Taylor & Positive footy

[stevetiger]

I know that there have been a lot of posters stating that we need to defend and that is basically all that matters. I think that has also been Taylor's approach and it has lost us a tonne of games. It's not that you don't have to defend. Everyone gets that defence is important. The point is though that you need to have a good attack. It's harder to get right but it has a bigger impact on the game. When you play positive footy you make it easier to play good defence.

I think today's game shows how stupid Taylors tactics in the past have been. We had a dud season last year due to the stupid defence first and probably only mentality. I think we've lost games this season due to not trying to win games.

If we want to start being a high performing team we need to play like one. We need to go out each week and give it our best shot. That means having a functional offence basically every game. I can accept last week when it was bucketing down but going forward we need to attack and try to win games. If we don't make the 8 we should sack Taylor and get a coach in that understands that winning games is what matters.

 

[Eddie]

Well someone decided after 18 months some offloads and second phase play might be worth a shot.

 

[greatodensraven]

Forwards supporting each other, no 1-out garbage, offload when you can, aggressive line-speed in D, a solid kicking game, halves taking on the line, etc etc.

When the boys play with energy & intent we tend to go alright.

 

[tigerman80]

I know that there have been a lot of posters stating that we need to defend and that is basically all that matters. I think that has also been Taylor's approach and it has lost us a tonne of games. It's not that you don't have to defend. Everyone gets that defence is important. The point is though that you need to have a good attack. It's harder to get right but it has a bigger impact on the game. When you play positive footy you make it easier to play good defence.

I think today's game shows how stupid Taylors tactics in the past have been. We had a dud season last year due to the stupid defence first and probably only mentality. I think we've lost games this season due to not trying to win games.

If we want to start being a high performing team we need to play like one. We need to go out each week and give it our best shot. That means having a functional offence basically every game. I can accept last week when it was bucketing down but going forward we need to attack and try to win games. If we don't make the 8 we should sack Taylor and get a coach in that understands that winning games is what matters.

Summed it up nicely. At the end of the day, if we score 20+ points per game, we will be hard to beat. Our right hand side still has no idea in defence, but if they can score and set up more tries then they let in, then we might win a few more games this year.

 

[supercoach]

Look I do agree with Taylors basic philosophy and that is you have to be able defend and grind out matches. It is what all the good sides do, Cowboys,Melbourne and the Sharks all play the same basic style of football,but you also have to be able to score points .

The Sharks for years could defend and grind better than most, but they just could not score especially a long range try when they had to. Now they have some real skill but still can play the grind. Anyway i would like to think Taylor is starting to get the right mix, but i may just being generous after such a good win

 

[Geo]

Funny stuff..We have played this way pretty much since round 1 this year…Tonight we held the football and scored some spectacular TRIES the biggest plus was that we defended much better especially with the scramble....

 

[stevetiger]

Funny stuff..We have played this way pretty much since round 1 this year…Tonight we held the football and scored some spectacular TRIES the biggest plus was that we defended much better especially with the scramble....

I don't think we have played this way all year at all. We definitely didn't do it for a big chunk of last year.

We need to play positive footy. We will win more games. That should be the goal.

 

[Black_n_White]

I dont know what peoples expectations are of coaches these days… I really dont.

We have seen on here dozens of times, for example, "why are our conversions not high percentage, Taylor was a kicker!" Do people really think that Taylor isnt doing extensive work with them? Do people think that just because a player has made a first grade squad, that 18 months instruction is enough to turn an average kicker into El Masri? Wouldnt you think if it was enough, that every conversion would be a given in the competition across every team...

Same ideology goes for the "Taylor puts forward a defense orientated game plan, so when we try to adopt it we lose often"... It is as if you think that once Taylor lays down the directive that the players as professional first graders get the message, and thus what they produce is a direct reflection on the time and effort put into them by the coaching staff. We have more often than not been show inept versions of what was instructed. The human condition strikes again.

Take that a step further and its as if half of you think Taylor told them that tackles = points...

Taylor hasnt helped us rack up wins I agree, but I do believe he has been setting up systems which we are now receiving the dividends of. He simplified the game to relieve pressure on the halves, which most will agree still hasnt been enough as they are still struggling more often than not. Tried to make defence the cornerstone of our game, yet we leak points as if we hadnt ever seen a tackling bag some weeks...

Taylors football philosophy isnt overly flawed. I understand the baby steps process is annoying, though you would also think that being baby steps, we could master them alot quicker than we seem to have.

05 is gone... you cannot throw it around for success, that was a fluke then, shouldnt have worked but someone was blowing a leprechaun or something. We need a balance.Since inception we have been defence dyslexic, we could see it, but we couldnt read or deal with it. Unfortunately we are now paying for it, and to re-educate defence we had to almost be broken to understand its value.

 

[sideline_eye]

Make no mistake, we won tonight on the back of some great defence. To allow a team like Souths to score only one try in the first half and not turning the ball over at critical times, allowed our attack to flourish. Taylor has, on the evidence tonight, got this team playing some great footy. The inconsistency is frustrating but when you see them play the way that they've been coached, the players have to own that inconsistency. I think Taylor is a good teaching coach, not a motivating coach and if the team plays to his style (which is the way all the top teams play) we will win more games and we'll see more tries scored.

 

[stevied]

There is no question at all that the Tigers should and must play positive football. The team's natural attacking skills via Tedesco, Moses and Brooks and, even, Taylor is plain to see. However, the exuberant and expansive play we saw last night is only possible when it is balanced with strong defense that creates our fair share of opportunities and gives us the right to the throw the ball around. Obviously, a strong platform laid by the forwards is key as well. Last night was the type of balanced performance that we would like to see on a regular basis. If we can play to a similar standard down in Melbourne we will know we are going places.

 

[stevetiger]

I dont know what peoples expectations are of coaches these days… I really dont.

In my opinion it's pretty simple.

1\. To put a good game plan together that allows us to win games consistently.
2\. To get the most out of the players at our disposal.
3\. To pick the best possible team.

If the team fails when those points are done correctly then it's on the players.

I think Taylor has failed at points 1 & 2 predominantly because he has stressed defence so much and it's a stupid way to look at that game. Yes you have to defend but if you don't trouble the opposition when you have the ball it makes it much tougher to defend.

We are a much better team when we play positive footy. I'm hopeful that we are starting to turn a corner and we see us playing footy like that a lot more. If Taylor gets us doing that I'll be stoked but I'm spewing at how he had us playing last year for a big chunk of the season and how we haven't had enough positive attacking plays this season although to be fair it's improved a lot over last season.

Unlike others on here I think our squad is decent. We aren't a bottom 4 team at all. We are a top 8 team. Brooks and Moses are inconsistent players who really need to develop but that is about the only excuse I can see for how we've gone so far this year with the squad we have. We have a chance now to turn the season around and for Taylor to retain his job. I really hope that happens and the best way to do that is for the team to play positive attacking footy.

 

[NT_Tiger]

Last nights game showcased a team playing for each other as a team to a plan. Full credit to the coach. This team is slowly turning the corner. It wasn't all pretty but it was effective because they played as a team.

Taylor bashers if you can't see that last nights game had WT playing as a cohesive squad for each other and the coach, your voices are becoming meaningless echoes.

As a footnote; I've been one calling for Farah to exit. Last night I really enjoyed watching him playing for the team. I only wish he would do that week in and week out. I loved the smile on his face after he scored his try

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[coopy]

I think the case in point was the shift right from the kickoff where we scored. I don't believe we would have seen that play 12 months ago and looked like a set move. To balance this flare, our goal line defence was reasonable today (less rushing in and halves did well).

If that is the style we play for hence fourth, I won't be complaining!

 

[iofthetigers]

/quote]I loved the smile on his face after he scored his try.

The look on Robbie's face was great but the look on JT's was disappointing.

 

[Tigerdon]

/quote]I loved the smile on his face after he scored his try.

The look on Robbie's face was great but the look on JT's was disappointing.

Channel 9 cameraman and commentators found that moment pretty funny

 

[stevetiger]

I reckon Taylor & Robbie both would have been stoked when Robbie scored. I hope they both were.

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

Make no mistake, we won tonight on the back of some great defence. To allow a team like Souths to score only one try in the first half and not turning the ball over at critical times, allowed our attack to flourish. Taylor has, on the evidence tonight, got this team playing some great footy. The inconsistency is frustrating but when you see them play the way that they've been coached, the players have to own that inconsistency. I think Taylor is a good teaching coach, not a motivating coach and if the team plays to his style (which is the way all the top teams play) we will win more games and we'll see more tries scored.

Exactly. Saying offloads and expansive attacking play won the game is like a kid with a shiny new toy. We keep teams to less than 3 tries, we will win more games than not.

Good defence leads to good attack. When you are confident the opposition can't hurt you with the ball, that confidence flows into your attack.

 

[innsaneink]

I know that there have been a lot of posters stating that **_we need to defend and that is basically all that matters._** I think that has also been Taylor's approach and it has lost us a tonne of games. It's not that you don't have to defend. Everyone gets that defence is important. The point is though that you need to have a good attack. It's harder to get right but it has a bigger impact on the game. When you play positive footy you make it easier to play good defence.

I think today's game shows how stupid Taylors tactics in the past have been. We had a dud season last year due to the stupid defence first and probably only mentality. I think we've lost games this season due to not trying to win games.

If we want to start being a high performing team we need to play like one. We need to go out each week and give it our best shot. That means having a functional offence basically every game. I can accept last week when it was bucketing down but going forward we need to attack and try to win games. If we don't make the 8 we should sack Taylor and get a coach in that understands that winning games is what matters.

No one's ever said that

Its been about percentages, trying to minimise errors

Its not pretty sometimes… It's ugly footy... Winning ugly he's is place, it's not easy getting the balance right. . But you need the defence part right first before we can focus on the attack... We are fast from there yet... Our forwards dominated last night which is why we won

Bonstonker was correct... You don't understand

 

[supercoach]

Everyone needs to enjoy the win, but it has to be noted Souths were terrible,they hardly even tested our right edge. Every team knows a quick spread wide our right edge will give you opportunities. Last night GI either turned the ball back inside our gave it to the first runner rather than throwing it to a second man. Okay you play as well as your allowed, but they seemed to lack any direction. Once again not trying to take any gloss off our win, but Souths need a major overhaul

 

[innsaneink]

I dont know what peoples expectations are of coaches these days… I really dont.

We have seen on here dozens of times, for example, "why are our conversions not high percentage, Taylor was a kicker!" Do people really think that Taylor isnt doing extensive work with them? Do people think that just because a player has made a first grade squad, that 18 months instruction is enough to turn an average kicker into El Masri? Wouldnt you think if it was enough, that every conversion would be a given in the competition across every team...

Same ideology goes for the "Taylor puts forward a defense orientated game plan, so when we try to adopt it we lose often"... It is as if you think that once Taylor lays down the directive that the players as professional first graders get the message, and thus what they produce is a direct reflection on the time and effort put into them by the coaching staff. We have more often than not been show inept versions of what was instructed. The human condition strikes again.

Take that a step further and its as if half of you think Taylor told them that tackles = points...

Taylor hasnt helped us rack up wins I agree, but I do believe he has been setting up systems which we are now receiving the dividends of. He simplified the game to relieve pressure on the halves, which most will agree still hasnt been enough as they are still struggling more often than not. Tried to make defence the cornerstone of our game, yet we leak points as if we hadnt ever seen a tackling bag some weeks...

Taylors football philosophy isnt overly flawed. I understand the baby steps process is annoying, though you would also think that being baby steps, we could master them alot quicker than we seem to have.

05 is gone... you cannot throw it around for success, that was a fluke then, shouldnt have worked but someone was blowing a leprechaun or something. We need a balance.Since inception we have been defence dyslexic, we could see it, but we couldnt read or deal with it. Unfortunately we are now paying for it, and to re-educate defence we had to almost be broken to understand its value.

Well written… Best post I've read for some time