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@formerguest said in Latrell Mitchell Contract Discussion:

@2041 said in Latrell Mitchell Contract Discussion:

@PabloX said in Latrell Mitchell Contract Discussion:

@teddy23 said in Latrell Mitchell Contract Discussion:

4 years for 4.2 million and he plays fullback

Front load his contract as it seems we won’t be signing anyone else for 2020 with significant value

1.2 million - 2020
1 million - 2021
1 million - 2022
1 million - 2023

This would be great business

Especially if we can get the roosters to chip in

Why on earth would they do that?

To be fair, though not the same context, contractually, they will have already paid his November monies.

Yeah fair enough, I just can’t see how they would figure it makes sense to have the guy contracted on unders and pay him not to play for them.

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@balmain-boy said in Latrell Mitchell Contract Discussion:

So us offering a million is equivalent to other club offer maybe 700k. That’s how far behind the top clubs we are…

I like the way you make those numbers up out of whole cloth then use them as evidence for what you already believe.

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@PabloX said in Latrell Mitchell Contract Discussion:

@2041 said in Latrell Mitchell Contract Discussion:

@PabloX said in Latrell Mitchell Contract Discussion:

@teddy23 said in Latrell Mitchell Contract Discussion:

4 years for 4.2 million and he plays fullback

Front load his contract as it seems we won’t be signing anyone else for 2020 with significant value

1.2 million - 2020
1 million - 2021
1 million - 2022
1 million - 2023

This would be great business

Especially if we can get the roosters to chip in

Why on earth would they do that?

Because they’re desperate to get rid of him before 2020.

They don’t want all of his salary wasted playing for North Sydney.

Zero chance that happens. If he doesn’t sign elsewhere they’ll kiss and make up and he’ll be lining up in the centres by round three. Obvious mutual interest in making it work.

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@PabloX said in Latrell Mitchell Contract Discussion:

@teddy23 said in Latrell Mitchell Contract Discussion:

4 years for 4.2 million and he plays fullback

Front load his contract as it seems we won’t be signing anyone else for 2020 with significant value

1.2 million - 2020
1 million - 2021
1 million - 2022
1 million - 2023

This would be great business

Especially if we can get the roosters to chip in

Why on earth would they do that?

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Lots of people on here saying Mitchell “rejected” the Tigers’ first offer. From all the information we have, that’s not correct. The Tigers made an offer, Mitchell (or Mitchell’s advisors) dicked about trying to see if there was more money on offer elsewhere, the Tigers decided they didn’t want to wait and withdrew the offer. At this stage it seems both sides might be coming to the conclusion that they only have one realistic option, which is each other.

Arguably, the Tigers actually have the stronger position because it doesn’t look like Mitchell has anything else on the table but a season in reggies on much less money and trying his luck again in a year’s time. On the other hand, there doesn’t seem to be much else out there that will radically improve the Tigers roster. If I was Pascoe, I’d be saying to Mitchell (or his advisors): we know you don’t have much else out there but we’ll do the right thing and honour the original offer if you sign up now, get into training straight away and we don’t see any more nonsense in the media. 48 hours, take it or leave it.

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@Goanna57 said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@2041 said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@Goanna57 said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@2041 said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@Goanna57 said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@2041 said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@Spud_Murphy said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@Tcat said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@bbobb said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

I am not as worried as others regarding our inability to sign players. I suspect it’s a timing issue with our pursuit (and reported tentative agreement) with LM, we probably were too late for Lomax, Drinkwater etc. Their negotiations would have started some time ago and we obviously thought we had our target - alas we have missed the boat.

So in the absence of anything better, I would look to front end so see contracts so our war chest next year is massive.

The key to this ‘war chest’ is making the 8 in 2020. Atm, no one wants to come here because of inability to play finals football. We need to make the 8 as of next year and this is critical for us attracting the right players when all this $$ becomes available.

No offence meant to you in particular Tcat, but I’m sick of hearing that nobody wants to come to WT because we rarely make the 8 etc. Mate, I’ve seen players willingly sign with clubs that regularly finish below us on the ladder and perform far worse than us most years, so I really don’t think us not making the 8 is an issue.

We are on the cusp of making the finals nearly every year, we never finish out of contention or dead last. Perhaps if just one or two of these ‘top’ players came to play with us they could actually help us to become a regular top 8 team and real Premiership threat! You would think that it would be an incentive and a challenge to be part of a team that is on the verge of lifting itself to become one of the better teams in the comp, but they seem to have absolutely no foresight at all.

Couldn’t agree more. The people who say “no-one will sign for us because we haven’t been playing finals” don’t seem to be aware of any other clubs. Not playing finals didn’t stop Klemmer and Ponga signing for Newcastle, or RTS for the Warriors, or Valentine Holmes for the Cowboys. Wanna guess Souths’ last three finishes before they signed Inglis? 14th, 10th, 9th. Mitchell himself might end up at the Titans FFS.

If a club doesn’t seem like a total basket case and offers the best deal, players will go there. It’s as simple as that.

That’s all true but how many clubs have gone 8 straight seasons without making the finals

RTS signed for the Warriors before the 2016 season and they hadn’t played finals since 2011.
Inglis signed for Souths after they’d missed the finals for three straight years.
Klemmer and Ponga signed for the Knights after three straight wooden spoons.

Do you think there’s a magic number after which players say to their agents “oh no, they haven’t been in the finals for X years, I’d rather sign anywhere than there”?

That’s all good info still doesn’t equate to 8 straight

I don’t think there’s anything to add here. If you don’t think players signing for the Knights off the back of three consecutive wooden spoons clearly demonstrates that players will sign for anyone who offers the best contract you are obviously not going to listen to anything. Have a good evening.

I whould like to add something.i was just giving my opinion there’s no right or wrong it’s just an opinion.I may not agree with your opinion but I respect your right to have one ,but it seems respect is a one way street

I absolutely respect your right to have an opinion. I’m just telling you it doesn’t make sense.

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@Goanna57 said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@2041 said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@Goanna57 said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@2041 said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@Spud_Murphy said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@Tcat said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@bbobb said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

I am not as worried as others regarding our inability to sign players. I suspect it’s a timing issue with our pursuit (and reported tentative agreement) with LM, we probably were too late for Lomax, Drinkwater etc. Their negotiations would have started some time ago and we obviously thought we had our target - alas we have missed the boat.

So in the absence of anything better, I would look to front end so see contracts so our war chest next year is massive.

The key to this ‘war chest’ is making the 8 in 2020. Atm, no one wants to come here because of inability to play finals football. We need to make the 8 as of next year and this is critical for us attracting the right players when all this $$ becomes available.

No offence meant to you in particular Tcat, but I’m sick of hearing that nobody wants to come to WT because we rarely make the 8 etc. Mate, I’ve seen players willingly sign with clubs that regularly finish below us on the ladder and perform far worse than us most years, so I really don’t think us not making the 8 is an issue.

We are on the cusp of making the finals nearly every year, we never finish out of contention or dead last. Perhaps if just one or two of these ‘top’ players came to play with us they could actually help us to become a regular top 8 team and real Premiership threat! You would think that it would be an incentive and a challenge to be part of a team that is on the verge of lifting itself to become one of the better teams in the comp, but they seem to have absolutely no foresight at all.

Couldn’t agree more. The people who say “no-one will sign for us because we haven’t been playing finals” don’t seem to be aware of any other clubs. Not playing finals didn’t stop Klemmer and Ponga signing for Newcastle, or RTS for the Warriors, or Valentine Holmes for the Cowboys. Wanna guess Souths’ last three finishes before they signed Inglis? 14th, 10th, 9th. Mitchell himself might end up at the Titans FFS.

If a club doesn’t seem like a total basket case and offers the best deal, players will go there. It’s as simple as that.

That’s all true but how many clubs have gone 8 straight seasons without making the finals

RTS signed for the Warriors before the 2016 season and they hadn’t played finals since 2011.
Inglis signed for Souths after they’d missed the finals for three straight years.
Klemmer and Ponga signed for the Knights after three straight wooden spoons.

Do you think there’s a magic number after which players say to their agents “oh no, they haven’t been in the finals for X years, I’d rather sign anywhere than there”?

That’s all good info still doesn’t equate to 8 straight

I don’t think there’s anything to add here. If you don’t think players signing for the Knights off the back of three consecutive wooden spoons clearly demonstrates that players will sign for anyone who offers the best contract you are obviously not going to listen to anything. Have a good evening.

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@avocadoontoast said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@2041 said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

I’m basing my view on things that I know happened. The NRL leaks like a sieve for goodness’ sake - you think that if we’d had a big bid in for Josh Dugan or Ben Hunt in the 2017-18 off-season no-one would ever have heard a whiff of it?

I’m quite sure we don’t know everything.

So basically your view that no quality players will ever sign for the Tigers is based on their failure to sign mysterious, unnamed players you assume they’ve approached but about whom but no news or even rumours of approaches have ever been heard, plus Lattrell Mitchell who also didn’t sign for the Roosters and as of now hasn’t signed for anyone. It’s not a great case, let’s be fair.

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@Goanna57 said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@2041 said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@Spud_Murphy said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@Tcat said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@bbobb said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

I am not as worried as others regarding our inability to sign players. I suspect it’s a timing issue with our pursuit (and reported tentative agreement) with LM, we probably were too late for Lomax, Drinkwater etc. Their negotiations would have started some time ago and we obviously thought we had our target - alas we have missed the boat.

So in the absence of anything better, I would look to front end so see contracts so our war chest next year is massive.

The key to this ‘war chest’ is making the 8 in 2020. Atm, no one wants to come here because of inability to play finals football. We need to make the 8 as of next year and this is critical for us attracting the right players when all this $$ becomes available.

No offence meant to you in particular Tcat, but I’m sick of hearing that nobody wants to come to WT because we rarely make the 8 etc. Mate, I’ve seen players willingly sign with clubs that regularly finish below us on the ladder and perform far worse than us most years, so I really don’t think us not making the 8 is an issue.

We are on the cusp of making the finals nearly every year, we never finish out of contention or dead last. Perhaps if just one or two of these ‘top’ players came to play with us they could actually help us to become a regular top 8 team and real Premiership threat! You would think that it would be an incentive and a challenge to be part of a team that is on the verge of lifting itself to become one of the better teams in the comp, but they seem to have absolutely no foresight at all.

Couldn’t agree more. The people who say “no-one will sign for us because we haven’t been playing finals” don’t seem to be aware of any other clubs. Not playing finals didn’t stop Klemmer and Ponga signing for Newcastle, or RTS for the Warriors, or Valentine Holmes for the Cowboys. Wanna guess Souths’ last three finishes before they signed Inglis? 14th, 10th, 9th. Mitchell himself might end up at the Titans FFS.

If a club doesn’t seem like a total basket case and offers the best deal, players will go there. It’s as simple as that.

That’s all true but how many clubs have gone 8 straight seasons without making the finals

RTS signed for the Warriors before the 2016 season and they hadn’t played finals since 2011.
Inglis signed for Souths after they’d missed the finals for three straight years.
Klemmer and Ponga signed for the Knights after three straight wooden spoons.

Do you think there’s a magic number after which players say to their agents “oh no, they haven’t been in the finals for X years, I’d rather sign anywhere than there”?

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@ElleryHanley said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@2041 said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@ElleryHanley said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@2041 said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@avocadoontoast said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@2041 said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

’m afraid it’s not something you can choose to disagree with because it’s not an opinion. We signed Josh Reynolds, Russell Packer and Ben Matulino before the 2018 season.

It is an opinion. I don’t consider the three you mentioned to be particularly high profile players. Reynolds was discarded by the Dogs, Packer has a high profile for non playing reasons, and Matulino was past his best. The only thing high profile about them was what they were getting paid.

100% selective memory on your part. The Dogs’ cap was knackered so they couldn’t make Reynolds an offer (also, every single free agent who moves clubs presumably didn’t get a better offer from the club they were previously at). Packer was coming off a massive season with the Dragons where he’d been talked up all year, also gettin recalled by NZ mid-way through the 2017 season and playing every game for them in that year’s world cup. Matulino was lower profile but highly rated, and he was 28 - no reason to think he’d be past his best.

You’re also refusing to engage with the main point I’m making: we didn’t get turned down by other major free agents in 2017-18, which was - again - the only other time we’ve had money to spend in pre-season for the past decade. Look at the list: who were the players we pursued that wouldn’t sign for us? We signed badly (as did basically everyone else who acquired high-profile free agents that year). That’s not the same thing as players not wanting to sign for us.

re Packer, he had broken down mid season for Saints (after a very good first half of the season). Legend has it Mary and the Saints staff all got up and clapped when he announced his deal with us (as they were so happy he had made his fortune after being in jail). Saints offer was about 400…ours was 650 plus.

That off season, yes, we did get players to come…but we paid massive overs for Josh and Packer. Not just “overs”, but massive.

And we added a fourth year to their deals…just to make sure. Josh Reynolds, with a history of hammys, four years.

It was absolutely irresponsible from Cleary and Pascoe (who sat, smiled and signed off on it all)

I do not care if we finish last in 2020 as long as we never do that again.

Yes, throw overs at the absolute elite if you can get a current origin player…

But never, ever, throw massive overs again at broken down players past their primes.

To be clear, I don’t disagree with any of this. All I’m saying is that there’s a difference between (a) the Tigers have signed badly when they have had resources available, and (b) good players won’t sign for the Tigers. They could both be true, but what I’m saying is that while we know (a) is true we really don’t have any evidence of (b).

Re B, I have been a supporter for 40 years and we have never been able to sign elite talent (other than Poms looking for a chance)

I know that is not empirical, but it does seem clear elite players do not want to join us.

When was the last time we signed a current Kangaroo?

Edit: adding to that, when was the last time we also signed a current Origin player?

It might seem like that but, again, I think most of it comes down to not having any money (pre merger) or mismanaging the salary cap so there is never any money to spend (last decade or so).

This “no-one will ever sign for us” stuff is nonsense on its face. Why would players refuse to sign for the Tigers yet happily sign up to success machines like the Titans, Warriors and Knights? If you offer the best deal, players will sign. Maybe the Tigers have to offer a few more bucks than the Storm or Broncos, but that’s hardly unique. How easy do you think it is for the Raiders to persuade free agents to move there?

The bottom line is that the Tigers have just hardly ever been in a position to offer top-flight players the best deal - and when they have they’ve targeted the wrong people.