GNR4LIFE
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So its the fans fault the team conceded 42 points?
What point of unshackling attack if you let in 42?
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@jirskyr said:
Can't speak for others, but both games were infuriating IMO, for differing reasons.
Remember that the Cowboys were heavily depleted in that game, plus were playing away in Sydney, where they traditionally have a very average record.
Plus it was more the reaction of JT that irked than the performance - he was seemingly ecstatic about our defence, despite us missing 30+ tackles and the Cowboys marching up and down the field at will. That they only scored one try was not a true reflection of our defensive proficiency IMO.
No doubt that yesterday was disgusting for the most part, and to be honest I find the positivity a bit bemusing given how flimsy our defence was. JT has rightly placed emphasis on improving our defence, but to me it's a huge concern that we're still as poor as ever 19 rounds and a full off-season into his reign.
Further, we ruined yesterday's potential comeback with impatience and immaturity - wanted to score on every set rather than try and grind our way to some good field position.
goldcoast_tiger
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For what its worth, I also think that the Cows game was the worst game I've seen in a long time. Both teams had quite a few chances to win it at different times, and all they did was the mind numbing rubbish that we all sat through,
The big gloat about the good defence was a joke. The attack from both sides never asked any questions ot the oppositions defence, in fact the one thing that made the defence easier , was that neither team could hold on to the ball. The handling was Z Grade throughout the game, the one good thing about the game was that you could take your time getting a coldie from the fridge, as you were no chance of missing anything
Our big test is still ahead.
You can bet that the Roosters won't be giving a players a holiday this week.
And you can bet they won't be taking their main playmaker off the field well short of half time either. The Broncos Thought all they had to do was turn up.
Obviously Bennett doesn't have a SuperCoach Team, or if he has, he didn't have Parker as Captain
The big gloat about the good defence was a joke. The attack from both sides never asked any questions ot the oppositions defence, in fact the one thing that made the defence easier , was that neither team could hold on to the ball. The handling was Z Grade throughout the game, the one good thing about the game was that you could take your time getting a coldie from the fridge, as you were no chance of missing anything
Our big test is still ahead.
You can bet that the Roosters won't be giving a players a holiday this week.
And you can bet they won't be taking their main playmaker off the field well short of half time either. The Broncos Thought all they had to do was turn up.
Obviously Bennett doesn't have a SuperCoach Team, or if he has, he didn't have Parker as Captain
It does no good to a team of rookies to be held to a process they cannot follow, let them play whats in front of them, let them score some points while working on their defence. They will be much more amenable if you work within their capability and draw on their talent rather than asking them to persist with something they cannot do.
Surprisingly - I actually think we are getting better defensively. Yes the scores and stats suggest otherwise but in previous years we seemed very soft up the middle and leaked points all over the shop.
This year our right side has been absolute rubbish but if we could fix that I wonder where we would sit? I know it's not going to happen but a decent defensiveright side centre and decent backrower would make a big difference.
This year our right side has been absolute rubbish but if we could fix that I wonder where we would sit? I know it's not going to happen but a decent defensiveright side centre and decent backrower would make a big difference.
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Tiger_In_The_Gong
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Cowboys game was the absolute worst game of football i have ever been to. If i could erase one game from my memory that would be it.
Yesterday showed glimpses of the squad we do have if they are coached right and the halves are allowed to play a more natural game.
Defense wise, there has been so much talk from the coach about working on the defense. Unfortunately the improvement that should be there by now just isnt there. At this rate its a year or more off.
Yesterday showed glimpses of the squad we do have if they are coached right and the halves are allowed to play a more natural game.
Defense wise, there has been so much talk from the coach about working on the defense. Unfortunately the improvement that should be there by now just isnt there. At this rate its a year or more off.
@jirskyr said:
Your not getting the point are you
Yesterday we played a team on top of the competition.
Cowboys game had no Thurston, Morgan, Scott, Tamou. That is like a QLD cup side. The 8-0 was just as deplorable. If we had played any football at all we could have won that game. It was a reserve grade side. How can you compare that to a star studded Broncos team on a massive role? If Thurston and company play we would have got flogged that night. If you cant se that i feel sorry for you.
Of course everyone is dissapointed with letting in 42 points. However the defence has been pretty crap consistently. The only difference yesterday was it was 40 instead of 28 or 30 because of the quality of the opponents. Which you dont seem to consider a factor in your comparisons.
Taylor has priositised defence and he has not done a good job of it. Full stop.
jirskyr
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@Eddie said:
I get it, I just don't agree. You are entitled to your opinion.
I don't care if we play 1st or 15th, a win is worth 2 points and a loss is not.
There are different grades of losses, and a 1 point last-minute loss is much more honourable than a shellacking.
8-0 to a muppet Cowboys side is terrible. So is 42-16 to top of the table. They are both terrible. But some people are happier with the big loss, just because Broncos are on top. I don't get that. In fact people keep banging on about how bad that Cowboys game was, man, people have such short memories. I've seen some absolutely tragic Tigers games in my time, on par with anything in 2015.
happy_tiger
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Eddie I just think there are too many issues with our defence to fix at the moment
I reckon I could name at least 7-8 major issues with our defence that oppositions sides that they can focus on to knock us over with
People knocking Taylor need to feel sorry for the poor bloke , not jump on his case
We don't have the cattle and the longer the season goes the more apparent it becomes
And the people knocking the Cowboys back up players , get on the Townsville Blackhawks site and look at the back up players they have
We'd dream to have some of these blokes in our starting 17 , let alone in Qld/NSW Cup
Glenn Hall ,Costigan ,Ben Spina ,even Moses Pangai in the centres would be an improvement
I reckon I could name at least 7-8 major issues with our defence that oppositions sides that they can focus on to knock us over with
People knocking Taylor need to feel sorry for the poor bloke , not jump on his case
We don't have the cattle and the longer the season goes the more apparent it becomes
And the people knocking the Cowboys back up players , get on the Townsville Blackhawks site and look at the back up players they have
We'd dream to have some of these blokes in our starting 17 , let alone in Qld/NSW Cup
Glenn Hall ,Costigan ,Ben Spina ,even Moses Pangai in the centres would be an improvement
Happy I agree our side is sub standard. Most weeks we are deserved under dogs with the roster we have. I do feel sorry in that regard, this year was always going to be tough with the roster calls we made.
However maybe Taylor should not have been so bullish about his defensive system if there are 7-8 issues with it. He bagges previous coaches and said it was easy to fix in pre season. He said it was all about system in defence pre season, not personel, his words not mine.
Now he is scrambling for ways to say we are improving. Becuase his defensive structure is not standing up. He is trying to sugar coat it, but the fatcs are he has not improved our defence, even though he said it was easy to.
Thats my gripe with taylor, he came in cocky about it and has not delivered anything but will spin things. Do you watch his press conferences? They are painful. its like every answer he is trying to justify his methods and the teams imrpovements.
However maybe Taylor should not have been so bullish about his defensive system if there are 7-8 issues with it. He bagges previous coaches and said it was easy to fix in pre season. He said it was all about system in defence pre season, not personel, his words not mine.
Now he is scrambling for ways to say we are improving. Becuase his defensive structure is not standing up. He is trying to sugar coat it, but the fatcs are he has not improved our defence, even though he said it was easy to.
Thats my gripe with taylor, he came in cocky about it and has not delivered anything but will spin things. Do you watch his press conferences? They are painful. its like every answer he is trying to justify his methods and the teams imrpovements.
@jirskyr said:
Maybe they are more content with the loss because there is zero expectation of a win. Thats how bad we have been. Getting within 30 is a bonus of the top team. I am not saying its the right attitude, but thats how bad the Tigers have become. Some people are happy with a 26 point loss when you give up 30?
You have to expect more melt down in the forum when we have a chance to win a game against the reserve grade Cows. We could have won that game with the right game plan and thats why people were livid i feel.
I was not happy with yesterday loss. It was a soft and rubbish performance. But it was about the same standard we have come to except all season. Not better or worse.
You and try and sugar coat things all you like, but your right each win is worth 2 points and we have the least in the comp. And Taylor needs to be held partly responsible for a really poor season. Its like he is trying to justify his methods in every single answer. its painful to watch.
happy_tiger
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@Eddie said:
When you have that many issues it has to be the first priority and almost the only priority
We struggle to score 20+ points against top opposition and we need to learn to defend that and if we can't we will finish seasons in the future 5-19
People got excited about our attack , I think they Broncos had the ball for two sets in the first 11 minutes of the 2nd half and turned it over on the third tackle on one set from memory
The minute the possession % balanced out we were in trouble
The other worrying issue after the 2nd last try was the amount of WT's players with cramp We had 4 players go down with cramps after they scored
His pressos don't really matter in my opinion , what he tells the flogs of the journalism trade means little , they'll just print what they want or what they think WT's supporters will read or want to hear
So I guess my issue is if its a priority and a focus WHY can't he improve it at all
You talk about all these issues. However is that not for the coach to figure out and improve?
He said in pre season defence was all about system, not players. And that it is his only focus. Well clearly either his system is flawed or he has not been able to coach it to the players effectively.
Taylor said all he wanted to be measured on was defence. Face facts taylor was too cocky about improving the defence in bagging previous coaches. Our defence is as bad this year as any other year if not worse. And thats disappointing considering the coaches chest beating
You talk about all these issues. However is that not for the coach to figure out and improve?
He said in pre season defence was all about system, not players. And that it is his only focus. Well clearly either his system is flawed or he has not been able to coach it to the players effectively.
Taylor said all he wanted to be measured on was defence. Face facts taylor was too cocky about improving the defence in bagging previous coaches. Our defence is as bad this year as any other year if not worse. And thats disappointing considering the coaches chest beating
Tiger_Watto
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@happy tiger said:
Pangai the grub got a spell for headbutting… Should be barred for life!
Prsonally Im never happy with a loss….but I was happy to see the halves allowed to play some footy
greatodensraven
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its better than losing 42 - nil
@Eddie said:
Eddie,I completely understand your frustration with this team at the moment,I to have been frustrated at times and wondered how long it will take the young guys to understand the defensive structure,it all takes time,some take longer than others..
I really hope that you are pleased with the way the whole team played last night..
To give you are very good quote re Taylor and everyone critising the structure and his coaching…"there's method in his madness"...
Time and patients are the key,maybe this is why JT has been so pasty faced in the pressos ...
