OFFICIAL Wests Tigers Unite: Call to Arms

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This is the biggest non argument in the history of non arguments.

Until a few folk before xmas started talking about the debenture system, no one outside the leagues club membership had an idea what the debenture system was.

It's just being used as an excuse for a rant against the football club and its owner.
To be fair… that’s really not true.
 
This is the biggest non argument in the history of non arguments.

Until a few folk before xmas started talking about the debenture system, no one outside the leagues club membership had an idea what the debenture system was.

It's just being used as an excuse for a rant against the football club and its owner.
A system can be ok until it's not - usually when people abuse it for power. Many governments and organizations have had the issue throughout history. I'm sure you can think of a few.

There is a reason why it was thrust into the limelight at Christmas. Because there was a coop, change in leadership, 2 directors replaced more capable directors on the WT board and a group of 4 directors somehow got rid of 3 other directors on wafer-thin grounds.

Information flowed and people started to understand why we may have struggled with leadership over the years.

A system is ok until it's not. It broke. There's only one group to blame why it's being talked about.

The flaws are now obvious and some people just want us to be better than this. That's all.
 
The independence of the WT board has been promised by the end of the month. Let’s wait and see.
A more democratic system of choosing the HBG board is crucial, as it will ultimately have oversight of the WT board (they are the owners after all !).
I’m not into all these ad hominem attacks on current (or even past) debenture holders, they were just following the system as it stands.
It is a lousy system.
 
I'm not a HBG member. What I think doesn't actually matter.
How convenient 😂😂😂. You seem to be pretty vocal for someone who doesn’t want to share an opinion.

I didn’t ask if you’re a member either so thanks for answering a question I didn’t ask 😂.

For the record Balmain’s ineptitude doesn’t excuse HBG from having a closed, archaic governance structure in the form of the debenture system.

Nor does it excuse them from running the Wests Tigers into the ground with three straight wooden spoons, a lack of strategic vision and sheer incompetence.

If Wests Tigers are to be successful and cease being the laughing stock of Australian sport, we’re going to need a highly competent, skilled board not flogs like Dennis Burgess who have no discernible skillset relevant to the functioning of an NRL club.
 
Like I've said before, the leagues club has been incredibly successful over the years.

Compare that with the elected board at Balmain Leagues Club. Look at the mess they made of bankrupting the joint.

It's irrelevant what you and I think of the board setup, unless we are fully paid up members of the leagues club
I love your double sided argument
- bang on endlessly about how successful the HBG board is as the club is killing it
- then backing what’s left of them for punting the fellas that have obviously had a bit to do with that success over the years…
- how long were Tony and Rick there for?
 
A system can be ok until it's not - usually when people abuse it for power. Many governments and organizations have had the issue throughout history. I'm sure you can think of a few.

There is a reason why it was thrust into the limelight at Christmas. Because there was a coop, change in leadership, 2 directors replaced more capable directors on the WT board and a group of 4 directors somehow got rid of 3 other directors on wafer-thin grounds.

Information flowed and people started to understand why we may have struggled with leadership over the years.

A system is ok until it's not. It broke. There's only one group to blame why it's being talked about.

The flaws are now obvious and some people just want us to be better than this. That's all.
The reason there hasn't been a magnifying glass on HBG is because we've been too busy overturning every other structure and position of the club for 10 years - Head Coach, Head of Performance, Centre of Excellence, roster, Assistant Coaches, home grounds, CEO, Chairperson.

And with all of that change we actually got worse. There's only 1 thing left to change, we had an external review recommending such changes... and they cut Pascoe and Lee almost immediately, but somehow stalled in the removal of themselves for 13 months, like Frodo not being able to throw the ring into the fire even after he has spent all that effort hiking to the conclusion.

In the meanwhile instead of a peaceful transition of power, we hear about in-fighting and the ongoing influence of an archaic debenture system that doesn't even raise further revenues, it's instead a power base for a core group of oldies. I think it's entirely fair to put an even stronger magnifying glass on HBG given they are not only core to the Wests Tigers failures and bad decisions, but they are undergoing their own civil war (which would be bad enough even if the club was successful).
 
"they" havent run a .... football team for 25 years.

"they" have only been in control of the football club since around 2020

Yes, in that time WTs have ended up with the wooden spoon, but if you look at what is actually going on at HBG right now, there are 2 board members who have managed to ingratiate themselves into the leagues club, the Magpies, the holding company and the WTs board... those two gents who actually had near god like power across those organisations have now gone.

The club has been unsuccesful for 22 out of our 25 year history. Putting all that blame onto the board of HBG is disengenious and also laughable.
I don't understand this argument.

HBG is simply a rebranding of Wests Ashfield, they even say so themselves and claim establishment in 1955.

And I always found it interesting that they named themselves with a unified moniker, assuming to absorb the heritage of Keith Barnes when they absorbed the Balmain Leagues Club, but without anyone from within HBG is actually being from the Balmain side of the merger?

Balmain first lost Board control in 2014 due to debts and it's the same Wests Ashfield names popping up since then - Rick Wayde, Tony A, Simon Cook. It's the same small group of people putting themselves forward. Mike Liubinskas and Mike Bailey used to be on the Board - also debenture holders.

Since 2016 when Wests first took majority ownership of Wests Tigers, it's been a downhill of results and bad or unlucky decisions, getting worse year on year - 9th, 15th, 9th, 9th, 11th, 13th, 16th, 17th, 17th.

I have nothing personal against these people but the results speak for themselves - time for fresh faces. Let them focus on running a successful pokie den.
 
How has it been for you since Richo joined? Have you enjoyed his leadership?

What did you make of the podcast last week and the 'happy family'?
I've seen less hostility in real-life hostage videos!!

Well done to Richo in snookering the HBG Chair to put her name and face to a publlc assurance that the current (UNCONSTITUTIONAL) HBG Board will honour the review recommendations and the recruitment process for the independent WT Board members...

But if you think this is a happy and united family....

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"they" havent run a .... football team for 25 years.

"they" have only been in control of the football club since around 2020

Yes, in that time WTs have ended up with the wooden spoon, but if you look at what is actually going on at HBG right now, there are 2 board members who have managed to ingratiate themselves into the leagues club, the Magpies, the holding company and the WTs board... those two gents who actually had near god like power across those organisations have now gone.

The club has been unsuccesful for 22 out of our 25 year history. Putting all that blame onto the board of HBG is disengenious and also laughable.
"God like powers"??? What a load of bullshit!

Do you even understand basic maths?

How can TWO Directors elected by the members hold more power than the FIVE Directors nominated by the debenture holders??

In any HBG Board meeting - how do the TWO VOTES of the membership elected Directors EVER hold sway over the FIVE debenture apppointees??

That would require at least TWO of the debenture reps to join a voting block with the TWO members' reps....

So the debenture system that you are strongly advocating for - was also responsible for the supposed "God like powes" of the now-suspended Directors that you allege!

Your logic is so twisted it has disappeared up your rectum!
 
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"they" havent run a .... football team for 25 years.

"they" have only been in control of the football club since around 2020


Yes, in that time WTs have ended up with the wooden spoon, but if you look at what is actually going on at HBG right now, there are 2 board members who have managed to ingratiate themselves into the leagues club, the Magpies, the holding company and the WTs board... those two gents who actually had near god like power across those organisations have now gone.

The club has been unsuccesful for 22 out of our 25 year history. Putting all that blame onto the board of HBG is disengenious and also laughable.
Check your facts!

They have presided over a nine years of abject failure since 2016!!
 
.....and yet the board agreed to follow the review back in 2023. Your opinion doesn't stack up against the facts
Funny how you forget that that was the previous board before Julies coup. You know the Julie who had no issue writing emails to everyone on the former HBG board at the time about her reservations about the review.
The same Julie that orchestrated the removal of the 3 board members who commissioned and accepted the reviews findings.
The same Julie who threatened our chairman with lawyers if he held a board meeting without her approval.
The same Julie who could have issued a statement to openly say she supports the review, which took her 4 days to do after the storm erupted. Mind you she has never actually said she supports anything, she just hides behind press releases.
The same Julie that turned up to the behind the roar podcast looking like Oscar the grouch, like she arrived straight out of a bin and couldn't string a proper sentence togeather.
That Julie HBG trusty boardroom leader.
 
Funny how you forget that that was the previous board before Julies coup. You know the Julie who had no issue writing emails to everyone on the former HBG board at the time about her reservations about the review.
The same Julie that orchestrated the removal of the 3 board members who commissioned and accepted the reviews findings.
The same Julie who threatened our chairman with lawyers if he held a board meeting without her approval.
The same Julie who could have issued a statement to openly say she supports the review, which took her 4 days to do after the storm erupted. Mind you she has never actually said she supports anything, she just hides behind press releases.
The same Julie that turned up to the behind the roar podcast looking like Oscar the grouch, like she arrived straight out of a bin and couldn't string a proper sentence togeather.
That Julie HBG trusty boardroom leader.
I’m not advocating for Julie but not everyone is comfortable in front of acamera
 
How?

They need to replace the suspended Directors before they can do anything constitutionally!

And two need to be elected by the membership... that ain't happening before the season kicks off!!
The wests tigers board. If they create the right structure there, the debenture setup for hdb would take a backseat for a while. For me at least.
 
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