Wests Tigers finally ready to get down and dirty

[Newtown]

I'm predicting Blair will be our Player of the Year… All reports about him indicate he knows he let his new mates down and I reckon he will work very hard at being more aggressive and dominant in 2013.

Fire Up Adam Blair!!!!

gee i hope your right i will still have to be convinced he has the talent maybe a bench player 20min on 20 off.tiger watto you might be a better judge than me .

 

[innsaneink]

The Tigers need to improve the go-forward if they are to be a force in 2013\. The team as a whole was down near the bottom of the pack as far as metres gained per match, and a lot of the blame falls squarely on the forwards. We had Woods and Galloway who would consistently average more than 100 metres in attack, particularly Woods. The problems really began with the backrow with Ellis ruled out for most of the season, Blair failing to fire and make any inroads, and Fulton, who while very skillful and can defend all day, simply doesn't make big metres, particularly up the middle of the ruck where he is cannonfodder. Add to this a poor bench rotation, particularly with the front row, and it's easy to see the backrow and bench failed to make an impact.

In the occasional games where the forwards did make strong metres, the Tigers as a whole looked a whole lot more dangerous and the likes of Farah and Marshall were able to dictate terms much more effectively with the opposition on the backfoot. And this is the key, if the forwards can win the ruck and bend the opposition backwards, the Tigers have enough attacking grunt to trouble any side.

Potter needs to be very careful with his backrow and bench selection as we need some size and impact to keep things rolling when Woods and Galloway are having a breather.

None of this will occur if the defence isnt up to scratch, your forwards cant go forward, or they find it a lot more difficult to if the previuous set they been on the back foot and dominated in D by the attacking opposition….if we can hold the oppositions offese, our go forward will improve sharply and the rest that ensues from that, halves with time and backs with room...should produce goods.

Gotta fix the defence

Hello Royce :unamused:

Christ!

 

[LaT]

Anyone know if Royce has resumed his defensive coach role like he had under Sheens?

Or maybe Potter will have him take on a standard assistant coach role with no specialisation?

 

[happy_tiger]

Anyone know if Royce has resumed his defensive coach role like he had under Sheens?

Or maybe Potter will have him take on a standard assistant coach role with no specialisation?

Well it will be either Royce or Georgallis and neither fill you with confidence as the attack men or the defence men

Hoping the signs will work though

 

[Paris_Cobbs]

This article is based on the usual Wests Tigers stereotypes that you find in the media. In 2012 WT were not a team that played much flamboyant off-the-cuff football as they had been. For example, we scored very few tries from inside our own half in 2012, something that had been a characteristic of our play in the past. In fact, as with every other team in the comp, we scored most of our tries from inside the opposition's 20 metre zone.

It looked to me that Sheens was coaching us to play the same as everyone else, instead of using the skills that made us different. It didn't work because our kick-chase remained dreadful, along with our defence. In the end, I think we lost confidence in ourselves.

I'm not sure it's about intimidation anymore - would any of you call the Storm intimidating? They are the premiers.

 

[FARANGALANG]

Anyone know if Royce has resumed his defensive coach role like he had under Sheens?

Or maybe Potter will have him take on a standard assistant coach role with no specialisation?

Well it will be either Royce or Georgallis and neither fill you with confidence as the attack men or the defence men

Hoping the signs will work though

Roycie no georgallis yes.

 

[jadtiger]

Anyone know if Royce has resumed his defensive coach role like he had under Sheens?

Or maybe Potter will have him take on a standard assistant coach role with no specialisation?

Well it will be either Royce or Georgallis and neither fill you with confidence as the attack men or the defence men

Hoping the signs will work though

Roycie no georgallis yes.

Neither give me the slightest confidence but we are stuck with them for at least 1 year

 

[happy_tiger]

This article is based on the usual Wests Tigers stereotypes that you find in the media. In 2012 WT were not a team that played much flamboyant off-the-cuff football as they had been. For example, we scored very few tries from inside our own half in 2012, something that had been a characteristic of our play in the past. In fact, as with every other team in the comp, we scored most of our tries from inside the opposition's 20 metre zone.

It looked to me that Sheens was coaching us to play the same as everyone else, instead of using the skills that made us different. It didn't work because our kick-chase remained dreadful, along with our defence. In the end, I think we lost confidence in ourselves.

I'm not sure it's about intimidation anymore - would any of you call the Storm intimidating? They are the premiers.

Defending against the Storm not intimidating

Trying to defend against Smith,Cronk,Widdup and Slater and Hoffman on the edges lining himself at Benji and Miller Yeah piece of piss

 

[tig_prmz]

It's all feel good huff … players have natural strengths and weakness'.
All this Sheens to Potter stuff seems so simplistic.
Apart from Gavet, the whole squad was compiled by Sheens. It is a group who are mobile before they are brutal.

**Good luck teaching the pussycat to bark.**

haha good post summed up by a hillarious line

 

[AmericanHistoryX]

2 words - Mick Potter.
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[Snodgrass]

2 words - Mick Potter.
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The Messiah … Apparently.
We'll see.

I just can't picture, with our current roster how we can compete using a muscle up the guts style when facing the likes of Manly, Melbourne, Souths and the Dogs.
It'll just have to be another shift at risk from everywhere or perish kind of season.
And If by some miracle the passes stick and it comes off it'll be spectacular, but it'll still be more Sheens than Potter.
Alternatively if Potter sends our light weight, but highly skilled pack straight and hard, into the jaws of death (1970s style) it could get really really ugly. ... Think Groat running towards Teo and use it as a general metaphor. We could run out of pigs before the end of the financial year.

This is Sheens' roster, even Gavet is a Sheens style forward. Nothing about this squad says bash n barge and kick into the corner. Even Bellamy couldn't turn these blokes into robots.

Hypothetical ... Late 70s... Roy Masters takes his face slapping ways to Canterbury to tough em up whilst Ted Glossop tries to add skill to the bruising style of Wests, attempting to convert them into the new entertainers ... Same rosters just a direct coach swap ... End result ... Manly and St George still win the comps.

Ham fisted way of saying .... You have to play to your strengths

 

[Fade_To_Black]

2 words - Mick Potter.
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The Messiah … Apparently.
We'll see.

I just can't picture, with our current roster how we can compete using a muscle up the guts style when facing the likes of Manly, Melbourne, Souths and the Dogs.
It'll just have to be another shift at risk from everywhere or perish kind of season.
And If by some miracle the passes stick and it comes off it'll be spectacular, but it'll still be more Sheens than Potter.
**Alternatively if Potter sends our light weight, but highly skilled pack straight and hard, into the jaws of death (1970s style) it could get really really ugly. ... Think Groat running towards Teo and use it as a general metaphor**. We could run out of pigs before the end of the financial year.

This is Sheens' roster, even Gavet is a Sheens style forward. Nothing about this squad says bash n barge and kick into the corner. Even Bellamy couldn't turn these blokes into robots.

Hypothetical ... Late 70s... Roy Masters takes his face slapping ways to Canterbury to tough em up whilst Ted Glossop tries to add skill to the bruising style of Wests, attempting to convert them into the new entertainers ... Same rosters just a direct coach swap ... End result ... Manly and St George still win the comps.

Ham fisted way of saying .... You have to play to your strengths

Snoddy I am sure our lightweight pack could demolish opposition forwards if they shoulder-charged them in the head ala tough-guy Te'o. I get your point though, flair will always be a trademark of our style of play whilst we have Benji and Robbie playing for WT.

 

[innsaneink]

Cant teach an old dog new tricks, and even if you can, it may take a season or two to get the sheensification out of their system, and it'll take a couple of seasons for Potter to get the team he wants, if he lasts that long

Snoddy makes a good point

Marshalls never changed, he's the hub, if he dont change, how will the spokes change?

I'd love Ben Teo here….he is what we lack, but hey...as long as our blokes are nice eh?

 

[1974semifinal]

All you people expecting Adam Blair to be a Super Hero in 2013 are dreaming. He was the biggest waste in season 2012.
Of course you would think he HAS to improve ..yeah sure , it wouldn't be hard. But this man does not have the talent to be a ' Super Star' . If he turns out to be just a good hard working first grader..accept that.

 

[Paris_Cobbs]

This article is based on the usual Wests Tigers stereotypes that you find in the media. In 2012 WT were not a team that played much flamboyant off-the-cuff football as they had been. For example, we scored very few tries from inside our own half in 2012, something that had been a characteristic of our play in the past. In fact, as with every other team in the comp, we scored most of our tries from inside the opposition's 20 metre zone.

It looked to me that Sheens was coaching us to play the same as everyone else, instead of using the skills that made us different. It didn't work because our kick-chase remained dreadful, along with our defence. In the end, I think we lost confidence in ourselves.

I'm not sure it's about intimidation anymore - would any of you call the Storm intimidating? They are the premiers.

Defending against the Storm not intimidating

Trying to defend against Smith,Cronk,Widdup and Slater and Hoffman on the edges lining himself at Benji and Miller Yeah piece of piss

Hi Happy, I'm always about 12 hours behind in these discussions, as I'm in the northern hemisphere, but…

In this thread, I thought we were discussing old fashioned physical intimidation, where your opposition was frightened to run at you. That kind of intimidation.

So, no, I don't think the Storm are a physically intimidating team.

 

[Fade_To_Black]

Cant teach an old dog new tricks, and even if you can, it may take a season or two to get the sheensification out of their system, and it'll take a couple of seasons for Potter to get the team he wants, if he lasts that long

Snoddy makes a good point

Marshalls never changed, he's the hub, if he dont change, how will the spokes change?

**I'd love Ben Teo here….he is what we lack, but hey...as long as our blokes are nice eh?**

Can't remember us winning a premiership with Te'o here so we are lacking more than him. Nothing to do with blokes being nice…Matt Bowen or Cherry-Evans could knock a prop out too if they shoulder charged him in the head.

 

[innsaneink]

Cant get past that one incident?
Blinkered - very
Open your eyes chum

 

[weststigers4life]

It's all feel good huff … players have natural strengths and weakness'.
All this Sheens to Potter stuff seems so simplistic.
Apart from Gavet, the whole squad was compiled by Sheens. It is a group who are mobile before they are brutal.

Good luck teaching the pussycat to bark.

Hahaha Another piece of gold from Snoddy!
Forget Andy and Hamish, give me Snoddy and Ink any day of the week, I've read some deadset hilarious stuff from the pair of you.
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[Fade_To_Black]

As I stated, we are lacking more than him so he ain't the be all and end all.
My eyes are more than open lud

 

[happy_tiger]

This article is based on the usual Wests Tigers stereotypes that you find in the media. In 2012 WT were not a team that played much flamboyant off-the-cuff football as they had been. For example, we scored very few tries from inside our own half in 2012, something that had been a characteristic of our play in the past. In fact, as with every other team in the comp, we scored most of our tries from inside the opposition's 20 metre zone.

It looked to me that Sheens was coaching us to play the same as everyone else, instead of using the skills that made us different. It didn't work because our kick-chase remained dreadful, along with our defence. In the end, I think we lost confidence in ourselves.

I'm not sure it's about intimidation anymore - would any of you call the Storm intimidating? They are the premiers.

Defending against the Storm not intimidating

Trying to defend against Smith,Cronk,Widdup and Slater and Hoffman on the edges lining himself at Benji and Miller Yeah piece of piss

Hi Happy, I'm always about 12 hours behind in these discussions, as I'm in the northern hemisphere, but…

In this thread, I thought we were discussing old fashioned physical intimidation, where your opposition was frightened to run at you. That kind of intimidation.

So, no, I don't think the Storm are a physically intimidating team.

Whether a side has mental or phsyical intimidation doesn't matter You still need to find a way to beat it