But the same or even worse "offside"play by them doesnt get you piggback penalties. Another fave of the refs is giving those sides "'6 again" peanlties on tackle 5 , but then give the the lower sides "6 agains on tackle 1. And , when they get near the end of the game & start to realise there will be questions asked about the lopsided penalty count, they give 2 or 3 quick penalties to the lower sides so the ledger looks right after they have already cost you the game. I could half believe that some could be on field human error, but when the bunker looks at certain try 50 times to find something wrong , yet doesnt even replay the tops sides tries before awarding them , that is nothing but BS bias.

Unfortunately a significant amount of the bias comes from you / from us as fans. We all see and remember the bad calls against Tigers and start to forget those against other clubs, because we are not emotionally involved.

I am pretty sure there is a provable subconscious bias for home teams, i.e. home teams tend to win the penalty count and win more than 50% of matches. But I think you'd be very hard pressed to prove a bias in either (a) bias towards good vs bad sides, or (b) bias specifically against Wests Tigers.

Even if you analyse penalty counts or scores, it would be as true to say that better teams score more points and force their opponents to concede more penalties, which takes the ref argument out of the equation.

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

I'd love to see Crichton in a WT jersey but wonder why he'd want out of the Roosters. Lots of stars, regular finals football etc. Surely he'd already be on a pretty good wicket money wise.

Based on the consistent reports the Roosters have no money due to B Smith signing. We have plenty of cash and the Madge relationship is key here.

The challenge for us is it means we commit to Madge if we want him.

Its a no brainer though. Stefano, Api, Musgrove, Papa, Angus and Joe is a quality forward pack.

I still think we are a quality prop & 2 impact forwards short to round us out.

 

[sparci]

Based on the consistent reports the Roosters have no money due to B Smith signing. We have plenty of cash and the Madge relationship is key here.

The challenge for us is it means we commit to Madge if we want him.

Its a no brainer though. Stefano, Api, Musgrove, Papa, Angus and Joe is a quality forward pack.

I still think we are a quality prop & 2 impact forwards short to round us out.

I actually think Madge will do a fine job with some decent cattle

 

[Curaeus]

Based on the consistent reports the Roosters have no money due to B Smith signing. We have plenty of cash and the Madge relationship is key here.

The challenge for us is it means we commit to Madge if we want him.

Its a no brainer though. Stefano, Api, Musgrove, Papa, Angus and Joe is a quality forward pack.

I still think we are a quality prop & 2 impact forwards short to round us out.

That makes sense. I'd forgotten about the possible effect on their finances/cap by signing Smith

 

[tony soprano]

Is it fair for a current rep forward? Just asking.

The point they were making you spend that money on spine players not SR, even 100k over can throw out your cap management

 

[tony soprano]

I actually think Madge will do a fine job with some decent cattle

Still think there is better candidates.

Similar to Cronulla situation, I think overall we'd do better with woolf.

 

[tony soprano]

Sounds like people are emotionally invested in a big name Signing.

 

[Mossman]

Sorry Baga, the evidence suggest otherwise. For a considerable time, we have recived about 10 % of the so called 50/50 calls. It got a bit better for all lower teams when Payten & Holbrook publicly called out the refs. In tight games just one bogus called can decide a match. Good teams do overcome bad calls, by Nick Politus paying Trent Robinsons fines after Roosters only got 90% of the 50 /50 calls instead of the 100%. And what happened in following weeks since ? All the calls go their way once again. Its easy when the ref gives the Rorters , Melbourne & Penrith "offside" piggy back " penalties out of their end, But the same or even worse "offside"play by them doesnt get you piggback penalties. Another fave of the refs is giving those sides "'6 again" peanlties on tackle 5 , but then give the the lower sides "6 agains on tackle 1. And , when they get near the end of the game & start to realise there will be questions asked about the lopsided penalty count, they give 2 or 3 quick penalties to the lower sides so the ledger looks right after they have already cost you the game. I could half believe that some could be on field human error, but when the bunker looks at certain try 50 times to find something wrong , yet doesnt even replay the tops sides tries before awarding them , that is nothing but BS bias.

Sooooo true

 

[SeanT]

Sounds like people are emotionally invested in a big name Signing.

Big names.. plural. Haha

 

[Spartan117]

Still think their is better candidates.

Similar to Cronulla situation, I think overall we'd do better with woolf.

Woolfe has best team in a weaker comp.

Nrl success relies on defense and effort.

I dont think he will he successful unless its a top.4 club.

Im sticking with Madge for at least 1 more year

 

[bigsiro]

Sounds like people are emotionally invested in a big name Signing.

100%.
And more people should be.

 

[twentyforty]

100%.
And more people should be.

The club has managed the cap, in preparation for such an event to occur.

 

[tony soprano]

Woolfe has best team in a weaker comp.

Nrl success relies on defense and effort.

I dont think he will he successful unless its a top.4 club.

Im sticking with Madge for at least 1 more year

Did ok with tonga

 

[Champ1]

I don’t disagree with you. There is a bias, I think we feel it most in the policing of the ruck. Only way to overcome it is to get better around the ruck and become a better side.

I hear what you are saying & certainty agree on principle. However I still believe with the reffereeing as it is now even if we were as good or better than the top sides we would still lose those games due to this bias. If we look at a try last week where the winger had his hand on the side of the ball when he grounded it for a try. I have no problem with that, however 2 weeks ago the Tualungi try was disallowed because of that. Not to mention the penalty in the act of scoring & not a penalty try. In those instances, you cant "do better" as you are playing the game by the rules but getting different rulings that what would be afforded other teams. Those rulings are not "mistakes or interpretation", they are deliberate. There are games that we lose because we are out played & I have no problem with that as the boys are really having a dig this year. Its the games where they are trying their guts out & had we got even a just 50 % of the 50/50 calls we would have won. As you righty say, we need improvements but we also need our fair share of the calls to win those other games, & i dont see that happening until Madge publicly calls them out .Put your hand in your pocket Pascoe & spring for the fine.