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I’ll give you the 6 best I have seen in footage or live and take your pick
1 Mohammad Ali
2 Rocky Marciano
3 Joe Louis
4 Joe Frazier
5 Mike Tyson
6 Larry HolmesYou can add someone different if you like
From the six i have picked if they all fought against each other first at the top of their games and you were left with the two best records in my opinion you would have Tyson and Ali left and Ali to beat Tyson Just my opinion What is your opinion ??
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George Foreman is the glaring omission from your list. Destroyed Frazier twice and only got one shot at Ali where everything was stacked against him (Ali was still the deserving winner). I’ve never seen a more dangerous, stronger heavyweight. Foreman is much better than Tyson or Holmes (who whilst havng a good record was also fighting in an era where great boxers were light on). He should be number 2 at the very least. There is a reason why Ali never fought him again.
If you’re going to include Larry Holmes you may as well through Lennox Lewis who only dropped fights when he got lazy and avenged his losses. Also the older Klitchko. Boxing is not as strong now obviously but he seems unbeatable at peak form.
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George Foreman is the glaring omission from your list. Destroyed Frazier twice and only got one shot at Ali where everything was stacked against him (Ali was still the deserving winner). I’ve never seen a more dangerous, stronger heavyweight. Foreman is much better than Tyson or Holmes (who whilst havng a good record was also fighting in an era where great boxers were light on). He should be number 2 at the very least. There is a reason why Ali never fought him again.
If you’re going to include Larry Holmes you may as well through Lennox Lewis who only dropped fights when he got lazy and avenged his losses. Also the older Klitchko. Boxing is not as strong now obviously but he seems unbeatable at peak form.
Well I don’t really have a choice with Holmes When 3 of the 5 boxers on that DVD I mentioned in a previous thread reckon Holmes was the best I think he is a lay down misere
Foreman would of been 7th on the list I think Joe at his best would of taken Foreman as would of Joe Louis and Marciano due to greater speed -
@happy tiger:
George Foreman is the glaring omission from your list. Destroyed Frazier twice and only got one shot at Ali where everything was stacked against him (Ali was still the deserving winner). I’ve never seen a more dangerous, stronger heavyweight. Foreman is much better than Tyson or Holmes (who whilst havng a good record was also fighting in an era where great boxers were light on). He should be number 2 at the very least. There is a reason why Ali never fought him again.
If you’re going to include Larry Holmes you may as well through Lennox Lewis who only dropped fights when he got lazy and avenged his losses. Also the older Klitchko. Boxing is not as strong now obviously but he seems unbeatable at peak form.
Well I don’t really have a choice with Holmes When 3 of the 5 boxers on that DVD I mentioned in a previous thread reckon Holmes was the best I think he is a lay down misere
Foreman would of been 7th on the list I think Joe at his best would of taken Foreman as would of Joe Louis and Marciano due to greater speedAt his best? He was undefeated undisputed champion when they fought in Kingston. And this was well before Manilla. Joe, for whatever reason, couldn’t handle Foreman’s brute strength. And remember George only lost twice in his original career and one of them was when he was clearly not in a fit state to fight (he retired straight afterwards). Then the man comes back in his 40s, beats Moorer, goes the distance with Holyfield, and wins the belt again.
When was the DVD made? Larry Holmes was a top fighter but he was fighting a lot of bums (think Marvis Frazier rather than Joe) and then got slaughtered by Tyson. He only really made a name by beating Ali when Ali should never have taken the fight and then was obsessed with getting to 50-0 but loses to the lesser Spinks brother… twice!! Look at the people he was beating though - Gerry Cooney, Tim Witherspoon, Bonecrusher Smith, Leon Spinks - some decent fighters but hardly greats. Ken Norton was probably the only guy he beat in his prime who is worth getting excited about. Don’t get me wrong, I think Holmes was a good fighter, just not one of the top 5 of all time and certainly not in George Foreman’s league. George would have destroyed him.
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Incidentally Foreman made a lot more money from the grills than boxing!
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The DVD was called "Champions Forever " and was released originally in 1989 and rereleased in 2009
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I’m guessing then that some of the interviews were conducted when Holmes was in his prime (or just after). Well in any case I’d humbly disagree with their assessment!
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Butterbean!!! :slight_smile: jokes jokes
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You can add Dempsey, Tunney & Johnson to your list HappyTiger. Holyfield is a top 10 contender as well.
Hard to split Ali & Louis for greatest heavyweight.
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@happy tiger:
I’ll give you the 6 best I have seen in footage or live and take your pick
1 Mohammad Ali
2 Rocky Marciano
3 Joe Louis
4 Joe Frazier
5 Mike Tyson
6 Larry HolmesYou can add someone different if you like
From the six i have picked if they all fought against each other first at the top of their games and you were left with the two best records in my opinion you would have Tyson and Ali left and Ali to beat Tyson Just my opinion What is your opinion ??
Oh there they go. There they go, every time I start talkin 'bout boxing, a white man got to pull Rocky Marciano out their ass. That’s their one, that’s their one. Rocky Marciano. Rocky Marciano. Let me tell you something once and for all. Rocky Marciano was good, but compared to Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano ain’t shit.
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I’m guessing then that some of the interviews were conducted when Holmes was in his prime (or just after). Well in any case I’d humbly disagree with their assessment!
Holmes retired at the age of 37 in 1986
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@happy tiger:
I’m guessing then that some of the interviews were conducted when Holmes was in his prime (or just after). Well in any case I’d humbly disagree with their assessment!
Holmes retired at the age of 37 in 1986
For the first time maybe! Although he was retired it might explain why Tyson was able to beat him so easily in 1988!!!
He was actually still boxing in the 2000s
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Yeah knew that I think he had approximately 25 fights after initial retirment
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You can add Dempsey, Tunney & Johnson to your list HappyTiger. Holyfield is a top 10 contender as well.
Hard to split Ali & Louis for greatest heavyweight.
Holyfield should have stopped fighting 10 years ago at least. He’s an embarrassment these days. Another good boxer but got shown up against Bowe and Lewis. Definitely not in my top 10 of all time.
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You can add Dempsey, Tunney & Johnson to your list HappyTiger. Holyfield is a top 10 contender as well.
Hard to split Ali & Louis for greatest heavyweight.
Holyfield should have stopped fighting 10 years ago at least. He’s an embarrassment these days. Another good boxer but got shown up against Bowe and Lewis. Definitely not in my top 10 of all time.
I would rank Lennox Lewis above Holyfield to start with and Klistzcko
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