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@avocadoontoast said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:
@tigerpower said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:
@avocadoontoast said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:
@tigerpower said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:
@avocadoontoast said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:
How anyone could possibly want Folau is beyond me.
Why? We are short on backs and the guy is as good an athlete as you will find.
Hasn’t played NRL in 10 years and would be a PR disaster. Would be a shocking decision.
If our main sponsor has left the door open then maybe it’s a possibility. Played super league last year .
I can’t see us being that stupid tbh
And PV has said no way he’s coming back despite the Christian campaign.
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@jc99 said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:
@tigerblood93 said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:
@jc99 said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:
@tigerblood93 said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:
So some of the people on this group are willing to offer a 2 year contract to a player who has a chronic back injury? No garuntee he will last 2 years. Shit defender btw and After the 2 years then what? We gotta find a new halfback and new combinations? It’s just creating more problems for our club. Decisions like this are the reason we are still rebuilding. If you wanna buy a new halfback, it should be a gun halfback who we can build around for years to come. not a player that’s at the end of there career or another rookie. Much prefer brooks over reynolds. I mean Souths won’t offer there halfback from the last decade longer than one year for god sake.
What gun, in their prime halfbacks are available? They rarely leave the clubs they’re at. Brooks is in no way shape or form a better halfback than Reynolds.
Also pretty sure the whole ‘chronic back injury’ thing got debunked as Souths making stuff up.
That’s my point! Much rather stick with brooks, give him time with combinations and the same coach and we will see the best of him.
Reynolds would cost us over and a big risk for 2 years in term of his chronic injury. After the 2 years we need another half and gotta wait till the combinations settle again. It’s just the same thing again, the reason why we can’t be consistent is the amount of changes in combinations and coaches in the last decade. It just turns into another rebuild. Brooks makes 25 tackles a game! I garuntee you reynolds misses close to 10 a game, he won’t get the same cover in our team.
Why would the club lie about that about a player? It hasn’t been debunked at all, if anything it looks suss why they don’t want him for longer than a year.
They would make it up to cover up the fact their salary cap is in a mess and that’s why they can’t offer him a longer deal… been widely reported at this point. Reports are that they have offered him 2 years at this point - he’s rejected it now.
If you think brooks will evolve anymore as a player then I’m not sure what to tell you. He can play well but he’s not the kind of player we need anymore, we need a leader/organiser and that’s just not him.
I’d rather 2 years of Reynolds then signing another half compared to 2 years of Brooks being a spud and having to replace him soon enough anyway.
What Souths’ offered was two years but the Club has a second year option as to whether they take up the year. It’s called window dressing.
I posted yesterday about the number of above average players lost to WTs - Farah, Marshall, Tedesco, Simona, JAC, Woods, Moses, Tapau even Papenhuyzen while Brooks remained. We are not comparing level playing fields as Souths have Cook, Walker, Mitchell and the NSW lock besides Reynolds. Put those players with Brooks in a WTs’ team and I suggest we would not be having Brooks’ threads. I am not demonstrating a lack of respect to our current players. We lack experience which will be learnt.
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@mikey said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:
@avocadoontoast said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:
@tigerpower said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:
@avocadoontoast said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:
@tigerpower said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:
@avocadoontoast said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:
How anyone could possibly want Folau is beyond me.
Why? We are short on backs and the guy is as good an athlete as you will find.
Hasn’t played NRL in 10 years and would be a PR disaster. Would be a shocking decision.
If our main sponsor has left the door open then maybe it’s a possibility. Played super league last year .
I can’t see us being that stupid tbh
And PV has said no way he’s coming back despite the Christian campaign.
Not sure what the courts would say despite PV thinking he is above the law
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@tony-soprano said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:
@mikey said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:
@avocadoontoast said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:
@tigerpower said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:
@avocadoontoast said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:
@tigerpower said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:
@avocadoontoast said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:
How anyone could possibly want Folau is beyond me.
Why? We are short on backs and the guy is as good an athlete as you will find.
Hasn’t played NRL in 10 years and would be a PR disaster. Would be a shocking decision.
If our main sponsor has left the door open then maybe it’s a possibility. Played super league last year .
I can’t see us being that stupid tbh
And PV has said no way he’s coming back despite the Christian campaign.
Not sure what the courts would say despite PV thinking he is above the law
How is it anything to do with the courts?
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@tony-soprano said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:
@mikey said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:
@avocadoontoast said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:
@tigerpower said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:
@avocadoontoast said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:
@tigerpower said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:
@avocadoontoast said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:
How anyone could possibly want Folau is beyond me.
Why? We are short on backs and the guy is as good an athlete as you will find.
Hasn’t played NRL in 10 years and would be a PR disaster. Would be a shocking decision.
If our main sponsor has left the door open then maybe it’s a possibility. Played super league last year .
I can’t see us being that stupid tbh
And PV has said no way he’s coming back despite the Christian campaign.
Not sure what the courts would say despite PV thinking he is above the law
I’m not sure it’s a real issue, he is 32 and hasn’t played our game in years, who is going to sign him?
If we looked, so be it, but that is not signing him.
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@tigerblood93 said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:
@furious1 said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:
@tigerblood93 said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:
So some of the people on this group are willing to offer a 2 year contract to a player who has a chronic back injury? No garuntee he will last 2 years. Shit defender btw and After the 2 years then what? We gotta find a new halfback and new combinations? It’s just creating more problems for our club. Decisions like this are the reason we are still rebuilding. If you wanna buy a new halfback, it should be a gun halfback who we can build around for years to come. not a player that’s at the end of there career or another rookie. Much prefer brooks over reynolds. I mean Souths won’t offer there halfback from the last decade longer than one year for god sake.
Sounds like it’s due to appalling Cap management more than anything else. Can’t wait for the media to go to town on them.
If it had anything to do with salary cap why would they offer him one year? They even came out today offering him a 2 year contract worth 1.4mil. That’s 700k a season… the catch is year 2 is a club option. Clearly the Souths are worried about something. Regardless like
Someone said genuine halfbacks are hard to come by but Souths are willing to let him go next year if he doesn’t take the one year contract. The chronic injury seems interesting, why would Souths come out and say something negative about the halfback that won the a grand final and has been loyal to them for a decade.See @JC99 reply.
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@tigerwest said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:
@tony-soprano said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:
@mikey said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:
@avocadoontoast said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:
@tigerpower said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:
@avocadoontoast said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:
@tigerpower said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:
@avocadoontoast said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:
How anyone could possibly want Folau is beyond me.
Why? We are short on backs and the guy is as good an athlete as you will find.
Hasn’t played NRL in 10 years and would be a PR disaster. Would be a shocking decision.
If our main sponsor has left the door open then maybe it’s a possibility. Played super league last year .
I can’t see us being that stupid tbh
And PV has said no way he’s coming back despite the Christian campaign.
Not sure what the courts would say despite PV thinking he is above the law
I’m not sure it’s a real issue, he is 32 and hasn’t played our game in years, who is going to sign him?
If we looked, so be it, but that is not signing him.
Too old. Too much of a flog
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@tony-soprano said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:
@mikey said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:
@avocadoontoast said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:
@tigerpower said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:
@avocadoontoast said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:
@tigerpower said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:
@avocadoontoast said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:
How anyone could possibly want Folau is beyond me.
Why? We are short on backs and the guy is as good an athlete as you will find.
Hasn’t played NRL in 10 years and would be a PR disaster. Would be a shocking decision.
If our main sponsor has left the door open then maybe it’s a possibility. Played super league last year .
I can’t see us being that stupid tbh
And PV has said no way he’s coming back despite the Christian campaign.
Not sure what the courts would say despite PV thinking he is above the law
Not sure that PV thinks he is. One thing I can be more sure about is he doesn’t publicly share the same anti-gay viewpoint and knows it would damage the image of the game if he were to come back. Sponsorship across the league would probably be affected as well.
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Folau’s 32 and did nothing in his stint with Catalans. no thanks. we are definitely going to need a centre considering Leilua will be gone come season’s end and Talau isn’t exactly setting the world on fire, but there’s far better options out there.
Kei and Hoffman both join the top 30 next year but unsure whether they make the 17, but who knows.
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@jrtiger said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:
Folau’s 32 and did nothing in his stint with Catalans. no thanks. we are definitely going to need a centre considering Leilua will be gone come season’s end and Talau isn’t exactly setting the world on fire, but there’s far better options out there.
Kei and Hoffman both join the top 30 next year but unsure whether they make the 17, but who knows.
They’ve showed litttle first grade promise.
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@mikey said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:
@avocadoontoast said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:
@tigerpower said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:
@avocadoontoast said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:
@tigerpower said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:
@avocadoontoast said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:
How anyone could possibly want Folau is beyond me.
Why? We are short on backs and the guy is as good an athlete as you will find.
Hasn’t played NRL in 10 years and would be a PR disaster. Would be a shocking decision.
If our main sponsor has left the door open then maybe it’s a possibility. Played super league last year .
I can’t see us being that stupid tbh
And PV has said no way he’s coming back despite the Christian campaign.
He actually said that no club has made an application so he doesn’t understand why they are lobbying.
Did you read the article or the headline?
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@go_you_good_things said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:
@willow said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:
@philgood said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:
@willow said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:
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@tony-soprano said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:
Wonder if we having a look at Folau lee just spoke about his situation and didn’t shut it down
I would take Folau in a heartbeat. Make it happen tigers.
Wouldn’t go near that filth and he’s spent so long out of rugby league there’s no way he’d be that good transitioning back.
Who the hell do you think you are to call him filth?? Why are people who don’t believe in a heaven and hell, getting so worked up about his comments anyway.
I’ll call him whatever I like within reason thanks phil.
I bet you wouldn’t have the guts to say it to his face.
This is a pretty dumb comment really. How many times do you read about people challenging football players on nights out. Happens all the time. A few years ago, I remember someone shaping up to Hulk Hogan while he was in Australia. I wouldn’t presume anyone not having the guts
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@jrtiger said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:
Folau’s 32 and did nothing in his stint with Catalans. no thanks. we are definitely going to need a centre considering Leilua will be gone come season’s end and Talau isn’t exactly setting the world on fire, but there’s far better options out there.
Kei and Hoffman both join the top 30 next year but unsure whether they make the 17, but who knows.
Good point re Catalans. If he was any good, he’d have dominated that competition and would have had a lot of NRL clubs knocking down his door. Everyone who wants him here seems to think we’d be getting Falou circa 2010. When he was 21…
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@weststigers said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:
Anyone that thinks Corey Oates will have better hands than Kepaoa needs to watch a few Broncos replays…
I’m keen on Folau…would make a big difference to our side on the wing or in the centres.
Agree with you on Oates - needs to take a bag on the field with him.
For those complaining about AJ…
Absolute and an emphatic NO to Folau from me - retrograde step in my opinion.
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@jirskyr said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:
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@jc99 said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:
This forum cares way too much about players personalities… as long as they work hard at training and work hard on the field let’s take them. We can’t afford to run background checks on players and only sign charity workers… McGuire is a grub but he would be a solid pickup and footy is what matters
I’m very proud of the fact our club hasn’t ever been seen as purveyers of grubby play.
To the point that even the “Crouching Tiger, Hidden Finger” or Tim Simona stuff never left a stigma upon our great clubs name in the same way Storm cheated the cap or Easts Rorters continually seem so flushed for choice or Sharks being found over the cap every year either side of their premiership.
Our integrity is intact.
We are proud.
We signed bone-heads before, the most recent having been dropped last week.
Was it last year McGuire got done for eye-gouging?
Let us not even entertain the thought of having someone of so little repute at our club.
If we limp… we limp like men!Other big teams (especially forwards) dont respect us
we play nice
we don’t play finalsIm sick of limping out of finals contention
I think most teams do respect us, we are quite known for producing the unexpected
Havn’t been in contention for a while sure but we make most teams sweat regardless
Incorrect. No one respects us at all. We’re generally considered a laughing stock to most clubs and players.
You know this for sure, right? You know what most clubs and players generally think about Tigers, you’ve taken a survey?
have you? It’s not an emotional thing here.
Everyone rests players against us, we play teams back into form, we had prayer circles, our forward struggle to make 100m a game, we cant score points and now have a record for more than 26 points scored against us in consecutive weeks.
Seriously its been a mess over the years, slowly getting better though. Potentially we may be underestimated soon, but not yet.
No I haven’t done a survey, but I am not making claims to know what players think. It’s just a stupid and pointless claim that “most clubs and players” think or do anything.
You claim resting players, playing teams back into form… there’s no data for that, just sweeping generalisations.
The one legitimate thing you’ve said is the bad defensive record >26 points in consecutive weeks. No debating that, and I believe that is the primary difference between where we are now and finals football. All the rest of it - the wingers, Brooks’ performance, Doueihi as a long-term 5/8th option, our hookers… I think they are all very secondary to a complete inability to defend under pressure.
But, again, not making any stupid and pointless claims about what other teams “think”.
Lol it’s what they say and do - on record. On radio. On the net. In the papers. Before and after games. It’s their words and actions, not mine. It’s the coaches, players, recruits. Latrell said he didn’t want to be the big player at a club or something like that. Coaches regularly down play our efforts. Look at Moses rolling over the sideline. No respect. That hurts.
Im not hiding behind a false accusation that a survey is necessary, I just read. A lot.
But whatever put those rose coloured glasses on and believe we are a powerhouse, feared and respected by all for missing the finals, sacking club legends, front office disasters, salary cap management etc… 9th place is a good result right?
It’s the coaches fault, the halfbacks fault, we don’t have wingers, our 5/8 is bad, no one would buy our hooker, we cant defend, cant make a last tackle play, cant buy a repeat set. Crumble under pressure etc.
But wait, why would you respect a team like that? Even some on the forum don’t seem to at times.
Problem is most people are losing patience at history repeating. Again and again and again.
As I said, it’s changing, just slowly. But, it is changing. More deadwood gone at the end of this year - another step forward. One step towards respect. Finals this year would be another. Might even jag a win.
If we get it right a lack or respect turns to underestimation. hopefully in September.
I’ll just take my sweeping generalisations and brush them under the rug. Seems too be better if we just think its all ok.
Personally, Im sick of it. Hopefully the players are as well. Because according to Kent if you cant make it as the Tigers, who would buy you?
I appreciate your passion, I really do, but yes they are sweeping generalisations. I am sure you read a lot, so do I. Actually, yes, data is required to make such large claims.
The initial comment that I responded to was
no one respects us at all, we are generally considered a laughing stock to most clubs and players".
To make such a statement is to assume to know what clubs and players “generally” think, which is of course nonsense. At best, one could say “I have an impression that other clubs don’t respect us”. Still lacking in data but at the very least nobody can argue that you have developed an “impression” of something without claiming it to be factual.
Your latest comments “What THEY say and do”, “words and actions” - that’s just a generalised impression. How many players actually on record as disrespecting Tigers, thinking Tigers are a joke? Of all the players, how many? How many teams actually put in less effort in the weeks they play Tigers, or assume it is a “W” no matter what? How many teams skip video sessions, skip training sessions, rest players, “think about next week” when it’s a Tigers match? How many teams are traveling so well in 2021 as to not be particularly bothered with the lower-ranked sides?
Tigers should defeat Cowboys this week and yet there are Tigers fans worried about a “danger game”. Why is it that Tigers have danger games but other clubs apparently don’t? Why do Tigers need to respect all other sides but other clubs don’t apparently need to respect Tigers? Surely, at the very least, clubs like Newcastle, Bulldogs, Cowboys, Broncos, Manly, Warriors (that’s 40% of the clubs) take Tigers seriously. I am also sure I hear, with mundane regularity, talk from very many players and coaches about “respecting every side every week” and “never being complacent”.
I’m sure as hell Parramatta players and fans took Tigers VERY seriously when we scored back-to-back tries on Monday and got within 2 points. I can only speak to the Parra supporters around me who suddenly became very nervous with their teams inability to put the Tigers away, but I am going to assume it rippled around the stadium.
I don’t want people to misunderstand me either; I’m not rose-coloured glasses, I’m not claiming that Tigers are going fine or the club hasn’t had a horrendous run of non-success. I’m not satisfied as a supporter. But also, I recognise how complicated and slow progress can be (that’s not to say nobody else recognises this, it’s just how I approach being a fan). I can only be patient, that’s one of three options available to me: be patient, be/go mad, or quit. I get it, some fans choose to quit and I can understand that. Some fans choose to withdraw funds from the club - that part I can’t understand; voting with your wallet does nothing to promote success. Some fans don’t quit but spend the time feeling mad, and I get it.
But I’ve said it before, I used to support Balmain and in my 35 years of watching rugby league, the Tigers have only ever made the finals 7 times, 3 Grand Finals, 1 premiership. My Dad is 67 this year, he’s only ever seen two Tigers premierships his whole life. I accepted a long time ago that I support a club that hasn’t gone anywhere near a dynasty, so the best I can do is just hope for the best.
@BAGNF05 made some daft comment down this thread about being a “realist”, but let’s all be serious, there’s arguably nothing more realistic than acknowledging that Wests Tigers are not a successful club and not getting bogged down in external noise from other clubs or players.
On a separate note, I also find it psychologically interesting that some fans fixate on what other clubs think. It really shouldn’t matter. Not only can you not easily measure what “other people think”, it really shouldn’t matter to the output of a football team. Wins matter. Scores matter. Opinions don’t really matter. I don’t care about Paul Kent or Cooper Cronk or RCG or Brad Arthur. They can’t win football games for Wests Tigers.
In fact, I think it can be well argued that being overly concerned with outside opinions is a key risk for failure. If you believe an opponent doesn’t respect you, do you fire up and perform better, or do you capitulate too easily under the pre-conceived idea that your opponents think you are a joke? Is that itself just a form of projection? Is the truth actually that you think you are a joke, and you project that belief onto your opponents? Are Tigers players actually wracked with a lack of self-belief?
Far too much truth, honesty, intelligance and reality in this. Are you sure you are on the right Forum?
