Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[jirskyr]

Not the answer you are looking for- but you might find it interesting:

If play the ball speed means something but mostly nothing, what is a better metric? - The Rugby League Eye Test

Play the ball speed and “tunnel ball” has been in the NRL news cycle over the past week, on the back of a story by Adam Pengilly in THIS MASTHEAD the Sydney Morning Herald. In this article, Pengilly noted that as the Panthers ran down Parramatta during the final minutes of their game in Round...

www.rugbyleagueeyetest.com

The last bit- tries scored after play of the balls....Luia & Royce Hunt rate high

I read that when it was sent out on his mailing list. I am unconvinced with the general argument that fast PTBs aren't correlated to better outcomes; I don't think he looked at enough outcomes for example a PTB impact on an entire set.

But actually it's not just PTB speed for me, but the speed of the overall ruck and the number of defenders who must be committed to stop the player. I find Klemmer to be slow, he appears to be easy to pick off by tacklers and it takes a while for him to hit the deck and PTB, even if he does struggle for some extra PCM. I may be wrong, that's just my overall impression that Klemmer can slow the play, compared with someone like Pole.

 

[Droppy05]

Well at least with Broncos we will have some more data to see if Madge really can coach or not. Successful at Wigan, great success and failure at Rabbits, mostly failing at Tigers, pretty decent results with Kiwis and NSW... another set of data will help.

If Madge does well at Broncos it really does paint Tigers in a bad light, the only place that was so far gone that he couldn't get a result.

No question he can coach. Has won premiership in NRL, in UK, SOO and Beat Aust. 30-0.
The real question is , can Benji coach? or do we need another spoon to convince all his believers that his appointment has been the greatest coaching mistake at this club. It will cost us more talented juniors. They can't handle defeat after defeat.

 

[The Chad]

I read that when it was sent out on his mailing list. I am unconvinced with the general argument that fast PTBs aren't correlated to better outcomes; I don't think he looked at enough outcomes for example a PTB impact on an entire set.

But actually it's not just PTB speed for me, but the speed of the overall ruck and the number of defenders who must be committed to stop the player. I find Klemmer to be slow, he appears to be easy to pick off by tacklers and it takes a while for him to hit the deck and PTB, even if he does struggle for some extra PCM. I may be wrong, that's just my overall impression that Klemmer can slow the play, compared with someone like Pole.

What I took out of it is- we are 3rd worst at slowing down the play of the ball- which means committing too many tacklers...opening up holes elsewhere...not getting set quick enough...

I still think our defence is the biggest issue. Too much attraction to explosive running plays, not enough consideration given to our inability to stop the momentum.

 

[Tom Shines]

I was told he wanted to leave 2 years ago.

i will go with what the player says himself rather than what someone in the pub tells you..

2 years ago he was rehabbing from an ACL injury and signed at the WT through to the end of 2024 so makes zero sense for him to say he wants to leave then

 

[crazycat]

I think you are disregarding the fact that he coached here last year as well and had 2 pre seasons leading into this spoon.

right on.

Ill also add Easts made it to the semi's without their regular halfback.

We have had some injuries, and a lot of excuses.

 

[boonboon]

Has anyone heard Toby Rudolph.
A mate who is a sharks supporter has told me apparently Rudolph will be here in 25.
I'm guessing if true we still have not freed up the roster spots. Hopefully some news at the presentation night next week

I thought this was happening when he swapped managers just before the finals - as Richo wouldn't want to negotiate through his son for that one

 

[Magpies1969]

If Bateman comes back, let's hope not, then he needs to participate in a full pre season or f**k off. 100% commitment needed by all players.

 

[weststigerman]

Well at least with Broncos we will have some more data to see if Madge really can coach or not. Successful at Wigan, great success and failure at Rabbits, mostly failing at Tigers, pretty decent results with Kiwis and NSW... another set of data will help.

If Madge does well at Broncos it really does paint Tigers in a bad light, the only place that was so far gone that he couldn't get a result.

I think you’re right. I do think if he does well again the Madge haters will just say he had an elite roster despite that same roster running 12th this year.

I didn’t think he’d come back here but he’s another good coach off the table should Benji continue to struggle next year.

 

[rex2ce]

Think Sheens wanted Bateman which left Blore hanging a bit and then we got Olam Storm got Blore. We finished with the spoon he's in a GF.
Edit think there was also a debate around Blore wanting to play an edge and we wanted him as a middle iirc.

Think there was a debate about Blore playing at all , he managed 30 or so games in 4 seasons with us iirc

 

[batboy]

You ALSO called them low impact- just pointing out that statistically, that Klemmer in the least has as much impact in most catagories as the guy nearly to a man on this board is suggested as our saviour.

But- if you want a team that Twal, Klemmer & Seyfarth could in theory put enough numbers together to crack the top 17..

SOO Forward (Starter)
24 Games
4 tackle breaks
501 PCM
3 offloads
94.9% tackle efficiency
72 run metres per game

Bench Forward (Highly wanted on this message board)
23 games
36 tackle breaks
635 PCM
4 offloads
96.3% tackle efficiency
80 run metres per game

Starting Prop
22 games
17 tackle breaks
873.1 PCM
0 Offloads
95.7% tackle efficiency
102 run metres per game

Bench Prop
9 games
16 tackle breaks
328.5 PCM
3 offloads
89.8% tackle efficiency
101 run metres per game

Bench Middle
22 games
23 tackle breaks
735.9 PCM
12 offloads
88.9% tackle efficiency
112 run metres per game

Bench backrower
21 games
34 tackle breaks
635 PCM
3 offloads
86.8% tackle efficiency
81 run metres per game

I give you- Manly
Jake T
Ethan Bullemoor
Joah Aliaoi
Matt Lodge
Nathan Brown
Ben T

For comparison-
Twal
18 Games
28 tackle breaks
565 PCM
6 offloads
97.2% tackle efficiency
80 run metres per game

Seyfarth
23 games
21 tackle breaks
701.8 PCM
16 offloads
94.5% tackle efficiency
75 run metres per game

I'd say our 1 dimensional low impact plodders at the very least hold up to the forwards that finals playing Manly put on the field.

Before you rant that neither Klemmer, Twal or Seyfarth are exceedingly better than these Manly forwards- my point is they are not worse either.

I could have given the Storm numbers, Dolphins numbers...even the Sharks to a degree. Canterbury.

Klemmer, Twal & Seyfarth are not the problem. In fact, in a poor overall defensive team, it can be argued all 3 need to be on the field more.

Our issue (IMO) is that we have started our sets of six too far in our territory for any of our forwards to ever exceed in impact plays. Our return on metres from tackles 1 & 2, from our outside backs, are some of the worst numbers in the NRL. Hopefully Turuva & Skelton can help with that.

We have all the impact we need from Pole, Hunt & Sione Fainu.

Do you actually watch (And understand) Rugby League....
None of the 3 Tigers players had as good a season as Nathan Brown.
Where's your stats for Leg Speed and and I actual Impact on the Defence...
You'd be doing well to argue the other 2 as well - Although i see you've given it a red hot go with lots of letters and numbers.

Leave you to it man, You've got absolutely no idea....
How is your pursuit of Hymel Hunt going?
How do his Lower Grade Stats compare against the Premier Wingers in the Comp?

 

[diedpretty]

My guess is that there will be some players who are still dirty Kev got the bullet, I am praying for a train wreck, not sure Walsh, Haas, Cobbo, and the likes will buy what Madge is selling.
Then you factor in the Queensland verse NSW rivalry, it could be great viewing from the outside, tales of Bronco town

And now reports that Alfie is about to walk out over Kevvies dismissal. Half the players won't know where they are supposed to stand without Alfie there.

 

[diedpretty]

All this talk of Blore misses one point. He does an entirely different job at Melbourne than what we needed him to do at WT. At Melbourne he is their main decoy runner on the left. Occasionally Munster will use him to hit the line and draw defenders away from the next play. He rarely makes a line break. He does far more defense as first or second man in the tackle. At WT we needed him to be the explosive wide runner that we lack. We needed him to be breaking the line and setting up the outside players. It never really happened.
I really like Blore and with 2 ball players in the halves next year he may have become the explosive runner that we need, guess we will never know.

 

[Telltails]

No better example of old boys influence in a club than the Broncos. Id say their are plenty not happy about Maguire being give the keys, and the rockstar element of the playing group will need to buy in or things could get murky very quickly. They need the change but not sure if they are prepared to adopt it.

 

[HabboTiger]

All this talk of Blore misses one point. He does an entirely different job at Melbourne than what we needed him to do at WT. At Melbourne he is their main decoy runner on the left. Occasionally Munster will use him to hit the line and draw defenders away from the next play. He rarely makes a line break. He does far more defense as first or second man in the tackle. At WT we needed him to be the explosive wide runner that we lack. We needed him to be breaking the line and setting up the outside players. It never really happened.
I really like Blore and with 2 ball players in the halves next year he may have become the explosive runner that we need, guess we will never know.

Very limited role

 

[BlackWhiteGold]

'Alleged leak' creates 'ill feeling' between rival clubs

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[hank37w]

Late to the convo , but yes klemmer is good for yardage but the problem is they are slow . He fights for those extra PCM and the defensive line is generally set , he generally has slow ptb

Also his general demeanour during a game would be off putting he gets angry and frustrated which I think effects everyone else

I get angry and frustrated when I watch the Wests Tigers play.

I hope that hasn't affected the players and been the reason they have been shit all these years.

 

[The-moP]

Similar to mine, I’ll probably put Sione (if re-signed) over miller and faatape I’m on the fence about, but hopefully Montoya sorts that out for us

I haven't seen or heard any of this Montoya info about him being linked with us .. except from in here .. ?? Have i missed something .. ??

 

[Go_You_Good_Things]

No one , by the looks of things , there’s only two teams left and I doubt we are getting any players from them . So if we go into next season with this new gun backline and a crap pack of forwards , guess where we will end up ?????

. . . . apart of course, from the 2 we already have ?

 

[jrtiger]

I haven't seen or heard any of this Montoya info about him being linked with us .. except from in here .. ?? Have i missed something .. ??

Warriors winger Marcelo Montoya is the latest name to be linked to the Tigers as the club continues to revamp its roster following a third straight wooden spoon.

It is understood that the Tigers have spoken with Montoya about a possible switch to the club as early as next season. This comes despite Montoya still having a year left on his contract with the Warriors.

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/jack-bird-joins-benji-marshall-at-wests-tigers-nrl-market-watch/news-story/4d31fa3a7604c11174aa5b8f5213cb08

 

[jadtiger]

No better example of old boys influence in a club than the Broncos. Id say their are plenty not happy about Maguire being give the keys, and the rockstar element of the playing group will need to buy in or things could get murky very quickly. They need the change but not sure if they are prepared to adopt it.

To be honest i hope that the donkeys hate Madge coming to the club because if they buy into his ideas 100% they will become a far stronger club and become the powerhouse that everyone will fear.I hope that the players hate him and the management of the club fight him from the begining,the more animosity the better for the rest of us.We don't need the donkeys performing consistently like the storm the riff or even the rorters.