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@Spud_Murphy said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@ElleryHanley said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

Doueihi is a legit talent. Was just about their best player in the semis.

Can play strongly at 1.
Can be a long term 6.
Has a strong relationship with Madge.
Young with upside.

He ticks a lot of boxes.

If we ‘don’t’ land him, I would be interested in exactly who Pascoe says we are ‘patiently waiting for’.

The market is almost dry now and, mid season releases like DWZ are rarities with class players / normally only come about if a player falls out with a coach.

Douehi and JAC would balance out the team very nicely. We need to get things done.

Me too! As I said in a previous post while we are patiently waiting for the right player to come along, other teams are already building and leaving us behind. It’s the middle of January already, most teams rosters are settled and players are well into the pre season. If we are patiently waiting for the right players to come along then I assume that the club is focused on 2021 and next year is, once again, a sacrificial year because unless we make some sort of move to shore up our backline for 2020 soon, there will be no one decent available.

Apparently its a very active player market atm! Highly doubt it but that’s what I keep being told.

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@beachtiger said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@cochise said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@Red88_Tiger said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@Rowdy12 said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@beachtiger said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@avocadoontoast said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@tigerap said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@WT2K said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@avocadoontoast said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

If Pascoe keeps trying to play hardball and we miss out on Douehi for the sake of $100k it will be a bad move for the club. He’s an excellent player that hasn’t yet reached his prime. He will increase our chances of making the 8 in 2020. No point going into March with $1m in the bank.

You’d be getting him for under 400k for 2020 as Souths have already paid him 3 months. Assuming the 500k figure is accurate.

Let him train with Souths till March then sign him…will only cost us $330k for 2020…

You’re talking as though they need to let him go. They probably don’t. We’re not doing them a favour taking Doueihi.

You’re right but maybe Doueihi needs to be realistic as well. Either he stays at Souths playing backup and collect $500k for two years stalling his development in the process or he accepts a reduced deal to join the Tigers.

Why should the Tigers be the ones that are wearing everything, by all reports Souths don’t “need” to move him on and would be happy to see him bide his time as backup so maybe it’s Doueihi that needs to give a bit as well.

a player cant reduce their deal, NRL wont allow it

Didn’t woods say he took less to move to the sharks. Or was that just forum talk

Yes he did but it was 18 months ago so probably too long ago for @Rowdy12

https://www.nrl.com/news/2018/06/26/why-aaron-woods-took-a-pay-cut-to-become-a-shark/

“In the end it was Woods, tired of having his future tied to uncertainty, who bit the bullet and agreed to take a pay cut in the best interest of both parties.”

Which charity did you want Rowdy12 to donate that $500 to mate??

In fairness he said if it happens in the next 2 years, he may be right and the rule has been changed but I’d like to see that confirmed.

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@Red88_Tiger said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@Rowdy12 said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@beachtiger said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@avocadoontoast said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@tigerap said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@WT2K said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@avocadoontoast said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

If Pascoe keeps trying to play hardball and we miss out on Douehi for the sake of $100k it will be a bad move for the club. He’s an excellent player that hasn’t yet reached his prime. He will increase our chances of making the 8 in 2020. No point going into March with $1m in the bank.

You’d be getting him for under 400k for 2020 as Souths have already paid him 3 months. Assuming the 500k figure is accurate.

Let him train with Souths till March then sign him…will only cost us $330k for 2020…

You’re talking as though they need to let him go. They probably don’t. We’re not doing them a favour taking Doueihi.

You’re right but maybe Doueihi needs to be realistic as well. Either he stays at Souths playing backup and collect $500k for two years stalling his development in the process or he accepts a reduced deal to join the Tigers.

Why should the Tigers be the ones that are wearing everything, by all reports Souths don’t “need” to move him on and would be happy to see him bide his time as backup so maybe it’s Doueihi that needs to give a bit as well.

a player cant reduce their deal, NRL wont allow it

Didn’t woods say he took less to move to the sharks. Or was that just forum talk

Yes he did but it was 18 months ago so probably too long ago for @Rowdy12

https://www.nrl.com/news/2018/06/26/why-aaron-woods-took-a-pay-cut-to-become-a-shark/

“In the end it was Woods, tired of having his future tied to uncertainty, who bit the bullet and agreed to take a pay cut in the best interest of both parties.”

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@JD-Tiger said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@cochise said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@JD-Tiger said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@Rowdy12 said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@beachtiger said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@Rowdy12 said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@beachtiger said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@Rowdy12 said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@beachtiger said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@avocadoontoast said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@tigerap said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@WT2K said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@avocadoontoast said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

If Pascoe keeps trying to play hardball and we miss out on Douehi for the sake of $100k it will be a bad move for the club. He’s an excellent player that hasn’t yet reached his prime. He will increase our chances of making the 8 in 2020. No point going into March with $1m in the bank.

You’d be getting him for under 400k for 2020 as Souths have already paid him 3 months. Assuming the 500k figure is accurate.

Let him train with Souths till March then sign him…will only cost us $330k for 2020…

You’re talking as though they need to let him go. They probably don’t. We’re not doing them a favour taking Doueihi.

You’re right but maybe Doueihi needs to be realistic as well. Either he stays at Souths playing backup and collect $500k for two years stalling his development in the process or he accepts a reduced deal to join the Tigers.

Why should the Tigers be the ones that are wearing everything, by all reports Souths don’t “need” to move him on and would be happy to see him bide his time as backup so maybe it’s Doueihi that needs to give a bit as well.

a player cant reduce their deal, NRL wont allow it

He wouldn’t be reducing it he would be negotiating a new contract and if it were for three seasons that worked out at say $400k per year then no problems with that at all for the NRL.

yes there would, the NRL don’t allow it. a player who is already signed for 2020 on $500k can not sign a new contract anywhere for a lesser amount

I would think with your user name that you’d know better, he can absolutely agree to a longer contract at a different yearly rate.

ok mate🙄

Dont you remember? Chris Lawrence had a deal for $400k plus for two more years, he gave up on that, renegotiated, and accepted a 3 year deal for $300k a year. That was about 3 years ago.

Maybe its different if youre switching clubs, or maybe theyve changed the rules, but I haven’t heard that they have.

Lawrence was on $600k for 2017 which he renegotiated for $450k for seasons 2017 and 2018.

I stand corrected

I wasn’t arguing with you just supporting what you said!

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@Geo said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@beachtiger said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@Geo said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@Rowdy12 said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@beachtiger said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@Rowdy12 said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@beachtiger said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@avocadoontoast said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@tigerap said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@WT2K said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@avocadoontoast said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

If Pascoe keeps trying to play hardball and we miss out on Douehi for the sake of $100k it will be a bad move for the club. He’s an excellent player that hasn’t yet reached his prime. He will increase our chances of making the 8 in 2020. No point going into March with $1m in the bank.

You’d be getting him for under 400k for 2020 as Souths have already paid him 3 months. Assuming the 500k figure is accurate.

Let him train with Souths till March then sign him…will only cost us $330k for 2020…

You’re talking as though they need to let him go. They probably don’t. We’re not doing them a favour taking Doueihi.

You’re right but maybe Doueihi needs to be realistic as well. Either he stays at Souths playing backup and collect $500k for two years stalling his development in the process or he accepts a reduced deal to join the Tigers.

Why should the Tigers be the ones that are wearing everything, by all reports Souths don’t “need” to move him on and would be happy to see him bide his time as backup so maybe it’s Doueihi that needs to give a bit as well.

a player cant reduce their deal, NRL wont allow it

He wouldn’t be reducing it he would be negotiating a new contract and if it were for three seasons that worked out at say $400k per year then no problems with that at all for the NRL.

yes there would, the NRL don’t allow it. a player who is already signed for 2020 on $500k can not sign a new contract anywhere for a lesser amount

Pretty sure it’s Separate deals…Souff’s would have to stump up the difference should it be less…

It’s happened before At one stage Todd Payten was being paid by the Raiders Rorters and Us…sweet deal…

You’ve been around a while mate (with all due respect) but didn’t Lawrence have the last year of his contract renegotiated with a new contract for a longer period and a less amount?

Technically Not less… restructured in the cap allotment …was signed to a back ended deal so instead of carrying 600K it was spread over 2 years and he got an extra year added on…

It is a paycut though, he received $450k in 2017 as opposed to $600k then had an extra year at $450k as well.

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@JD-Tiger said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@Rowdy12 said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@beachtiger said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@Rowdy12 said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@beachtiger said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@Rowdy12 said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@beachtiger said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@avocadoontoast said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@tigerap said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@WT2K said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@avocadoontoast said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

If Pascoe keeps trying to play hardball and we miss out on Douehi for the sake of $100k it will be a bad move for the club. He’s an excellent player that hasn’t yet reached his prime. He will increase our chances of making the 8 in 2020. No point going into March with $1m in the bank.

You’d be getting him for under 400k for 2020 as Souths have already paid him 3 months. Assuming the 500k figure is accurate.

Let him train with Souths till March then sign him…will only cost us $330k for 2020…

You’re talking as though they need to let him go. They probably don’t. We’re not doing them a favour taking Doueihi.

You’re right but maybe Doueihi needs to be realistic as well. Either he stays at Souths playing backup and collect $500k for two years stalling his development in the process or he accepts a reduced deal to join the Tigers.

Why should the Tigers be the ones that are wearing everything, by all reports Souths don’t “need” to move him on and would be happy to see him bide his time as backup so maybe it’s Doueihi that needs to give a bit as well.

a player cant reduce their deal, NRL wont allow it

He wouldn’t be reducing it he would be negotiating a new contract and if it were for three seasons that worked out at say $400k per year then no problems with that at all for the NRL.

yes there would, the NRL don’t allow it. a player who is already signed for 2020 on $500k can not sign a new contract anywhere for a lesser amount

I would think with your user name that you’d know better, he can absolutely agree to a longer contract at a different yearly rate.

ok mate🙄

Dont you remember? Chris Lawrence had a deal for $400k plus for two more years, he gave up on that, renegotiated, and accepted a 3 year deal for $300k a year. That was about 3 years ago.

Maybe its different if youre switching clubs, or maybe theyve changed the rules, but I haven’t heard that they have.

Lawrence was on $600k for 2017 which he renegotiated for $450k for seasons 2017 and 2018.

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@Rowdy12 said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@cochise said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@Rowdy12 said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@cochise said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@Rowdy12 said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@beachtiger said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@Rowdy12 said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@beachtiger said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@Rowdy12 said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@beachtiger said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@avocadoontoast said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@tigerap said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@WT2K said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@avocadoontoast said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

If Pascoe keeps trying to play hardball and we miss out on Douehi for the sake of $100k it will be a bad move for the club. He’s an excellent player that hasn’t yet reached his prime. He will increase our chances of making the 8 in 2020. No point going into March with $1m in the bank.

You’d be getting him for under 400k for 2020 as Souths have already paid him 3 months. Assuming the 500k figure is accurate.

Let him train with Souths till March then sign him…will only cost us $330k for 2020…

You’re talking as though they need to let him go. They probably don’t. We’re not doing them a favour taking Doueihi.

You’re right but maybe Doueihi needs to be realistic as well. Either he stays at Souths playing backup and collect $500k for two years stalling his development in the process or he accepts a reduced deal to join the Tigers.

Why should the Tigers be the ones that are wearing everything, by all reports Souths don’t “need” to move him on and would be happy to see him bide his time as backup so maybe it’s Doueihi that needs to give a bit as well.

a player cant reduce their deal, NRL wont allow it

He wouldn’t be reducing it he would be negotiating a new contract and if it were for three seasons that worked out at say $400k per year then no problems with that at all for the NRL.

yes there would, the NRL don’t allow it. a player who is already signed for 2020 on $500k can not sign a new contract anywhere for a lesser amount

I would think with your user name that you’d know better, he can absolutely agree to a longer contract at a different yearly rate.

ok mate🙄

Your namesake did?

mate I can tell you now, it 100% cant happen

Really?

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/wests-tigers-look-to-extend-chris-lawrence-with-revised-deal-20160413-go5m8x.html

Farah is on the best part of $1 million next year, while Lawrence is on $600,000. Those commitments alone make it difficult to retain several off-contract players they want to keep, let alone go into the open market.
While Lawrence is entitled to every cent of his current contract money, the Tigers are hoping he may consider a new deal that guarantees him $450,000 per season for 2017 and 2018.

That deal went through by the way!

you’re talking 4 years ago

you’ve also conveniently left out the part that says the NRL rarely allow it

now they don’t, at all

You said they don’t allow it, not that the used to allow it? the NRL may rarely allow it but they did with Lawrence so you saying they never allow it is wrong!

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@Rowdy12 said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@cochise said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@Rowdy12 said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@beachtiger said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@Rowdy12 said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@beachtiger said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@Rowdy12 said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@beachtiger said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@avocadoontoast said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@tigerap said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@WT2K said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@avocadoontoast said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

If Pascoe keeps trying to play hardball and we miss out on Douehi for the sake of $100k it will be a bad move for the club. He’s an excellent player that hasn’t yet reached his prime. He will increase our chances of making the 8 in 2020. No point going into March with $1m in the bank.

You’d be getting him for under 400k for 2020 as Souths have already paid him 3 months. Assuming the 500k figure is accurate.

Let him train with Souths till March then sign him…will only cost us $330k for 2020…

You’re talking as though they need to let him go. They probably don’t. We’re not doing them a favour taking Doueihi.

You’re right but maybe Doueihi needs to be realistic as well. Either he stays at Souths playing backup and collect $500k for two years stalling his development in the process or he accepts a reduced deal to join the Tigers.

Why should the Tigers be the ones that are wearing everything, by all reports Souths don’t “need” to move him on and would be happy to see him bide his time as backup so maybe it’s Doueihi that needs to give a bit as well.

a player cant reduce their deal, NRL wont allow it

He wouldn’t be reducing it he would be negotiating a new contract and if it were for three seasons that worked out at say $400k per year then no problems with that at all for the NRL.

yes there would, the NRL don’t allow it. a player who is already signed for 2020 on $500k can not sign a new contract anywhere for a lesser amount

I would think with your user name that you’d know better, he can absolutely agree to a longer contract at a different yearly rate.

ok mate🙄

Your namesake did?

mate I can tell you now, it 100% cant happen

Really?

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/wests-tigers-look-to-extend-chris-lawrence-with-revised-deal-20160413-go5m8x.html

Farah is on the best part of $1 million next year, while Lawrence is on $600,000. Those commitments alone make it difficult to retain several off-contract players they want to keep, let alone go into the open market.
While Lawrence is entitled to every cent of his current contract money, the Tigers are hoping he may consider a new deal that guarantees him $450,000 per season for 2017 and 2018.

That deal went through by the way!

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@Rowdy12 said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@beachtiger said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@Rowdy12 said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@beachtiger said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@Rowdy12 said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@beachtiger said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@avocadoontoast said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@tigerap said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@WT2K said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@avocadoontoast said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

If Pascoe keeps trying to play hardball and we miss out on Douehi for the sake of $100k it will be a bad move for the club. He’s an excellent player that hasn’t yet reached his prime. He will increase our chances of making the 8 in 2020. No point going into March with $1m in the bank.

You’d be getting him for under 400k for 2020 as Souths have already paid him 3 months. Assuming the 500k figure is accurate.

Let him train with Souths till March then sign him…will only cost us $330k for 2020…

You’re talking as though they need to let him go. They probably don’t. We’re not doing them a favour taking Doueihi.

You’re right but maybe Doueihi needs to be realistic as well. Either he stays at Souths playing backup and collect $500k for two years stalling his development in the process or he accepts a reduced deal to join the Tigers.

Why should the Tigers be the ones that are wearing everything, by all reports Souths don’t “need” to move him on and would be happy to see him bide his time as backup so maybe it’s Doueihi that needs to give a bit as well.

a player cant reduce their deal, NRL wont allow it

He wouldn’t be reducing it he would be negotiating a new contract and if it were for three seasons that worked out at say $400k per year then no problems with that at all for the NRL.

yes there would, the NRL don’t allow it. a player who is already signed for 2020 on $500k can not sign a new contract anywhere for a lesser amount

I would think with your user name that you’d know better, he can absolutely agree to a longer contract at a different yearly rate.

ok mate🙄

Your namesake did?

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@jirskyr said in Josh Addo Carr Contract Discussion:

@twentyforty said in Josh Addo Carr Contract Discussion:

Spud, why do you suppose no other half in the N RL runs more than Brooksy? It’s partly because he was heavily criticised for not doing so, but it’s also born of necessity.
He is crying out for some hole runners with acceleration. The wide running forwards have worked ok but they mostly don’t stand up opposition defence by their mere presence, which creates that extra split second for the ball carrier to either spot a hole or go wide. Think about the winning chooks trie in the gf e.g.

Absolutely. The number of times at the ground, watching lack of shape in the Tigers attack… don’t know what Brooksie is supposed to do.

In previous years he’s tend to throw hospitals, as his options dried up. He’s become, I think, more stayed in attack and willing to take the hit-up if required. He didn’t just engage the link a bit more than Cronk in 2019, he nearly doubled him. And Cronk is renowned for digging into the attack and getting belted for his trouble.

That’s why Garner is such a revelation, a young-age Lawrence type who knows how to run into a gap and can bump of defenders with his power. Garner just needs more time to develop as he doesn’t quite seem to have consistent 80 minutes in him, whereas Lawrence was a revelation the minute he came to grade.

Oh to go back to the days when Benji would shape across-field and have someone like Tuiaki, Lawrence, Dwyer or Ellis to pass to.

I feel like I am disagreeing with you a lot at the moment but this post is spot on, especially the evaluation of Garner and Lawrence!