When siege mentality becomes victim mentality

Victim mentality: the belief that one is always a victim - the idea that bad things will always happen to one. Exhibit A: Ricky Stuart and the Canberra Raiders.

In the other corner, as responsible for their actions as a team you’ll ever see: Ivan Cleary’s Wests Tigers.

After only three rounds of the season, these teams are already world’s apart.

There was, if you remember, a time when Stuart had siege down to a fine art. Every once and a while his players bought in and before you knew it, Ricky’s boys were in a semi-final. But what happens when the siege is no more? You can’t play Steven Seagal running around a navy battleship picking off henchmen forever. At some point you have to come up for air.

Canberra are 0-3 to start 2018. Not because they’ve been wronged by referees but because siege has become victim. The players expect to lose now and they don’t even know it.

The Raiders have lost their three games by a combined total of five points. They should be 3-0. They’ve forgotten how to win because there’s no ownership - no responsibility. They led 19-12 against the Warriors on the weekend with a few minutes to play. Bam! Just like that! Shaun Johnson? End of story, Raiders.

What did Stuart do? While he played the siege card, we saw victim. He called out NRL CEO Todd Greenberg because the bunker fairly ruled no try on a Junior Paulo touchdown that would have given Canberra a 25-6 lead.

“It should’ve been 25-6 because that obstruction try was a try. We lost a game last week on an obstruction try that we thought was obstruction, but no it was a try,” Stuart said.

“We have not identified what’s an obstruction in this game. And I’ll get called a whinger and a sook, but that doesn’t worry me what people think and say about me.”

Siege, victim, siege.

But Peter Sterling quickly put him in his place the following day on The Sunday Footy Show.

“What Ricky needs to address is the fact they led by seven points with five minutes to go and allowed the Warriors to march 70 metres, twice, to get Shaun Johnson in field-goal range,” Sterling said.

"From the restart Lisone took it 20 metres until he met the defence and all of a sudden Shaun Johnson is only 25 metres out. And before that Isaac Luke scored the softest try you’ve ever seen.

“The contributing factor in so many ways, taking out the obstruction or no obstruction, was the Canberra Raiders inability to defend that lead late through their own poor play.”

Your winner, by knockout, Peter Sterling.

Then there’s the Wests Tigers.

Look at their team right now. Journeymen, veterans, toilers, NSW Cup rejects, ex-crims. Some would argue Canberra has double the talent in their side. Yet all we’re doing right now is admiring how committed the Wests Tigers are under Cleary.

No siege. No victims. They’re just getting on with it.
Embed from Getty Images


Wests Tigers were robbed in golden point last Friday against Brisbane at Campbelltown when Robbie Rochow was ruled offside handing the Broncos a 9-7 victory.

Did they kick stones?

“It seems to me Robbie was onside, but at the end of the day it was the ref’s decision and it’s out of our hands. I thought it was valiant effort,” Russell Packer said post-match.

“As Ivan said it just wasn’t good enough, but we showed a lot of grit and a lot of character in that game to fight back and take it to golden point.”

If things went differently on Friday, Wests could be 3-0 instead of 2-1. They’re playing for each other and they’re playing with the right attitude.

Canberra is just playing and waiting to blame someone.

To play the siege card from the start of the season is just asking for trouble. Stuart is yet to put any responsibility on his players. If they keep losing, it will soon be too late to put any kind of onus on the squad.

Then things could get really, really ugly for The Green Machine.

Maybe they could come up to Homebush on Monday and learn a few things from the Wests Tigers.


http://leagueunlimited.com/news/31468-when-siege-mentality-becomes-victim-mentality-why-the-raiders-are-almost-cooked-for-2018/

Positive media coverage

everyone jumping on the bandwagon now!

“Look at their team right now. Journeymen, veterans, toilers, NSW Cup rejects, ex-crims.” Way to cast a positive image lol. At least we’re getting some good feedback for being a cohesive and strong unit though… Still hoping we can shake this ‘reject’ image. Doubting that will happen even if we win the grand final. We’ll be compared to the Mighty Ducks 😃

@:

Positive media coverage

everyone jumping on the bandwagon now!

Well for this week anyway, but watch them jump if we hit a flat spot

@:

Positive media coverage

everyone jumping on the bandwagon now!

I wouldn’t say Curtis Woodward is media just a punter who writes for LU and the Roar his opinion pieces …he has been bagged from pillar to post on this forum over the years for negative WT opinion pieces…

None the less it highlights the differences in perspective…

@:

@:

Positive media coverage

everyone jumping on the bandwagon now!

I wouldn’t say Curtis Woodward is media just a punter who writes for LU and the Roar his opinion pieces …he has been bagged from pillar to post on this forum over the years for negative WT opinion pieces…

None the less it highlights the differences in perspective…

Any positive news is OK by me no matter who writes it as it will snowball! This time last year things were in the toilet and now actual positive articles are being written ,this has been a long time coming 😃

Winning fixes everything…

we need this week against Parramatta more than most realise

@:

@:

Positive media coverage

everyone jumping on the bandwagon now!

I wouldn’t say Curtis Woodward is media just a punter who writes for LU and the Roar his opinion pieces …he has been bagged from pillar to post on this forum over the years for negative WT opinion pieces…

None the less it highlights the differences in perspective…

Oh yeh now I remember, thought his name was familiar

We need to win by more than 10 this week. Taking nothing away from Wests we also could quite easily have been 0 & 3. We need to start scoring points

@:

We need to win by more than 10 this week. Taking nothing away from Wests we also could quite easily have been 0 & 3. We need to start scoring points

1 will do me just fine.

@:

@:

We need to win by more than 10 this week. Taking nothing away from Wests we also could quite easily have been 0 & 3. We need to start scoring points

1 will do me just fine.

Yep I’d be happy with a season 16-8 record and a negative for and against

You don’t have to draw a picture , just collect the two points and move on :sign:

@:

“Look at their team right now. Journeymen, veterans, toilers, NSW Cup rejects, ex-crims.” Way to cast a positive image lol. At least we’re getting some good feedback for being a cohesive and strong unit though… Still hoping we can shake this ‘reject’ image. Doubting that will happen even if we win the grand final. We’ll be compared to the Mighty Ducks 😃

Would love to see the “Flying V” down one of the flanks!

I would prefer that Ivan had a bit of sizzling Stuart in him re losing that last game. Ivan has that icy unflappable Ivan Lendl/Melania Trump attitude whereas I prefer pugnacious Mitch Moses type acting like Stormy Daniels’ lawyer laying down the law and breathing fire and brimstone.

@:

I would prefer that Ivan had a bit of sizzling Stuart in him re losing that last game. Ivan has that icy unflappable Ivan Lendl/Melania Trump attitude whereas I prefer pugnacious Mitch Moses type acting like Stormy Daniels’ lawyer laying down the law and breathing fire and brimstone.

I dont agree. Ivan was measured at the the press conference and put across his opinion quietly,next day the refs boss agreed it was a terrible decision.Vitriolic passion probably makes you feel better in the short term but often falls on deaf ears where it counts.We got a lot of support and sympathy from neutral supporters and commentators last week after the biased refereeing.
Lets hope for equal treatment in the future

It doesn’t matter how much positive media we get atm….we have earned a great deal of respect within the rugby league community this year …hopefully our year gets much better in regards to making the finals…

Recent Topics

Support our community by clicking here and joining our Forum Support Scheme

Can’t log in or access your account?
Send an email to contact@weststigersforum.com and we’ll get you back online.