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@twentyforty said in Luke Brooks:
@sleeve said in Luke Brooks:
Seriously, there is not a half in the world that would have looked good in the Tigers side last year.We had forwards who had little forward momentum and soft in defence.JA was our best and he was ok but not anything special.Our backline was lacking penetration and was slow.We had no fullback,no goalkicker,and a bunch of guys who would be lucky to survive in the CC comp,who we kept moving around on the hope they might make some impact.
I agree, JA was our best while Twal was out and in all honesty JA is a 14 or 15. Our inside backs were getting hammered. It’s a team sport. I think it’s a really good move by Madge to reinforce that it’s Brooks’ team before preseason. Brooks doesn’t get on the front foot and take authority so he needs to be given it so that he can accept it himself. That’s why I think he should be vc, and by the second half of the season we will be talking about a SoO spot for him.
Another thing I’ve noticed is that the NSW origin halves usually come from top 4, if not top 8 teams. Their form is correlated with team success. Playing for Tigers brooks has been Buckley’s chance of getting to that level.
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@twentyforty said in Luke Brooks:
Madge obviously sees something in Brooks that he can work with. He had a good look at Brooksy, obviously also had a good look at other halfbacks, then resigned him on a decent contract.
Agree Madge was the one that resigned him on a long term deal and this next season its time to deliver it will reflect poorly on both if we finish lower than 11th.
Forwards are better and younger players more experienced but they need a half that also can dictate plays.
I would have preferred to see Brooks dropped completely last season than retain a bench spot, seemed like it worked for Nofo the season prior.
At the moment will support Brooks but will be watching with Interest on how performs with no Marshall and weather expectations can be achieved, not confident on what i saw prior seasons but am hoping can deliver finally with some better forwards now signed.
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@Tigerbuck63 said in Luke Brooks:
@twentyforty said in Luke Brooks:
Madge obviously sees something in Brooks that he can work with. He had a good look at Brooksy, obviously also had a good look at other halfbacks, then resigned him on a decent contract.
Agree Madge was the one that resigned him on a long term deal and this next season its time to deliver it will reflect poorly on both if we finish lower than 11th.
Forwards are better and younger players more experienced but they need a half that also can dictate plays.
I would have preferred to see Brooks dropped completely last season than retain a bench spot, seemed like it worked for Nofo the season prior.
At the moment will support Brooks but will be watching with Interest on how performs with no Marshall and weather expectations can be achieved, not confident on what i saw prior seasons but am hoping can deliver finally with some better forwards now signed.
I think sometimes what you can find in a team made up mostly of plodders, or those marking time before their next move, is the few good players aren’t consistently good. It’s great to have some leadership and skill in the forwards and hopefully Brooks will appreciate the change. I’m still on the fence, but in the back of my mind I’m hoping that Brooks was marking time waiting for this positive change?
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@twentyforty said in Luke Brooks:
@Tigerbuck63 said in Luke Brooks:
@twentyforty said in Luke Brooks:
Madge obviously sees something in Brooks that he can work with. He had a good look at Brooksy, obviously also had a good look at other halfbacks, then resigned him on a decent contract.
Agree Madge was the one that resigned him on a long term deal and this next season its time to deliver it will reflect poorly on both if we finish lower than 11th.
Forwards are better and younger players more experienced but they need a half that also can dictate plays.
I would have preferred to see Brooks dropped completely last season than retain a bench spot, seemed like it worked for Nofo the season prior.
At the moment will support Brooks but will be watching with Interest on how performs with no Marshall and weather expectations can be achieved, not confident on what i saw prior seasons but am hoping can deliver finally with some better forwards now signed.
I think sometimes what you can find in a team made up mostly of plodders, or those marking time before their next move, is the few good players aren’t consistently good. It’s great to have some leadership and skill in the forwards and hopefully Brooks will appreciate the change. I’m still on the fence, but in the back of my mind I’m hoping that Brooks was marking time waiting for this positive change?
Well i never liked the fact that Benji would also dictate plays and demand the ball, especially when the game was on the line and it rarely worked as team mates did not know what play he was doing.
Bulldogs game last season Brooks demanded the ball and kicked a winning field goal want to see more in 2021.
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@Tigerbuck63 said in Luke Brooks:
@twentyforty said in Luke Brooks:
@Tigerbuck63 said in Luke Brooks:
@twentyforty said in Luke Brooks:
Madge obviously sees something in Brooks that he can work with. He had a good look at Brooksy, obviously also had a good look at other halfbacks, then resigned him on a decent contract.
Agree Madge was the one that resigned him on a long term deal and this next season its time to deliver it will reflect poorly on both if we finish lower than 11th.
Forwards are better and younger players more experienced but they need a half that also can dictate plays.
I would have preferred to see Brooks dropped completely last season than retain a bench spot, seemed like it worked for Nofo the season prior.
At the moment will support Brooks but will be watching with Interest on how performs with no Marshall and weather expectations can be achieved, not confident on what i saw prior seasons but am hoping can deliver finally with some better forwards now signed.
I think sometimes what you can find in a team made up mostly of plodders, or those marking time before their next move, is the few good players aren’t consistently good. It’s great to have some leadership and skill in the forwards and hopefully Brooks will appreciate the change. I’m still on the fence, but in the back of my mind I’m hoping that Brooks was marking time waiting for this positive change?
Well i never liked the fact that Benji would also dictate plays and demand the ball, especially when the game was on the line and it rarely worked as team mates did not know what play he was doing.
Bulldogs game last season Brooks demanded the ball and kicked a winning field goal want to see more in 2021.
Yes, that was a glimpse of Brooks we haven’t seen for a while. And he was really pumped too.
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@twentyforty said in Luke Brooks:
@Tigerbuck63 said in Luke Brooks:
@twentyforty said in Luke Brooks:
@Tigerbuck63 said in Luke Brooks:
@twentyforty said in Luke Brooks:
Madge obviously sees something in Brooks that he can work with. He had a good look at Brooksy, obviously also had a good look at other halfbacks, then resigned him on a decent contract.
Agree Madge was the one that resigned him on a long term deal and this next season its time to deliver it will reflect poorly on both if we finish lower than 11th.
Forwards are better and younger players more experienced but they need a half that also can dictate plays.
I would have preferred to see Brooks dropped completely last season than retain a bench spot, seemed like it worked for Nofo the season prior.
At the moment will support Brooks but will be watching with Interest on how performs with no Marshall and weather expectations can be achieved, not confident on what i saw prior seasons but am hoping can deliver finally with some better forwards now signed.
I think sometimes what you can find in a team made up mostly of plodders, or those marking time before their next move, is the few good players aren’t consistently good. It’s great to have some leadership and skill in the forwards and hopefully Brooks will appreciate the change. I’m still on the fence, but in the back of my mind I’m hoping that Brooks was marking time waiting for this positive change?
Well i never liked the fact that Benji would also dictate plays and demand the ball, especially when the game was on the line and it rarely worked as team mates did not know what play he was doing.
Bulldogs game last season Brooks demanded the ball and kicked a winning field goal want to see more in 2021.
Yes, that was a glimpse of Brooks we haven’t seen for a while. And he was really pumped too.
So was Mybe if i recall, and Benji gave a congratulations but you could also see that he preferred it would have been him.
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@twentyforty said in Luke Brooks:
@Tigerbuck63 said in Luke Brooks:
@twentyforty said in Luke Brooks:
Madge obviously sees something in Brooks that he can work with. He had a good look at Brooksy, obviously also had a good look at other halfbacks, then resigned him on a decent contract.
Agree Madge was the one that resigned him on a long term deal and this next season its time to deliver it will reflect poorly on both if we finish lower than 11th.
Forwards are better and younger players more experienced but they need a half that also can dictate plays.
I would have preferred to see Brooks dropped completely last season than retain a bench spot, seemed like it worked for Nofo the season prior.
At the moment will support Brooks but will be watching with Interest on how performs with no Marshall and weather expectations can be achieved, not confident on what i saw prior seasons but am hoping can deliver finally with some better forwards now signed.
I think sometimes what you can find in a team made up mostly of plodders, or those marking time before their next move, is the few good players aren’t consistently good. It’s great to have some leadership and skill in the forwards and hopefully Brooks will appreciate the change. I’m still on the fence, but in the back of my mind I’m hoping that Brooks was marking time waiting for this positive change?
I don’t think Brooks was waiting for anything. He has never had any excuses for his form, never been any, its always been fans making excuses for him.
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A dedicated Brooks thread that couldn’t even crack 40 pages after 8 months. This bloke can’t do anything right.
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@tigerbalm said in Luke Brooks:
A dedicated Brooks thread that couldn’t even crack 40 pages after 8 months. This bloke can’t do anything right.
Ok, let’s see how he goes with a big mobile pack of solid defenders and some speed out wide. It’s game on!
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@twentyforty said in Luke Brooks:
@tigerbalm said in Luke Brooks:
A dedicated Brooks thread that couldn’t even crack 40 pages after 8 months. This bloke can’t do anything right.
Ok, let’s see how he goes with a big mobile pack of solid defenders and some speed out wide. It’s game on!
It’ll probably be end game for him, if it doesn’t work.
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@TigerWest said in Luke Brooks:
@twentyforty said in Luke Brooks:
@tigerbalm said in Luke Brooks:
A dedicated Brooks thread that couldn’t even crack 40 pages after 8 months. This bloke can’t do anything right.
Ok, let’s see how he goes with a big mobile pack of solid defenders and some speed out wide. It’s game on!
It’ll probably be end game for him, if it doesn’t work.
I honestly think that’s all he has ever needed? That and maybe a Tommy Raudonikis/ Dain Gagai style motivation to kickstart his engine
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@twentyforty said in Luke Brooks:
Q. How do you turn a good player into an average player?
A. It can take a few years, but on a positive note, it’s something we have been good at.So you don’t put any onus on the player?
After what, 7 years, it’s all the clubs fault, is it?
Don’t think so.
The only fault of the club was to resign him for not delivering in attack, he has to be close to getting punted if he doesn’t deliver this year.
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@TigerWest said in Luke Brooks:
@twentyforty said in Luke Brooks:
Q. How do you turn a good player into an average player?
A. It can take a few years, but on a positive note, it’s something we have been good at.So you don’t put any onus on the player?
After what, 7 years, it’s all the clubs fault, is it?
Don’t think so.
The only fault of the club was to resign him for not delivering in attack, he has to be close to getting punted if he doesn’t deliver this year.
Madge re-signed him after 2018-2019 didn’t he…?
Arguably his two best years at the club. I’m reasonably confident he will have a break out year and he will make his doubters look silly -
@TigerWest said in Luke Brooks:
@twentyforty said in Luke Brooks:
Q. How do you turn a good player into an average player?
A. It can take a few years, but on a positive note, it’s something we have been good at.So you don’t put any onus on the player?
It’s all the clubs fault, is it?
Don’t think so.
I don’t think it’s fair to say that Brooks’ poor form rests on his shoulders alone. You may mount an argument that we are all masters of our own destiny, but at the same time, we all behave in accordance with the expectations of others. It’s in our DNA, and particularly so in a team environment. In a team sport, just as a coach can improve performance of a team and individuals in that team, it stands to reason that a coach (or poor club culture) can produce the opposite. As much as us fans get frustrated at a players poor performance when we know he has the skill, we need to acknowledge external influences and cultural expectation.
If your club operates without organisational discipline, pays overs for players at the end of their careers, mismanages the cap to the extent that it has to buy affordable plodders or unwanted players, then yes I do think that has an affect on club morale and consequently individual player performance.
