If you wanted to show someone what Leichhardt is all about you would just bottle tonight.
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RE: Signing Suggestions & Rumours
Its like employing a financial planner
They are there to help you get the best return on your money
Financial planners being there to get you the best return is actually the complete opposite way to the way the industry works. Financial planners are there to take money out of your hand and offer nothing at all in return.
Warren Buffet agrees with me.
Just for the record, that is not my quote, I was responding to that quote.
My quote was,
“As long as we don’t employ Elijah’s financial planner.
Some of them don’t want to return your money.”
So I guess, along with Warren Buffet we both agree on the usefulness of financial planners.
As a financial planner, thats a little offensive. There are plenty of good ones out there that you don’t hear about. Its only the rogues that get the attention - all industries have them.
Sorry if I offended you, and I would agree that there are good and and bad operators in every industry, and I take it that you are one of the good ones in your industry.
I understand that there has been a bit of a shake up in the industry in recent times relating to disclosure of commissions and requirements to put clients’ interests first and for financial advisors to disclose any conflicts of interest.
However, various inquires and Banking Royal Commissions haven’t done a lot to enhance the reputation of financial advisors.
My own personal experience with 2 or 3 financial advisors that I have had initial meetings with haven’t really given me the confidence to part with the 2 or 3 thousand dollars that they wanted to come up with a plan for my particular situation.
Thats fair enough Hank. The Royal Commission has started raising the bar ie. degree required etc which can only be good for the industry.
Many people are skeptical about advisers for good reason but hopefully that changes once the riff raff has exited.
Financial Planner (and my naivety) cost me $250K after investing in Great Southern and Timbercorp investments. I was lucky - some others committed suicide. Good and bad in every industry- I found the worst grub on the planet
Wow … that’s a pretty horrific ordeal to go through mate …
You must have a well paid job in order to recover …
Went overseas and earned good money. Got me out of trouble. But cost me my marriage and a lot of mental stress I can tell you. Remarried and building a new house now - means a lot in so many ways mate. It’s been a journey
I went through the breast cancer crap with my ex…the chemo and therapy mixed with different drugs got the better of both of us…It really hurts when you personally know your doing your best but end up with a kick in the guts.I have remained very amicable because I know what she went through…in a word horrific…However,I almost wanted to drive my ute over the Macquarie pass because I was in a state of confusion and was hurting…Now I try and keep a sensible head on my shoulders because I know I would hurt family members in more ways than one by doing what I wanted to do…the WTs are my real oak in my life that helps me converse with my forum buddies as well as give me an interest in life…If I get to meet some one I hope she loves the WTs as much as I do…
Theres always hope I suppose…
Sorry about hijacking this thread guys…
Nothing to be sorry about Mate.
We’ve all probably been through hard times, but your particular situation has been really tough, but it looks like you are bouncing back and keeping a positive attitude.
Good to see you spending time on the forum as it sound like it’s a good outlet for you and that you are getting enjoyment from it.
Don’t ever be afraid to say what you think or what you feel on this forum as I believe that when it comes down to it the vast majority of people on here actually give a damn, even if we don’t always agree on everything.
Hang in there and here’s hoping that 2021 is a better year for everyone on this forum and for the Mighty Wests Tigers.
I agree with this fully and feel that is a very good point for @Blaze @supercoach @TrueTiger and @tigersteve . I have dealt with some demons over the last 5 years and this forum has been a source of support for me during that time. There are so many people I disagree with regularly on here but these same people knowingly and unknowingly helped me through my darkest days. This place is home and a place of great support for me.
RE: THE CHANT
Not that it matters but after today I feel I’ve reached closure with this whole Cleary thing. I won’t be hating on them anymore… until our next game that is.
Parra’s still enemy # 1
No I hate Penrith until Cleary is gone, one win against a depleted Panthers side doesn’t erase what he did.
Connection/attachment to the club
I was involved in a conversation today regarding relocation and stated that if the team was relocated that it would probably be the end for me as an NRL supporter as I would lose my connection/ attachment to the club. The person I was speaking with rightly raised what is my connection to the club as I never lived in any of the catchment areas that make up this club. It got me thinking about why I am connected to this club in such a strong way and I would be interested in hearing about other people’s connections as well.
For me it started when I was 4 years old, I grew up in country NSW and my father played for the local team, the Aberdeen Tigers. I remember going home and seeing the Balmain Tigers play on TV and thinking that they were the same team my father played for because of the same jerseys.
That bond was strengthen when I started playing for the Aberdeen Tigers as a 6 year old, always wanted the 8 jersey because that was what Wayne Pearce played in. The 88 and 89 sides came and went and that again strengthened that connection. The 90’s were tough and thought about changing teams like my brothers did but just could never bring myself to do it. I moved to Sydney in 1998 and started to semi regularly attend games
The end in 1999 hurt so much and I swore to myself that footy was dead to me. My then GF, now wife, knew how much footy meant to me and for Christmas in 1999 bought me season tickets to Wests Tigers 1st season and that brought me home again.
Now why do I have such an attachment to the location of a team that I never lived within the boundaries of?
For me it goes back to when I was a kid living in a small town with that true sense of community, I knew the whole town, I knew the local footy heroes and that is what this club now does for me I go to the games and I see people I have sat near for 20 years, seen them get older, lots now have kids and have started bringing their kids to games. I feel a part of the club, I feel like a part of the club, Benji and Robbie for example, I have known them since they were kids, not personally but as representatives of our club. I funny example is back in January I saw Robbie randomly in Bondi, I had no Tigers gear on but he saw me and come over and said hello and chatted about the preseason for a minute or 2. He doesn’t really know me but has seen me enough at team events over the years to know that I am a Tigers supporter. That is the connection I want and need with my club and it goes back to as a kid knowing all the local footballers in town. That is why I feel about this team the way I do!
RE: Russell Packer
I really had high hopes for Packer. Thought he could be the enforcer we badly needed.
I don’t think we’ve ever had another player that I had so much hope for with so little reward.* I used to dream of him when he was at Saints. 100m, found his front almost all the time. stopped people short in defence.
*maybe Jason Cayless
O’Hara definitely …Matulino …Tamou
I think people are a little unfair on Matulino, you are going in early on Tamou.
RE: Signing Suggestions & Rumours
But I agree with your post …when you continually miss the top talent questions need to be asked and answered …especially if we miss the finals again
Melbourne always miss top talent. I don’t see the issue. I’d rather miss out on top talent than overpay for top talent.
No they just always grab the most talented junior and get it right virtually every time …and then keep them 90% of the time
Someone there has a great eye for identifying junior talent. It’s one thing to copy their strategy but have we got the right people identifying the talent ?
It certainly feels like we have. Hartigan is our best signing in a long time
Yes, he does. Would he be the guy identifying juniors?
Combination of madge and him i reckon
It is a combination of Scott Woodward and Hartigan primarily.
I would have thought they’d be across current NRL players and fringe players but would have others looking at juniors. It’s a big job for the 2 of them scouring the country for juniors aswell.
That is exactly what they do, the information that Woodward has at his disposal is very deep across the country.
Yes, the info, but is he the talent identifier? Was he the bloke picking the talent for storm?
He is the Recruitment and List Analyst at the Wests Tigers, it is his system that is used to identify the talent that we want to look at. I can explain the process a little more if you want.
please do, I love this stuff.
This is more in regards to the NRL but roster management is an ongoing process that requires planning for multiple years into the future. The club will have depth charts that extend at least 3-4 years into the future that include players we have signed up in those years including expected development. For example Kei who we have recently signed to a development contract and some of the players in the junior systems would be included in the NRL depth chart for for season 22-24.
The club will have developed Archetypes for what they are looking for in each position on the field based on the type of football we are looking to play. These would include attributes, skills and ability we are looking as a club. For example for a winger these could be things like tall, fast, low error under the high ball, ability to make a lot of yardage to start of the set. These things are all measurable and a value is assigned to these based on importance to the team.
The club would then compare our current roster to our archetypes and identify our strengths and weaknesses both on fulfilling those archetypes and the value they have assigned those skills.
In regards to retention that would allow the club to determine who they want to keep and what value they provide to the club. It allows the club to go into negotiations with not only a value on players but a reason for that value, they can say to a player that this is what we value you as and these are the reason why we have placed that value. These conversations would have occurred with both Aloiai and Nofa.
In regards to recruitment, it allows the club to identify players who fill an area of need for the club. I know speed is an attribute that the club has been very keen to address, hence the interest in JAC and the signing of Roberts. After a player has been identified as having attributes that fulfill an area of need that player would be looked at a lot more closely, that is when we will be watching a lot of game time on that player, meetings would be held to determine if they meet the culture and other aspect they can bring to club such as leadership and media presence etc. Once again the club would have a value based on what they believe the player brings to the club and negotiations would start.
When identifying talent based of the measurable data, Woodward and his systems would be providing that data to the club based off the archetypes and areas of weakness the club has determined. The data they look at goes back multiple years and across all levels of the game. Hartigan, Madge and Pascoe would be looking at more of intangible aspect of the player that are important to the club.
Hartigan has an excellent knowledge of players throughout the game and this is an area that he shines. He really is a huge asset to the club.
A couple of interesting points, when looking at Joffa for example his 2020 data is not great and is of concern until you take out the data from the games he was played out of position in the second row. With those games removed his stats improve massively.
The idea in all of this is to get as many players playing at your club on contracts that a re below their value to the club. This also allows you to maybe spend a bit more on the player that takes your team from a finge top 8 side to a genuine contender.
RE: Wests Tigers v Manly TRIAL ..*Spoilers
I also want to mention that the rubbish about the team not getting along can be put to rest, I was seated directly behind the bench and the players were one unit supporting each and enjoying each other company. There is a really good bond amongst our playing group. I even saw Packer revving up Hartigan and Madge during his stint on the sideline.
RE: Signing Suggestions & Rumours
There was an play where Doueihi picked up a loose ball with space on the weekend, his 1st instinct was to look inside for support. If he had of looked outside, which should have been his 1st reaction, Roberts was unmarked and we would have seen how quick he is over 80 mtrs.
RE: Wests Tigers v Manly TRIAL ..*Spoilers
Just back from the game and must say I am very impressed, high quality effort from the boys today against a lower quality team.
I think Laurie looked amazing today at Fullback and feel that role suits him much better than the 5/8th role. He is very elusive and looks dangerous every time he gets his hands on the ball, he chimes in so well on sweeping backline plays.
Roberts looks dangerous when ever the ball his in hands and it was very reassuring to see him getting early ball in space.
The 5/8th spot is really now the most difficult decision for me, Madden was fantastic in the 1st half and compliments Luke Brooks so well, Doueihi than came on in the second half and really dominated. For me after being disappointed in Madden in last weeks game I probably have him just in front of Doueihi.
Probably the most pleasing aspect of today’s game was the control Luke Brooks had over the side, I really like him playing both sides of the ruck and he was just in the right place taking the right options all the time.
Our front rowers were great, multiple times they were taking multiple hitups in a set. Both Joffa and Tamou played 27 mins straight to open the game. I was also very impressed with Stefano, he has lost some weight and it is evident in his game. I though Mikaele fought really hard to prove a point when he got on which was pleasing to see.
Luciano is about to go to another level, he was so damaging running the ball and it was so great to see him starting to look for the offload again, he is going to destroy some teams this year.
I have a lot more to say about this game but better leave it here for now.
Thanks for this @cochise, always great having someone there at the match.
What else did you see in person that we couldn’t really view at home?
Was Roberts just as quick as it shown on live TV?
Who had a loud voice on the field?
Did Tamou seem to fit the captaincy role well, on and off?
Also I seen @Everything-WT was also there, what were your thoughts?
Anyone else also in attendance?
Tamou is going to be one of the best captains we have ever had, this guy is a true leader. As we ran onto the field he turn to players to set their minds to work. The respect he is held in really needs to be seen to be believed, every player that left the field, especially the forwards, approached him as they came off. He is going to pull this club together.
Hartigan is running the bench for us and is constantly on the walkie talkie to Madge, this pair are a class act on and off the field. Communicated with Hartigan briefly and he indicated we played well but not well enough which was pleasing as well.
@JoshColeman99 said in JAC:
JAC has had a rough year lost a lot of family and friends the poor bugger.
Mental health and suicide are terrible issues to deal with, thoughts go out to him and his family.
Always a class act mate
Suicide has had a large impact on my life and the pointlessness of that loss I would never wish on anyone. Just a reminder to anyone on here who ever finds themself in a bad place mentally, speak up even if the only place you have is on here. We disagree and argue a lot but this forum can also be very supportive and most people on here don’t know you to judge you.
RE: not a true reflection
I think tonight was more consistent with our performances this year than the past two weeks
Honestly, we were much better today than a lot of the games earlier in the season, we had a go today and that can’t be said about all games this season. There is just a huge difference in class between us and the eels.
RE: Benji reveals fears for fearless teammate Lawrence
Geez i never realized the facial injuries of Rowdy was that bad
That is why I think he was unfairly criticised last year, he lost 12 kg while recovering. He was amazing he got back on the field last year and should be respected for being able to play at any level. I have a lot of respect for Chris, honestly his career should have ended with the dislocated hip. A true champion of our club.