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@weststigerman said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@avocadoontoast said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@finnzo said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

Jwh would be The perfect signing

Taukeiaho would be better imo.

We’ve drifted off to fairyland again. Neither are off contract.

@weststigerman said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@avocadoontoast said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@finnzo said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

Jwh would be The perfect signing

Taukeiaho would be better imo.

We’ve drifted off to fairyland again. Neither are off contract.

Contracts mean nothing.
If anything, we are proof of that.

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@pawsandclaws1 said in Madge vs JT vs Potter vs Cleary:

@bigsiro said in Madge vs JT vs Potter vs Cleary:

@pawsandclaws1 said in Madge vs JT vs Potter vs Cleary:

@bigsiro said in Madge vs JT vs Potter vs Cleary:

@pawsandclaws1 said in Madge vs JT vs Potter vs Cleary:

@bigsiro said in Madge vs JT vs Potter vs Cleary:

@facepalmer said in Madge vs JT vs Potter vs Cleary:

Nobody wanted to lose Cleary. I think everyone was “on the bus” right up til it was clear he wasn’t and it blindsided everybody. The reason he’s so maligned is because how much promise we had with him. It’s easy to say he sucks with hindsight but his signings hadn’t completely proven to be duds by then and also if we kept him I’d say we’d currently have Nathan Cleary in our side and who knows who else.

So yeah I’d have preferred to have kept Cleary. I think we’d be in a better spot right now. But also Madge has my support. He’s a good coach with a tough job ahead of him and needs all the support he can get. I don’t see any value in churning yet another coach because our club is such a basket case. Give him at least 3, maybe 4 years. Nobody else is gonna come in next year or the year after and immediately “put their stamp” on the joint. I’d say give him til the season after Mbye’s contract us up personally.

I think this is true, except that we were never getting Nathan - and as soon as that became evident it was a matter of time for Ivan.
We needed to go all in for Nathan.
Bloody Brooks. 🤦

Brooks played very well under Ivan. Ivan gets the best from his Panther halves. He also has strong interpersonal skills. I would think Maguire needs to learn from Ivan in this aspect of coaching.

While I’m at it, i’ll also suggest we need to look. at the style of football we play. Johns hit on it a few weeks ago when on 9 he said WTs won’t make the finals because the style of football played is physically demanding.

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Strong interpersonal skills.
Now I have heard it all. Jeez some people have short memories

It’s a fact.

Are you referring to the time that he text message to some players when he decided to jump ship

His decisions surrounding his contractual issue are a separate matter.

Clearly during the season he had the team performing well with two victories against the Storm and Brooks on fire.

Seriously paws stop

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@pawsandclaws1 said in Madge vs JT vs Potter vs Cleary:

@bigsiro said in Madge vs JT vs Potter vs Cleary:

@pawsandclaws1 said in Madge vs JT vs Potter vs Cleary:

@bigsiro said in Madge vs JT vs Potter vs Cleary:

@facepalmer said in Madge vs JT vs Potter vs Cleary:

Nobody wanted to lose Cleary. I think everyone was “on the bus” right up til it was clear he wasn’t and it blindsided everybody. The reason he’s so maligned is because how much promise we had with him. It’s easy to say he sucks with hindsight but his signings hadn’t completely proven to be duds by then and also if we kept him I’d say we’d currently have Nathan Cleary in our side and who knows who else.

So yeah I’d have preferred to have kept Cleary. I think we’d be in a better spot right now. But also Madge has my support. He’s a good coach with a tough job ahead of him and needs all the support he can get. I don’t see any value in churning yet another coach because our club is such a basket case. Give him at least 3, maybe 4 years. Nobody else is gonna come in next year or the year after and immediately “put their stamp” on the joint. I’d say give him til the season after Mbye’s contract us up personally.

I think this is true, except that we were never getting Nathan - and as soon as that became evident it was a matter of time for Ivan.
We needed to go all in for Nathan.
Bloody Brooks. 🤦

Brooks played very well under Ivan. Ivan gets the best from his Panther halves. He also has strong interpersonal skills. I would think Maguire needs to learn from Ivan in this aspect of coaching.

While I’m at it, i’ll also suggest we need to look. at the style of football we play. Johns hit on it a few weeks ago when on 9 he said WTs won’t make the finals because the style of football played is physically demanding.

Are all the posts for a forward leader may be related?

Strong interpersonal skills.
Now I have heard it all. Jeez some people have short memories

It’s a fact.

Are you referring to the time that he text message to some players when he decided to jump ship

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@Jedi_Tiger said in Madge vs JT vs Potter vs Cleary:

Ivan is a good coach not great morals but credit to him a s acoach he is better than Maguire

Perhaps you mean that Ivan is it better tactician? But a proper coach is more than just a tactician.

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@pawsandclaws1 said in Madge vs JT vs Potter vs Cleary:

@bigsiro said in Madge vs JT vs Potter vs Cleary:

@facepalmer said in Madge vs JT vs Potter vs Cleary:

Nobody wanted to lose Cleary. I think everyone was “on the bus” right up til it was clear he wasn’t and it blindsided everybody. The reason he’s so maligned is because how much promise we had with him. It’s easy to say he sucks with hindsight but his signings hadn’t completely proven to be duds by then and also if we kept him I’d say we’d currently have Nathan Cleary in our side and who knows who else.

So yeah I’d have preferred to have kept Cleary. I think we’d be in a better spot right now. But also Madge has my support. He’s a good coach with a tough job ahead of him and needs all the support he can get. I don’t see any value in churning yet another coach because our club is such a basket case. Give him at least 3, maybe 4 years. Nobody else is gonna come in next year or the year after and immediately “put their stamp” on the joint. I’d say give him til the season after Mbye’s contract us up personally.

I think this is true, except that we were never getting Nathan - and as soon as that became evident it was a matter of time for Ivan.
We needed to go all in for Nathan.
Bloody Brooks. 🤦

Brooks played very well under Ivan. Ivan gets the best from his Panther halves. He also has strong interpersonal skills. I would think Maguire needs to learn from Ivan in this aspect of coaching.

While I’m at it, i’ll also suggest we need to look. at the style of football we play. Johns hit on it a few weeks ago when on 9 he said WTs won’t make the finals because the style of football played is physically demanding.

Are all the posts for a forward leader may be related?

Strong interpersonal skills.
Now I have heard it all. Jeez some people have short memories

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We need to get three players at once. We need that to start a revolution here.
Players exactly like Taukeiaho, Staggs, Pangai.
Halfback is a weak position across the league so I’d look to juniors or UK to get a new 7 in.

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@jirskyr said in A crucial period for Madge...:

@hobbo1 said in A crucial period for Madge...:

@jirskyr said in A crucial period for Madge...:

@GNR4LIFE said in A crucial period for Madge...:

@avocadoontoast said in A crucial period for Madge...:

@JoshColeman99 said in A crucial period for Madge...:

@tony-soprano said in A crucial period for Madge...:

@JoshColeman99 said in A crucial period for Madge...:

@tony-soprano said in A crucial period for Madge...:

He can’t coach

His two premierships disagree

Anyone could of won with that Souths team then players turned on him which our players are now doing train hard play half asleep

The Souths team that he built? Yeah he won a premiership with them. Also won a premiership in Wigan their first in decades. He knows how to make a premiership winning team unfortunately it’s a lot harder and slower a process here than at other clubs

He did a great job at Souths but I’m not sure he built them. Burgess and Inglis we’re already there. Nice base to start from.

Souths were nearly there when he arrived. They just needed a push.

What rubbish. Souths haven’t won squat before or after Madge.

Souths failed to make the 8 under Madges final 2 seasons with them .
GNR is correct

I don’t get it.

Quote was that Souths were “nearly there” when Madge arrived. I said that Souths haven’t won anything before or since Madge was coach.

In the 4 seasons prior to Madge Souths finished 14th, 10th, 9th, 10th (2008-2011); two years with JT and two with Johnny Lang. Madge began in 2012, first year with him they finished 3rd. Following 3 years they made the finals including the 2014 premiership. Last two years 12th.

Before Madge Souths made the finals once since 1989 (JT in 2007). That’s a Tiger-esque run of failure to play finals football. Since Madge became head coach they’ve only missed the finals twice in 8 seasons.

So if you have a club that makes the finals once in their first 10 years of the NRL era, wins 3 wooden spoons, then a new coach gets them to four consecutive finals in his first 4 years, including a premiership, I think that’s a pretty straightforward argument to tell you what an impact he had at that club. You can point at the roster or whatever, but if a coach is responsible for the performances, that includes wins and losses. And if someone is arguing that the reason Madge was successful with Souths was because they already had a decent roster, again that argument fits for Tigers, because we don’t have much of a roster, and I’d be keen to see what Madge could do with a better set of players.

The fact that Souths now feature regularly in finals football still reflects well on the coach that first made them a premiership threat. And not a Souths fan alive that doesn’t respect and love what Madge achieved for the club.

Could not agree more.
“a crucial period for Madge” is a load of crap. It ain’t.
Like @Geo said there is no pressure on Madge (at least not for now…)

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@facepalmer said in Madge vs JT vs Potter vs Cleary:

Nobody wanted to lose Cleary. I think everyone was “on the bus” right up til it was clear he wasn’t and it blindsided everybody. The reason he’s so maligned is because how much promise we had with him. It’s easy to say he sucks with hindsight but his signings hadn’t completely proven to be duds by then and also if we kept him I’d say we’d currently have Nathan Cleary in our side and who knows who else.

So yeah I’d have preferred to have kept Cleary. I think we’d be in a better spot right now. But also Madge has my support. He’s a good coach with a tough job ahead of him and needs all the support he can get. I don’t see any value in churning yet another coach because our club is such a basket case. Give him at least 3, maybe 4 years. Nobody else is gonna come in next year or the year after and immediately “put their stamp” on the joint. I’d say give him til the season after Mbye’s contract us up personally.

I think this is true, except that we were never getting Nathan - and as soon as that became evident it was a matter of time for Ivan.
We needed to go all in for Nathan.
Bloody Brooks. 🤦

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@JoshColeman99 said in A crucial period for Madge...:

@hobbo1 said in A crucial period for Madge...:

@851 said in A crucial period for Madge...:

@JoshColeman99 said in A crucial period for Madge...:

@ElleryHanley said in A crucial period for Madge...:

Just watched the presser…disappointing to be honest. “We need to learn how to control momentum…do all the little things…completions…etc”.

Reality is we have beaten no one above us. Reality is Newcastle are a 7th / 8th place type team and they have beaten us 40 + TWICE.

We need to realise where we really are.

He’s not wrong though. Errors and a lack of game management killed us. Did we force a drop out all game? Lots of laziness in defenders that was not there a few weeks ago.

Our halves are bog average, watching games over the weekend makes you realise how far off our 2 halves are, and we have no one else to blame but ourselves.
Madge extended Brooks and gave Benji another contract for this year, both decisions were clearly wrong, it is one bad decision after another for us, it is diabolical, we don’t even have a goal kicker after 4 years of missing simple conversions.

If Madge didn’t extend brooks what year would’ve been Brooks’s last ?

Pretty sure he was off contract before extending? Maybe he had a contract for this year still. He was so good last year it’s a shame he’s been so bad this season.

Josh, Brooks has been at this same dreck level for years.
I’m a Madge fan, but keeping brooks was the worst thing he coulda done.
Time to realize sunk costs, cut losses and move on. That is, if we want to win.

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@bbobb good post and I think it’s hard to disagree with most of what you say. Except for expecting Madge to adapt his play around our pack. We just aren’t anything like those Dogs teams.

Hasler’s Bulldogs GF teams were blessed with incredible forwards (most rep players) and the 2012 had a stacked backline, including Ben Barba in the type of form rarely seen.
The halves weren’t the best. J Reynolds was the 6 ironically, but don’t forget he was Origin level at that stage. Hodkinson was weak, but he was a gun kicker.
The substitutes he had in both years arguably made up the most dynamic bunch of forwards you might ever see on a bench.

What is definitely true is that the interplay from the forwards was ingenious.
But Hasler was not starved for talent.

Unlike Madge.

I’d suggest that if we had even half Hasler’s cattle then any coach would recognize their potential - not least of all Maguire.