hank37w
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By having politicians, law enforcement and magistrates that aren't on the take.
Best of luck.
Spending a day in prison to scare them off a life of crime
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Best of luck.
Plenty of ex army blokes end up in prison.
weststigers
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You've done well to super simplify the issue to being in the army.
Could there be a correlation to war experience? To being institutionalised for many years and not knowing how to integrate back into society?
A few months of disciplinary training ain't turning anyone into a criminal my man.
upthetigers
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A lot of soldiers on the frontline have PTSD.
weststigers
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Yeah that's correct...what's that got to do with my point?
upthetigers
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Failing to integrate back into society. Mental health issues make it difficult doing so.
weststigers
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Your post was about taking an excursion to prisons so the youth are scared to commit crime.
I said military discipline would be more effective.
I never said to send kids to war.
Read all my posts in this thread and it will provide context.
upthetigers
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I wasn't talking about my original point, I was agreeing with your point about failing to integrate back into society.
For those it works for, it works well.
Start forcing it on people. It's the worst thing you can do.
Sure, not all will end up like Full metal Jacket. But many will go a bit weird in strange violent ways.
weststigers
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Only if you send people to war.
I'm suggesting 1 or 2 months military discipline. Think boot camp.
You are describing people with mental health issues from years of seeing combat. It really is totally different.
Boot camp can do it too.
Look it's different. Boot camp works wonders for those that need to push themselves. Think Dork in classroom who has never tested themselves physically. If they want it and set their sites, it can be done.
They volunteer, even if they volunteer to get 6 months off prison, it can work.
however:
I read a biography on Ivan Milat and the Milat family. Basically the entire family was forced to harvest vegetables and do hard labour, (not a boot camp, but like it). Later they worked in road maintenance and one supervisor said "you could survive with half your workers if you had 3 Milat's on your team". Some times that extreme work environment can bring out the worst in psychopaths (literally no conscience).
I say that because some people will go full bully if given the right environment. Boot camp is exactly that environment. When they get broken down they will break people down harder.
I've worked with ex-defence men and women with mental health issue as well as kids who have been in juvenile detention.
My comment is part tongue in cheek, but the truth is that very disciplined people can end up in prison too.
The reasons that kids end up committing crime and in prison are complex. From what I have seen, it does not have a lot to do with discipline and most are aware of the consequences of their actions.
It starts at home. My wife works in primary schools and every time a kid plays up and mouths off at teachers and are punished, the parents front the school claiming mistreatment and the teacher is told to apologise. It’s a freakin joke and no wonder teachers turn a blind eye. When I went to school, even the bad kids didn’t dare talk back to a teacher, now the kids don’t give a shit.
I’d argue there’s not very many consequences anymore. The new QLD govt are bringing in adult time for adult time, at least that’s the slogan, so will be interesting if it acts as a deterrent to young offenders.
