How do players improve back in ISP???



  • I see people all the time stating that Kev, Brooks and several other players need to go spend time in ISP to learn how to defend. For the life of me I cannot see how that can be productive? ISP is a massive step down in intensity, quality and in particular, defence. If anything, time back there would likely make their defence worse as the whole league seems based more on attack and loose scorelines. I may be wrong, I am certainly no expert on the game. It just doesn’t make sense to me.



  • They can work on getting that aspect of their play right at a lower level of intensity.



  • Who said Brooks needs to improve his defense? I think that’s the one aspect of his game he has improved in.



  • I was just talking in general Upthetigers, I agree, he has been much better this year.
    I just don’t think it’s a plausible idea. I’m all for dropping underperformers and I imagine that it would provide them with a big reality check that should make them try harder when they come back but as for actually improving their defence I just can’t see it. They are playing against a much lower quality of competition and won’t be taxed nearly as much so they may look like they are defending better.



  • In the past, our reserve grade structure has been miles apart from what is going on in NRL and depending on what needed to be worked, very little was achieved. Players can find form down there in terms of individual football skills like ‘tackling’ or ‘finding the line’ etc, but they are less chance of improving team dominant skills like ‘defence’ and ‘concentration’. Good players can get to the point where ISP will achieve nothing for them and must do their apprenticeships in the NRL if they are going to improve. JJ Felise is a perfect example of this and if he cant get time in NRL, he should ask for a release to a club who will allow him this latitude.

    Ultimately, Its up to the club to ensure our structures are similar in ISP if we want to use it as a workplace to send players too improve. Winning in reserve grade should be of very little interest to NRL clubs!



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    I see people all the time stating that Kev, Brooks and several other players need to go spend time in ISP to learn how to defend. For the life of me I cannot see how that can be productive? ISP is a massive step down in intensity, quality and in particular, defence. If anything, time back there would likely make their defence worse as the whole league seems based more on attack and loose scorelines. I may be wrong, I am certainly no expert on the game. It just doesn’t make sense to me.

    I dont think people genuinely want them to go away and improve something. They just want them to go away. Its a throw away line.



  • Firstly, there are only 17 positions in the NRL team, so a few will miss selection.

    With a squad of 30, more players are now being exposed to the full time training regimes and the standard of competition in the ISP will lift.

    In terms of defence, going back to basics in defence and relearning technique can be achieved in the ISP.

    However, I am a bit cynical and suggest the ISP for established NRL players (such as Nofoaluma and SUe) is a market place where other clubs come to remedy deficiencies in their rosters. A look through Big League will confirm these two are probably the most experienced and talented in ISP. I would expect offers from other clubs (but I am a cynic).



  • ISP is a foundation for a player to show what he can offer the first grade team … case in point Milne he just wants to wait until he gets a chance his performance on the weekend seems to point to this …instead head down and the right attitude to stand out so the head coach has the option if need be .
    The ISP team seems to be well coached it is also about winning the culture of winning it is not so much what you are taught it is the physiological effect of being in a position to succeed to the next level JJ Felise will get his turn a good player but is he a better player than the one he could replace ?



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    Firstly, there are only 17 positions in the NRL team, so a few will miss selection.

    With a squad of 30, more players aroe now being exposed to the full time training regimes and the standard of competition in the ISP will lift.

    In terms of defence, going back to basics in defence and relearning technique can be achieved in the ISP.

    However, I am a bit cynical and suggest the ISP for established NRL players (such as Nofoaluma and SUe) is a market place where other clubs come to remedy deficiencies in their rosters. A look through Big League will confirm these two are probably the most experienced and talented in ISP. I would expect offers from other clubs (but I am a cynic).

    Are these 2 players better than the players they will replace ? If offers come well good luck to them see ya no biggy really .
    Mediocrity at our club seems over if players do not like it , the best possible players need to be selected every week if these 2 are good there in … if not suck it up in ISP.



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    I see people all the time stating that Kev, Brooks and several other players need to go spend time in ISP to learn how to defend. For the life of me I cannot see how that can be productive? ISP is a massive step down in intensity, quality and in particular, defence. If anything, time back there would likely make their defence worse as the whole league seems based more on attack and loose scorelines. I may be wrong, I am certainly no expert on the game. It just doesn’t make sense to me.

    I dont think people genuinely want them to go away and improve something. They just want them to go away. Its a throw away line.

    More about the player being promoted rather than the one relegated



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    I see people all the time stating that Kev, Brooks and several other players need to go spend time in ISP to learn how to defend. For the life of me I cannot see how that can be productive? ISP is a massive step down in intensity, quality and in particular, defence. If anything, time back there would likely make their defence worse as the whole league seems based more on attack and loose scorelines. I may be wrong, I am certainly no expert on the game. It just doesn’t make sense to me.

    I dont think people genuinely want them to go away and improve something. They just want them to go away. Its a throw away line.

    More about the player being promoted rather than the one relegated

    Yes thats the nature of it



  • Josh Addo Car agrees, he could barely get a game with Tigers even though he loved them so he left. Some players maybe it makes sense to let them get their confidence back, some players it doesn’t.



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    In the past, our reserve grade structure has been miles apart from what is going on in NRL and depending on what needed to be worked, very little was achieved. Players can find form down there in terms of individual football skills like ‘tackling’ or ‘finding the line’ etc, but they are less chance of improving team dominant skills like ‘defence’ and ‘concentration’. Good players can get to the point where ISP will achieve nothing for them and must do their apprenticeships in the NRL if they are going to improve. JJ Felise is a perfect example of this and if he cant get time in NRL, he should ask for a release to a club who will allow him this latitude.

    Ultimately, Its up to the club to ensure our structures are similar in ISP if we want to use it as a workplace to send players too improve. Winning in reserve grade should be of very little interest to NRL clubs!

    The major reasons you drop a player to reserve grade or ISP is to work on their weaknesses in a slightly easier environment and to get their confidence back

    If you drop them for any other reason its to give them a hint , their services won’t be required for the future , if you can find someone else that interested , go for it

    In Nofualuma’s case it could be the latter unfortunately , we are paying a fair bit of money for a bloke who seems to have an unfixable defensive issue and can be injury prone


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    In the past, our reserve grade structure has been miles apart from what is going on in NRL and depending on what needed to be worked, very little was achieved. Players can find form down there in terms of individual football skills like ‘tackling’ or ‘finding the line’ etc, but they are less chance of improving team dominant skills like ‘defence’ and ‘concentration’. Good players can get to the point where ISP will achieve nothing for them and must do their apprenticeships in the NRL if they are going to improve. JJ Felise is a perfect example of this and if he cant get time in NRL, he should ask for a release to a club who will allow him this latitude.

    Ultimately, Its up to the club to ensure our structures are similar in ISP if we want to use it as a workplace to send players too improve. Winning in reserve grade should be of very little interest to NRL clubs!

    The major reasons you drop a player to reserve grade or ISP is to work on their weaknesses in a slightly easier environment and to get their confidence back

    If you drop them for any other reason its to give them a hint , their services won’t be required for the future , if you can find someone else that interested , go for it

    In Nofualuma’s case it could be the latter unfortunately , we are paying a fair bit of money for a bloke who seems to have an unfixable defensive issue and can be injury prone

    1. Why would Cleary up his offer and pay a fair bit of money in the first place if he wasn’t going to be required.

    2. I don’t think you would let a player not involved in the game lead the victory song if you were trying to give them the hint they are no longer required do you…?

    Both scenario’s make no sense as do you the majority of the time. …



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    In the past, our reserve grade structure has been miles apart from what is going on in NRL and depending on what needed to be worked, very little was achieved. Players can find form down there in terms of individual football skills like ‘tackling’ or ‘finding the line’ etc, but they are less chance of improving team dominant skills like ‘defence’ and ‘concentration’. Good players can get to the point where ISP will achieve nothing for them and must do their apprenticeships in the NRL if they are going to improve. JJ Felise is a perfect example of this and if he cant get time in NRL, he should ask for a release to a club who will allow him this latitude.

    Ultimately, Its up to the club to ensure our structures are similar in ISP if we want to use it as a workplace to send players too improve. Winning in reserve grade should be of very little interest to NRL clubs!

    The major reasons you drop a player to reserve grade or ISP is to work on their weaknesses in a slightly easier environment and to get their confidence back

    If you drop them for any other reason its to give them a hint , their services won’t be required for the future , if you can find someone else that interested , go for it

    In Nofualuma’s case it could be the latter unfortunately , we are paying a fair bit of money for a bloke who seems to have an unfixable defensive issue and can be injury prone

    1. Why would Cleary up his offer and pay a fair bit of money in the first place if he wasn’t going to be required.

    2. I don’t think you would let a player not involved in the game lead the victory song if you were trying to give them the hint they are no longer required do you…?

    Both scenario’s make no sense as do you the majority of the time. …

    You’d think then he would be the 1st man picked then Geo ……


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