‘I feel sorry for anyone who supports us’: Ivan Cleary vows to make changes at Penrith



  • We dodged a bullet with these two.

    Both father and so look terrible last night, and how good was it. 👋 👊 👍

    I hope karma keeps hurting the Riff forever.


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    I lol’d…

    Could be Wests Tigers or Pamfers fans…I dunno…



  • @Geo gotta love that and make an exception, even though as parents we would normally be abhorred.



  • Ryan Girdler launches extraordinary attack on ‘immoral, stupid’ Penrith Panthers

    https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/penrith-panthers-ryan-girdler-extraordinary-attack-ivan-cleary-phil-gould/d1c9fc86-1d22-4554-b7ee-029ea30e7b2b?ocid=Social-WWOS

    Panthers legend Ryan Girdler has given a devastating assessment of the club, calling its administration “immoral” and “stupid” while panning Ivan Cleary’s impact as coach.

    Girdler gave Penrith the brutal serve on Saturday, after the team was smashed 30-4 by Cleary’s old Wests Tigers side; a result that has them tied last with a 2-7 record despite expectations of premiership contention this season.

    Girdler spelled out a raft of problems, starting at the top with the controversial poaching of Cleary from Wests Tigers. He said that Cleary – signed in preference to iconic coach Wayne Bennett, who was offered up by now-redundant general manager Phil Gould – was recruited out of fear of losing his son Nathan Cleary, the Penrith and NSW halfback.

    Girdler also declared that both Clearys had been overpaid. It has been reported that with their combined salaries, plus payouts to sacked coach Anthony Griffin and Wests Tigers, it cost Penrith about $10 million to secure the father-son pair long-term.

    “I think you’ve got to talk about the senior administration. I think it’s an absolute mess at the moment,” Girdler said on Triple M NRL.

    “I think what they did in the off-season was immoral, in relation to approaching a guy [Ivan Cleary] that had just re-signed and started his tenure at another club.

    “I think they made decisions based around fear; fear of possibly losing a young player [Nathan Cleary]. Obviously Nathan carries a lot of that weight around now and he shouldn’t, because none of it is really his doing.

    “And I think they overpaid. I think they overpaid the halfback and I think they’ve overpaid the coach, based on fear. When you’re at that level and you’re making decisions based on fear, it generally doesn’t end well.”

    igning Cleary over Bennett has been pinpointed as the beginning of the end of Gould’s reign at Penrith, with chairman Dave O’Neill chasing and successfully installing Cleary; despite Bennett having won seven premierships and Cleary having previously been sacked from the Panthers by Gould. Girdler slammed the club for accelerating Gould’s redundancy.

    “I think to alienate a guy like Phil Gould … everyone’s got their own opinion of Gus, but to have a great footy mind like that involved in your club and then to have administration going away and making decisions basically knowing that’s going to force Gus’ hand into a redundancy, I think it’s just basic stupidity. I really do,” he said.

    Girdler said that although the players needed to take responsibility for poor results this season, the board and coach should feel the most heat.

    “I think the board need to be held accountable at some point, too. Because everyone’s looking at the players and the blowtorch is on those guys and Ivan’s going to feel it as well,” Girdler said.

    “He [Ivan Cleary] made a decision. I think when Ivan made a decision to come back under the circumstances in which he left the Tigers, he left himself opened up [to scrutiny and pressure]. They needed to perform this year, and they’re not.

    “So that’s going to bring added pressure and added heat from the journos, who are going to be asking those questions now. Ivan needs to know that that’s what’s going to happen, probably for the remainder of the year; and he’s got a five-year term.

    “I just think that the administration – Dave O’Neill, the guys on the board there – they need to be held accountable as well. As well as the players and as well as Ivan, because it takes a contribution from everyone that’s actively involved in the operation of this club to get themselves into this position.”

    Girdler, a 2003 premiership winner for Penrith, said that Cleary had so far failed to instill the Panthers with confidence, give them a solid game plan, or bring an identity to the team. With just 117 points through nine games, Penrith has the NRL’s second-worst attack, just three points better than the rebuilding Bulldogs.

    “The coach at the moment, I just don’t feel like there’s any confidence within the group,” Girdler said.

    “The main job for the coach obviously is to come in there, create a game plan and put systems in place where the players feel comfortable and confident, and have trust and faith within. There’s absolutely none of that at the moment.

    “But the biggest thing also … I haven’t seen Penrith create an identity for themselves under Ivan. I’d like to see, especially when they’ve got the football, I’d like to see a blueprint for their attack. I don’t think they have an attacking plan. They have nothing in place to fall back on when the s–t hits the fan, to be honest, and that’s what you need it [a gameplan] for.

    “Defence is a bit of an attitude and they certainly haven’t had their attitude right. But with the football, [Friday night] they got themselves into a position where they had a little bit of momentum after that start and three times I think, on the second tackle 10 metres out from the opposition line, they kicked the football. And it wasn’t to get a repeat set, because they just started the set; it was actually to try and come up with points and that for me screams of a side of desperation.

    “There was a stat that came up through the week that they’ve had more opportunities inside the other team’s 20-metre line than any other team in the competition, yet they’ve scored the least tries.”



  • This is all no surprise to me, I’ve never thought ivan could coach, when the coaching tug of war was on the media had this myth on a coaching pedestal up their with Bennett and Bellamy, he’s been found out at penrith, with a top roster, to be an average coach



  • Never carry out a review unless you know the outcome beforehand. This is all to take the heat of Cleary snr. Gould’s departure not doubt is a big loss,



  • Let’s not forget that the Chairman of the Panthers is Clearys mate that has giving him the pay day of all pay days !
    Never had much time for Gould but the Panthers management and club have shown how much they appreciated what he had done for them … and the same organisation showed the Weststigers club exactly the same respect NIL!
    The general footy public would be thinking all this negativity that has been thrust upon the Penrith club is well deserved .



  • @Tweed_Tiger said in ‘I feel sorry for anyone who supports us’: Ivan Cleary vows to make changes at Penrith:

    “There was a stat that came up through the week that they’ve had more opportunities inside the other team’s 20-metre line than any other team in the competition, yet they’ve scored the least tries.”

    This is from a team controlled by the current winning NSW halves, that get those opportunities on the back of a forward pack that continues to roll them into that position. Yet so many on here wanted to have our halfback replaced with either of them, along with most of their pack.

    You know, the one who missed out on the big award by a whisker and bolted in as half of the year under the same coach.

    Edit; and the player that should replace traitor junior at origin level after being overlooked for the hype and goalkicking last year. Put Keary alongside Luke and let them form a future for the Blues.



  • @Snake said in ‘I feel sorry for anyone who supports us’: Ivan Cleary vows to make changes at Penrith:

    Let’s not forget that the Chairman of the Panthers is Clearys mate that has giving him the pay day of all pay days !
    Never had much time for Gould but the Panthers management and club have shown how much they appreciated what he had done for them … and the same organisation showed the Weststigers club exactly the same respect NIL!
    The general footy public would be thinking all this negativity that has been thrust upon the Penrith club is well deserved .

    Cleary has got his hat two jobs from mates. Probably his last one though unless he had a mate at Penrith traffic control.



  • @formerguest said in ‘I feel sorry for anyone who supports us’: Ivan Cleary vows to make changes at Penrith:

    Edit; and the player that should replace traitor junior at origin level after being overlooked for the hype and goalkicking last year. Put Keary alongside Luke and let them form a future for the Blues.

    Who has the better halves - us or them ? I think we have the better halves. Cleary’s kicking game is unreal.



  • Cleary looks a broken man already, i guess the grass isnt always greener on the other side. Panther have dug themselves a massive hole i agree with Girdler.



  • @The_Doc
    The grass may be greener but you’ve still got to mow it!!

    Here’s the thing: all of us who are fathers have, one time or another, made a dud decision based on blind love. I’ve done it. Well Ivan’s love for his son has blinded him badly. No way, in such a high profile sport, should father and son be working together. Because of his blind love he has ruined his reputation as a man of values, exposed his fragility as a coach, caused Gould to walk away, damaged the success of panthers and severely exposed his son to unneeded stress and pressure which has led to poor form. Bad move Ivan, real bad move.



  • @Tiger_Steve said in ‘I feel sorry for anyone who supports us’: Ivan Cleary vows to make changes at Penrith:

    @The_Doc
    The grass may be greener but you’ve still got to mow it!!

    Here’s the thing: all of us who are fathers have, one time or another, made a dud decision based on blind love. I’ve done it. Well Ivan’s love for his son has blinded him badly. No way, in such a high profile sport, should father and son be working together. Because of his blind love he has ruined his reputation as a man of values, exposed his fragility as a coach, caused Gould to walk away, damaged the success of panthers and severely exposed his son to unneeded stress and pressure which has led to poor form. Bad move Ivan, real bad move.

    Nah, both traitor and son got exactly what they publicly stated they wanted and now they are living it.



  • @GNR4LIFE said in ‘I feel sorry for anyone who supports us’: Ivan Cleary vows to make changes at Penrith:

    @Cultured_Bogan said in ‘I feel sorry for anyone who supports us’: Ivan Cleary vows to make changes at Penrith:

    Sold his dignity to top up his sons contract. Ruined his reputation not just among Wests fans but most fans of the other 14 clubs that aren’t Penrith think he’s a treacherous germ.

    At the end of the day it’s enjoyable watching him squirm but he’s really locked up his and Nathan’s financial future for 5 years so he’s laughing.

    Yeah, you can only laugh to a certain point knowing the money they are both on. The best thing you can hope for is that he he has a horrible 5 years to the point his coaching career will be over at the end of it.

    And Nathan winning a Dally M award and his 2nd back to back premiership at the WT’s under Madge after he was booted by Penrith



  • Ivan you kept talking about getting to the bottom

    Well great news Iv …your 1 for and against point off doing that

    Then you will reach the bottom …

    You’ve almost got one KPI covered …how much are you on again Iv ??


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