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      Zaibatsu last edited by

      Who here is a fan of the McIntyre top 8 system?

      Personally I prefer a top 6 format (I just don’t believe that HALF the field should make the finals), however if it has to be a top 8 system I much prefer the AFL system.

      The AFL system provides much more interesting clashes and fully rewards you for making the top 4 as you cannot possibly be eliminated in the first week of the finals (In the McIntyre system even 3rd can be gooooooneskis in week one).

      For those unfamiliar with the AFL system it works like this:

      So basically it splits the top 8 into two segments with teams 1-4 playing against eachother for a spot in the preliminary finals and teams 5-8 playing off against eachother in instant-knockout matches.

      Then the losers from the 1-4 segment play off against the winners from the 5-8 segment in the 2nd week of finals for the other 2 preliminary finals spots…

      This system allows for much more interesting, close, hard-fought matches all finals series and the reward for finishing in the top 4 of the eight is very advantagous.

      Much better than the drubbings you often see in the NRL where you have 1st vs 8th and 2nd vs 7th etc… (has 8th ever even beaten 1st? 😕 ).

      Thoughts?

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        AndTheKungFoSing last edited by

        That system is MILES better than the NRL system… always thought it…

        In 2005 we absolutely smashed the Cowboys… only to play them again in the Final… that was a wank… but it was so good to smash them again lol

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          Juro last edited by

          To be honest, I don’t mind the NRL system at all. One of these days we will have a team finishing 7th or 8th that find form at the right time of year and turn the finals series on its head. Maybe this year…

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            Zaibatsu last edited by

            @Juro:

            To be honest, I don’t mind the NRL system at all. One of these days we will have a team finishing 7th or 8th that find form at the right time of year and turn the finals series on its head. Maybe this year…

            lol so “one year we’ll get a good series” compared to a system which produces awesome matches constantly each and every season?

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              TigersFan4Life last edited by

              Based on the assumption that all the higher-placed teams win, the AFL’s system brings about more quality matchups compared to the McIntyre system. Here’s how the two systems would go if all results go according to placings:

              AFL

              week one

              1v4
              2v3
              5v8
              6v7

              week two

              3v6
              4v5

              week three

              1v3
              2v4

              grand final

              1v2

              McIntyre

              week one

              1v8
              2v7
              3v6
              4v5

              week two

              3v5
              4v6

              week three

              1v4
              2v3

              grand final

              1v2

              So the AFL system has five matchups between top four teams. The McIntyre system only has three. HOWEVER, one drawback of the AFL system is this: if either 1st or 2nd lose in week one, there’s no way they can meet in the grand final because they’ll be playing each other in week three if they both make it that far. This situation is always avoided with the McIntyre system.

              My personal preference would be a round robin type format where you take the top eight and split them into two pools and play three weeks of games, just like how the opening stage of the soccer world cup goes. You could even have a draw during the week before the finals to see exactly which teams are in each pool. After the round robin the top two go through to the semis, so it would be a five week finals series. The good thing about it is that every team would play every week.

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                NJLM78 last edited by

                The AFL finals series always seems much better when compared to what the NRL have been using. I’m surprised they haven’t thought of introducing it.

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                  TigersFan4Life last edited by

                  @Zaibatsu:

                  Much better than the drubbings you often see in the NRL where you have 1st vs 8th and 2nd vs 7th etc… (has 8th ever even beaten 1st? 😕 ).

                  Thoughts?

                  Warriors beat Melbourne last year. That was the first time under the McIntyre system that 8th had beaten 1st. There’s been a number of occasions when 7th has beaten 2nd since the MS was introduced in '99. They are listed below:

                  2000 Eels d Roosters 32-8
                  2001 Dragons d Bulldogs 23-22
                  2002 Dragons d Knights 26-22
                  2004 Cowboys d Bulldogs 30-22

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                    Sabre last edited by

                    But you’d rather come 5th than 1st or 2nd.

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                      Zaibatsu last edited by

                      @Iron Tiger:

                      But you’d rather come 5th than 1st or 2nd.

                      😆 No you wouldn’t! Why would you?

                      1-4 teams = immune from elimination.

                      If you finish 5th you could be goooooooooone week one and even if you win you will still have to play a top 4 team the next week before you reach a prelim…

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                        willow last edited by

                        I’ve gotten used to the McIntyre system now and don’t really have a problem with it. I think the competition is closer again this season so teams 7 and 8, whoever they may be could be in with a shot at going further than week 1.

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                          Tommy_Magpie last edited by

                          McIntyre System is stupid. The AFL version is much much better.

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                            Zaibatsu last edited by

                            @willow:

                            I’ve gotten used to the McIntyre system now and don’t really have a problem with it. I think the competition is closer again this season so teams 7 and 8, whoever they may be could be in with a shot at going further than week 1.

                            But having the 5th-8th teams playing off is great because its instant death for both sides!

                            1st vs 8th is only instant death for one of the sides and is “usually” a complete missmatch of a game.

                            two teams that are close in skill-level both playing for their lives is much more entertaining imo.

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                              Marshall_magic last edited by

                              I don’t care what system they use. To be premiers you have to beat all comers, whether they finish 8th, 5th, 2nd, last, it doesn’t matter. Finals are about winning, not who got an easier draw.

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                                Sabre last edited by

                                @Zaibatsu:

                                @Iron Tiger:

                                But you’d rather come 5th than 1st or 2nd.

                                😆 No you wouldn’t! Why would you?

                                1-4 teams = immune from elimination.

                                If you finish 5th you could be goooooooooone week one and even if you win you will still have to play a top 4 team the next week before you reach a prelim…

                                But you vs easier team. I prefer mcintyre system

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                                  Peaches last edited by

                                  I prefer the AFL system too. Closer games and rewards the top 4 with a deffinate non-elimination.

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