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Our biggest weakness is that we don’t have any proven NRL standard players. Everyone is a project. We don’t sign proven first graders who we just now will do a job and be reliable in their position. Every player we sign has a lot of work to prove themselves capable at this level. We can’t only signing young talent, they’ll need a few years to be consistent first graders, so why don’t we sign players who can be counted upon to slot straight in?
Laurie - doing very well, but has only played a handlful of games as a rookie and still improving various areas. Project.
Nof - Runs hard, sometimes, when he goes forward, sitll runs sideways far too much and his weakness in defence and under the high ball are world renowned. Project
Roberts - always been a hot and cold player, usually more hot in attack and cold in defence. This season he’s been cold in both. Can we actually play well for us? Project
Talau/BJ. Neither have had any impact on a game whatsosver. Both look slow and unfit. Talau been invisible and BJ trying to be invisible in defence. Both projects that need a lot of work
Kepaoa the kid is in all sorts right now. Body looks awful, needs time in NSW cup to regain skills and confidence
Doueihi - looking promising but still getting used to 5/8 needs to know when to run, and to add more kick variety. Still a work in progress in 5/8
Brooks. He’s the ultimate project. 150 games and his game hasn’t improved. His attack and kicking game is far worse than it was, though defence is better.
Musgrove - hasn’t played a lot due to injury and suspensions. attack looks ok, defence needs work
Liddle - obviosuly fitness and injury has been his biggest hurdle. can he play 80 mins and be effective in attack and defence at nrl level?
Tamou - signed to be our proven leader. Tries to lead by example but numbers are well down on last year. Not a project as such, but he’s got work to do to re-find his previous form.
Garner/Blore - Garner is just bog average. All or nothing in defence, doesn’t do dirty work and doesn’t threaten line much. Blore just hasn’t played. Potential is there but he’s got to get his body right
Luciano - Has improved but his defence is still his big weakness. Need to get more involved and still some questions about his effectiveness playing 80
Twal - He’s just not doing what we need him to. He’s played long enough to expect more. Does everything at walking pace. Works hard but zero impact in attack, and can’t be dominant in defence.Stefano - rookie
Mikaele - still improving his defence and hands
Joffa - has looked decent but needs to get more involved
Mbye - still doesn’t know what his position is after all this time.
Jake S - rookie
Tuki - rookie
Seyfarth - rookie
Amone - played a handful of first grade games
Cini - rookie
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@balmain-boy said in Too many project players:
Our biggest weakness is that we don’t have any proven NRL standard players. Everyone is a project. We don’t sign proven first graders who we just now will do a job and be reliable in their position. Every player we sign has a lot of work to prove themselves capable at this level. We can’t only signing young talent, they’ll need a few years to be consistent first graders, so why don’t we sign players who can be counted upon to slot straight in?
Laurie - doing very well, but has only played a handlful of games as a rookie and still improving various areas. Project.
Nof - Runs hard, sometimes, when he goes forward, sitll runs sideways far too much and his weakness in defence and under the high ball are world renowned. Project
Roberts - always been a hot and cold player, usually more hot in attack and cold in defence. This season he’s been cold in both. Can we actually play well for us? Project
Talau/BJ. Neither have had any impact on a game whatsosver. Both look slow and unfit. Talau been invisible and BJ trying to be invisible in defence. Both projects that need a lot of work
Kepaoa the kid is in all sorts right now. Body looks awful, needs time in NSW cup to regain skills and confidence
Doueihi - looking promising but still getting used to 5/8 needs to know when to run, and to add more kick variety. Still a work in progress in 5/8
Brooks. He’s the ultimate project. 150 games and his game hasn’t improved. His attack and kicking game is far worse than it was, though defence is better.
Musgrove - hasn’t played a lot due to injury and suspensions. attack looks ok, defence needs work
Liddle - obviosuly fitness and injury has been his biggest hurdle. can he play 80 mins and be effective in attack and defence at nrl level?
Tamou - signed to be our proven leader. Tries to lead by example but numbers are well down on last year. Not a project as such, but he’s got work to do to re-find his previous form.
Garner/Blore - Garner is just bog average. All or nothing in defence, doesn’t do dirty work and doesn’t threaten line much. Blore just hasn’t played. Potential is there but he’s got to get his body right
Luciano - Has improved but his defence is still his big weakness. Need to get more involved and still some questions about his effectiveness playing 80
Twal - He’s just not doing what we need him to. He’s played long enough to expect more. Does everything at walking pace. Works hard but zero impact in attack, and can’t be dominant in defence.Stefano - rookie
Mikaele - still improving his defence and hands
Joffa - has looked decent but needs to get more involved
Mbye - still doesn’t know what his position is after all this time.
Jake S - rookie
Tuki - rookie
Seyfarth - rookie
Amone - played a handful of first grade games
Cini - rookie
Madden - rookieI don’t suppose Hastings would change things
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Yep, even last night on 360 they were saying the best teams were settled and experienced. That’s not rocket science but is separating the top from the others.
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@balmain-boy said in Too many project players:
Our biggest weakness is that we don’t have any proven NRL standard players. Everyone is a project. We don’t sign proven first graders who we just now will do a job and be reliable in their position. Every player we sign has a lot of work to prove themselves capable at this level. We can’t only signing young talent, they’ll need a few years to be consistent first graders, so why don’t we sign players who can be counted upon to slot straight in?
Laurie - doing very well, but has only played a handlful of games as a rookie and still improving various areas. Project.
Nof - Runs hard, sometimes, when he goes forward, sitll runs sideways far too much and his weakness in defence and under the high ball are world renowned. Project
Roberts - always been a hot and cold player, usually more hot in attack and cold in defence. This season he’s been cold in both. Can we actually play well for us? Project
Talau/BJ. Neither have had any impact on a game whatsosver. Both look slow and unfit. Talau been invisible and BJ trying to be invisible in defence. Both projects that need a lot of work
Kepaoa the kid is in all sorts right now. Body looks awful, needs time in NSW cup to regain skills and confidence
Doueihi - looking promising but still getting used to 5/8 needs to know when to run, and to add more kick variety. Still a work in progress in 5/8
Brooks. He’s the ultimate project. 150 games and his game hasn’t improved. His attack and kicking game is far worse than it was, though defence is better.
Musgrove - hasn’t played a lot due to injury and suspensions. attack looks ok, defence needs work
Liddle - obviosuly fitness and injury has been his biggest hurdle. can he play 80 mins and be effective in attack and defence at nrl level?
Tamou - signed to be our proven leader. Tries to lead by example but numbers are well down on last year. Not a project as such, but he’s got work to do to re-find his previous form.
Garner/Blore - Garner is just bog average. All or nothing in defence, doesn’t do dirty work and doesn’t threaten line much. Blore just hasn’t played. Potential is there but he’s got to get his body right
Luciano - Has improved but his defence is still his big weakness. Need to get more involved and still some questions about his effectiveness playing 80
Twal - He’s just not doing what we need him to. He’s played long enough to expect more. Does everything at walking pace. Works hard but zero impact in attack, and can’t be dominant in defence.Stefano - rookie
Mikaele - still improving his defence and hands
Joffa - has looked decent but needs to get more involved
Mbye - still doesn’t know what his position is after all this time.
Jake S - rookie
Tuki - rookie
Seyfarth - rookie
Amone - played a handful of first grade games
Cini - rookie
Madden - rookieAnd nobody wants to play for ‘the projects’
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@barra said in Too many project players:
Yep, even last night on 360 they were saying the best teams were settled and experienced.
And the crux of the problem is the lower teams never get ‘settled and experienced’ because the richer teams will rape and plunder.
I don’t blame players who see dollar signs and quick success, it’s just the way of the NRL and will not change until there’s a shake up; be it a draft, player point system, greater loyalty discounts or whatever.
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I will back a recruitment approach that targets young projects like Laurie, Tuki, Simpkin, and Stefano, over a recruitment approach that targets ‘established players’ like Packer and Reynolds any day of the week.
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@barra said in Too many project players:
Yep, even last night on 360 they were saying the best teams were settled and experienced. That’s not rocket science but is separating the top from the others.
And when that’s your top 17/21 compared to the rest of the comp you do wonder why people get so frustrated (myself included) in our inconsistent results and lack of ability to take it to the big teams.
We have a roster for 2023.
People need to be realistic.
We were talking about it at the game how the Warriors rejects have ended up at Parra and are doing well. Well without the remaining few overpaid con artists (Packer especially) we may of been able to add some solid players to complement our youth.
But the reality is and I’m not sure on the figures but I’d say we’ve spent over 2mil of our cap on the players yet to debut or that have just cracked 1sts last year. So I’m not sure we have the spare cash to any decent experienced players. Our edges need fixing. We need to sign an experienced right side back rower that is top quality and has held form for a couple of years. ‘Capwell’ ‘Barnett’ ‘Nikora’ ‘Sironen’. In addition we need to sign a left centre of similar cred. -
@gallagher said in Too many project players:
@balmain-boy said in Too many project players:
Our biggest weakness is that we don’t have any proven NRL standard players. Everyone is a project. We don’t sign proven first graders who we just now will do a job and be reliable in their position. Every player we sign has a lot of work to prove themselves capable at this level. We can’t only signing young talent, they’ll need a few years to be consistent first graders, so why don’t we sign players who can be counted upon to slot straight in?
Laurie - doing very well, but has only played a handlful of games as a rookie and still improving various areas. Project.
Nof - Runs hard, sometimes, when he goes forward, sitll runs sideways far too much and his weakness in defence and under the high ball are world renowned. Project
Roberts - always been a hot and cold player, usually more hot in attack and cold in defence. This season he’s been cold in both. Can we actually play well for us? Project
Talau/BJ. Neither have had any impact on a game whatsosver. Both look slow and unfit. Talau been invisible and BJ trying to be invisible in defence. Both projects that need a lot of work
Kepaoa the kid is in all sorts right now. Body looks awful, needs time in NSW cup to regain skills and confidence
Doueihi - looking promising but still getting used to 5/8 needs to know when to run, and to add more kick variety. Still a work in progress in 5/8
Brooks. He’s the ultimate project. 150 games and his game hasn’t improved. His attack and kicking game is far worse than it was, though defence is better.
Musgrove - hasn’t played a lot due to injury and suspensions. attack looks ok, defence needs work
Liddle - obviosuly fitness and injury has been his biggest hurdle. can he play 80 mins and be effective in attack and defence at nrl level?
Tamou - signed to be our proven leader. Tries to lead by example but numbers are well down on last year. Not a project as such, but he’s got work to do to re-find his previous form.
Garner/Blore - Garner is just bog average. All or nothing in defence, doesn’t do dirty work and doesn’t threaten line much. Blore just hasn’t played. Potential is there but he’s got to get his body right
Luciano - Has improved but his defence is still his big weakness. Need to get more involved and still some questions about his effectiveness playing 80
Twal - He’s just not doing what we need him to. He’s played long enough to expect more. Does everything at walking pace. Works hard but zero impact in attack, and can’t be dominant in defence.Stefano - rookie
Mikaele - still improving his defence and hands
Joffa - has looked decent but needs to get more involved
Mbye - still doesn’t know what his position is after all this time.
Jake S - rookie
Tuki - rookie
Seyfarth - rookie
Amone - played a handful of first grade games
Cini - rookie
Madden - rookieI don’t suppose Hastings would change things
It would make as much difference as sacking Brooks.
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@tilllindemann said in Too many project players:
‘established players’ like Packer and Reynolds any day of the week.
It’s working for the Doggies…
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@balmain-boy said in Too many project players:
Our biggest weakness is that we don’t have any proven NRL standard players. Everyone is a project. We don’t sign proven first graders who we just now will do a job and be reliable in their position. Every player we sign has a lot of work to prove themselves capable at this level. We can’t only signing young talent, they’ll need a few years to be consistent first graders, so why don’t we sign players who can be counted upon to slot straight in?
Laurie - doing very well, but has only played a handlful of games as a rookie and still improving various areas. Project.
Nof - Runs hard, sometimes, when he goes forward, sitll runs sideways far too much and his weakness in defence and under the high ball are world renowned. Project
Roberts - always been a hot and cold player, usually more hot in attack and cold in defence. This season he’s been cold in both. Can we actually play well for us? Project
Talau/BJ. Neither have had any impact on a game whatsosver. Both look slow and unfit. Talau been invisible and BJ trying to be invisible in defence. Both projects that need a lot of work
Kepaoa the kid is in all sorts right now. Body looks awful, needs time in NSW cup to regain skills and confidence
Doueihi - looking promising but still getting used to 5/8 needs to know when to run, and to add more kick variety. Still a work in progress in 5/8
Brooks. He’s the ultimate project. 150 games and his game hasn’t improved. His attack and kicking game is far worse than it was, though defence is better.
Musgrove - hasn’t played a lot due to injury and suspensions. attack looks ok, defence needs work
Liddle - obviosuly fitness and injury has been his biggest hurdle. can he play 80 mins and be effective in attack and defence at nrl level?
Tamou - signed to be our proven leader. Tries to lead by example but numbers are well down on last year. Not a project as such, but he’s got work to do to re-find his previous form.
Garner/Blore - Garner is just bog average. All or nothing in defence, doesn’t do dirty work and doesn’t threaten line much. Blore just hasn’t played. Potential is there but he’s got to get his body right
Luciano - Has improved but his defence is still his big weakness. Need to get more involved and still some questions about his effectiveness playing 80
Twal - He’s just not doing what we need him to. He’s played long enough to expect more. Does everything at walking pace. Works hard but zero impact in attack, and can’t be dominant in defence.Stefano - rookie
Mikaele - still improving his defence and hands
Joffa - has looked decent but needs to get more involved
Mbye - still doesn’t know what his position is after all this time.
Jake S - rookie
Tuki - rookie
Seyfarth - rookie
Amone - played a handful of first grade games
Cini - rookie
Madden - rookieHowever, signing ‘experiened’ players was a disaster strategy e.g. Packer, Mbye, Raynolds, Ballin, Fanua, McQueen, Blare …
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@inbenjiwetrust said in Too many project players:
@balmain-boy said in Too many project players:
Our biggest weakness is that we don’t have any proven NRL standard players. Everyone is a project. We don’t sign proven first graders who we just now will do a job and be reliable in their position. Every player we sign has a lot of work to prove themselves capable at this level. We can’t only signing young talent, they’ll need a few years to be consistent first graders, so why don’t we sign players who can be counted upon to slot straight in?
Laurie - doing very well, but has only played a handlful of games as a rookie and still improving various areas. Project.
Nof - Runs hard, sometimes, when he goes forward, sitll runs sideways far too much and his weakness in defence and under the high ball are world renowned. Project
Roberts - always been a hot and cold player, usually more hot in attack and cold in defence. This season he’s been cold in both. Can we actually play well for us? Project
Talau/BJ. Neither have had any impact on a game whatsosver. Both look slow and unfit. Talau been invisible and BJ trying to be invisible in defence. Both projects that need a lot of work
Kepaoa the kid is in all sorts right now. Body looks awful, needs time in NSW cup to regain skills and confidence
Doueihi - looking promising but still getting used to 5/8 needs to know when to run, and to add more kick variety. Still a work in progress in 5/8
Brooks. He’s the ultimate project. 150 games and his game hasn’t improved. His attack and kicking game is far worse than it was, though defence is better.
Musgrove - hasn’t played a lot due to injury and suspensions. attack looks ok, defence needs work
Liddle - obviosuly fitness and injury has been his biggest hurdle. can he play 80 mins and be effective in attack and defence at nrl level?
Tamou - signed to be our proven leader. Tries to lead by example but numbers are well down on last year. Not a project as such, but he’s got work to do to re-find his previous form.
Garner/Blore - Garner is just bog average. All or nothing in defence, doesn’t do dirty work and doesn’t threaten line much. Blore just hasn’t played. Potential is there but he’s got to get his body right
Luciano - Has improved but his defence is still his big weakness. Need to get more involved and still some questions about his effectiveness playing 80
Twal - He’s just not doing what we need him to. He’s played long enough to expect more. Does everything at walking pace. Works hard but zero impact in attack, and can’t be dominant in defence.Stefano - rookie
Mikaele - still improving his defence and hands
Joffa - has looked decent but needs to get more involved
Mbye - still doesn’t know what his position is after all this time.
Jake S - rookie
Tuki - rookie
Seyfarth - rookie
Amone - played a handful of first grade games
Cini - rookie
Madden - rookieHowever, signing ‘experiened’ players was a disaster strategy e.g. Packer, Mbye, Raynolds, Ballin, Fanua, McQueen, Blare …
If they were signing on 200k deals then no one would have been complaining. Paying overs for someone’s ability is a problem that needs addressing, but signing players who are ready to start contributing to first grade right from the day they arrive is what we need to be striving for.
Val Holmes as a winger would be a good get for us, if were were paying on more than 500k. Isaih Papali’i would be handy. Matterson was a good example, albeit not the right character. We need more of those signings.
We need to be signing players coming into their primes, not just those who are past it or won’t get there for another few years. It’s about squad balance. You can’t have a team of Stefanos and blores running around.
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@inbenjiwetrust said in Too many project players:
@balmain-boy said in Too many project players:
Our biggest weakness is that we don’t have any proven NRL standard players. Everyone is a project. We don’t sign proven first graders who we just now will do a job and be reliable in their position. Every player we sign has a lot of work to prove themselves capable at this level. We can’t only signing young talent, they’ll need a few years to be consistent first graders, so why don’t we sign players who can be counted upon to slot straight in?
Laurie - doing very well, but has only played a handlful of games as a rookie and still improving various areas. Project.
Nof - Runs hard, sometimes, when he goes forward, sitll runs sideways far too much and his weakness in defence and under the high ball are world renowned. Project
Roberts - always been a hot and cold player, usually more hot in attack and cold in defence. This season he’s been cold in both. Can we actually play well for us? Project
Talau/BJ. Neither have had any impact on a game whatsosver. Both look slow and unfit. Talau been invisible and BJ trying to be invisible in defence. Both projects that need a lot of work
Kepaoa the kid is in all sorts right now. Body looks awful, needs time in NSW cup to regain skills and confidence
Doueihi - looking promising but still getting used to 5/8 needs to know when to run, and to add more kick variety. Still a work in progress in 5/8
Brooks. He’s the ultimate project. 150 games and his game hasn’t improved. His attack and kicking game is far worse than it was, though defence is better.
Musgrove - hasn’t played a lot due to injury and suspensions. attack looks ok, defence needs work
Liddle - obviosuly fitness and injury has been his biggest hurdle. can he play 80 mins and be effective in attack and defence at nrl level?
Tamou - signed to be our proven leader. Tries to lead by example but numbers are well down on last year. Not a project as such, but he’s got work to do to re-find his previous form.
Garner/Blore - Garner is just bog average. All or nothing in defence, doesn’t do dirty work and doesn’t threaten line much. Blore just hasn’t played. Potential is there but he’s got to get his body right
Luciano - Has improved but his defence is still his big weakness. Need to get more involved and still some questions about his effectiveness playing 80
Twal - He’s just not doing what we need him to. He’s played long enough to expect more. Does everything at walking pace. Works hard but zero impact in attack, and can’t be dominant in defence.Stefano - rookie
Mikaele - still improving his defence and hands
Joffa - has looked decent but needs to get more involved
Mbye - still doesn’t know what his position is after all this time.
Jake S - rookie
Tuki - rookie
Seyfarth - rookie
Amone - played a handful of first grade games
Cini - rookie
Madden - rookieHowever, signing ‘experiened’ players was a disaster strategy e.g. Packer, Mbye, Raynolds, Ballin, Fanua, McQueen, Blare …
Signed the wrong players, the only one out of that lot would be Blair, as he had been very good at manly but regressed here.
Titans got it right, went out and paid well for 2 young proven strike players
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@izotope said in Too many project players:
@inbenjiwetrust said in Too many project players:
@balmain-boy said in Too many project players:
Our biggest weakness is that we don’t have any proven NRL standard players. Everyone is a project. We don’t sign proven first graders who we just now will do a job and be reliable in their position. Every player we sign has a lot of work to prove themselves capable at this level. We can’t only signing young talent, they’ll need a few years to be consistent first graders, so why don’t we sign players who can be counted upon to slot straight in?
Laurie - doing very well, but has only played a handlful of games as a rookie and still improving various areas. Project.
Nof - Runs hard, sometimes, when he goes forward, sitll runs sideways far too much and his weakness in defence and under the high ball are world renowned. Project
Roberts - always been a hot and cold player, usually more hot in attack and cold in defence. This season he’s been cold in both. Can we actually play well for us? Project
Talau/BJ. Neither have had any impact on a game whatsosver. Both look slow and unfit. Talau been invisible and BJ trying to be invisible in defence. Both projects that need a lot of work
Kepaoa the kid is in all sorts right now. Body looks awful, needs time in NSW cup to regain skills and confidence
Doueihi - looking promising but still getting used to 5/8 needs to know when to run, and to add more kick variety. Still a work in progress in 5/8
Brooks. He’s the ultimate project. 150 games and his game hasn’t improved. His attack and kicking game is far worse than it was, though defence is better.
Musgrove - hasn’t played a lot due to injury and suspensions. attack looks ok, defence needs work
Liddle - obviosuly fitness and injury has been his biggest hurdle. can he play 80 mins and be effective in attack and defence at nrl level?
Tamou - signed to be our proven leader. Tries to lead by example but numbers are well down on last year. Not a project as such, but he’s got work to do to re-find his previous form.
Garner/Blore - Garner is just bog average. All or nothing in defence, doesn’t do dirty work and doesn’t threaten line much. Blore just hasn’t played. Potential is there but he’s got to get his body right
Luciano - Has improved but his defence is still his big weakness. Need to get more involved and still some questions about his effectiveness playing 80
Twal - He’s just not doing what we need him to. He’s played long enough to expect more. Does everything at walking pace. Works hard but zero impact in attack, and can’t be dominant in defence.Stefano - rookie
Mikaele - still improving his defence and hands
Joffa - has looked decent but needs to get more involved
Mbye - still doesn’t know what his position is after all this time.
Jake S - rookie
Tuki - rookie
Seyfarth - rookie
Amone - played a handful of first grade games
Cini - rookie
Madden - rookieHowever, signing ‘experiened’ players was a disaster strategy e.g. Packer, Mbye, Raynolds, Ballin, Fanua, McQueen, Blare …
Titans got it right, went out and paid well for 2 young proven strike players
Did they tho
Got belted by 2 semi decent teams and only beaten Cows and donkeys so far
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Where a club that is trying to claw its way out from close to the bottom.
The only way up is project players and youth as the paying overs for hasbeens and hoping they reproduce performances of bygone years has produced year after year of failure.
There is finally light at the end of the tunnel and if we as fans can hold our nerve there may even be sustained success that we as Tigers fans are not used to.
The Hartigan and Madge train has of late identified the pressing holes to fill and can only recruit those on the market (Stefano is the great exception).
Another season or 2 or recruitment and retention like this as well as a fix in the Halves is required.
Tigers Fans - hang in there.
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@spartan117 said in Too many project players:
Where a club that is trying to claw its way out from close to the bottom.
The only way up is project players and youth as the paying overs for hasbeens and hoping they reproduce performances of bygone years has produced year after year of failure.
There is finally light at the end of the tunnel and if we as fans can hold our nerve there may even be sustained success that we as Tigers fans are not used to.
The Hartigan and Madge train has of late identified the pressing holes to fill and can only recruit those on the market (Stefano is the great exception).
Another season or 2 or recruitment and retention like this as well as a fix in the Halves is required.
Tigers Fans - hang in there.
That’s true, but still points to us as not being competitive for another 1-2 seasons. Which is totally unacceptable. We need to make the 8 this season.
