Man, watching us vs Parra.

We were Pummled.

Not Brooks fault on that. He goy a few opportunities and helped us get 20 points. I cannot fault him.

Our defense too, it held a line. We were not Porus slop. Yes, parra had a creative attack and rattled us, but they employed tactics to rattle us Unlike say easts that will just pass the ball to a center/winger and stroll on through.

We did well, in a comp where people are loosing 40/0 we actually performed. Long way to go.

Why blame Brooks when its clear Andrew Johns couldnt have won that game for us.

JAC has great attitude and of all the players mentioned would bring the hardworking culture Madge is trying to instill here.

Front load his contract, let him buy a house and lock him in for 4 years.

We score 28 points but concede 36…

So we question our attack?

Hey why dont we score every time we get close to the other teams line. Why do we need to Build pressure. Surely other teams dont defend?

We conceded 3 tries in the opening 20. We fought on and made the scoreline close. We got grit, just need to be awake when the game starts.

@pawsandclaws1 said in Tim Sheens Returns to Tigers:

@magpies1963 said in Tim Sheens Returns to Tigers:

@pawsandclaws1 said in Tim Sheens Returns to Tigers:

@spartan117 said in Tim Sheens Returns to Tigers:

Over thinking this.

Sheens back in Australia hookong up with one of his old clubs as a consultant and heavyweight in the statesman/ Recruitment area.

This is still the Madge and Hartigan show.

I believe Sheens’ influence on the players, especially the younger ones, will be noticeable. His football was always built around positivity, which cannot always be said about Maguire’s coaching.

“his football was always built around positivity, which cannot always be said about Maguire’s coaching” .
It seems to me that you genuinely know more than the average fan, so I’m interested to know why you say that.

I don’t know more than the average supporter. But Sheens was and no doubt still is an innovator. His style of free flowing football could be adapted to the game today. Maguire has struggled to adapt his coaching to the pace of the game today.

Pascoe is a winner and has achieved outstanding results off the field. What is to say he doesn’t want to help WTs achieve outstanding results on field? It will improve the bottom line as a business. Certainly the appointment of Sheens has been well received. A winner recognises another winner!

Most of all, I cannot wait until Sheens has a chat with our players, especially our youngsters. He from all accounts is an excellent communicator, an area in which we have been lacking.

Well said and right on:
“But Sheens was and no doubt still is an innovator. His style of free flowing football could be adapted to the game today.”

I remember a Commentator saying:
There are only 4 different teams, The Tigers, Manly, <someone else> and the rest are Immitating Melbourne.

Sheens will be like Mal has been to the Gold Coast. Sheens playbook is worth its weight in gold. Sheens and McGuire have worked well together in the past.

Moreover I remember reading about Easts, two things stick out there:
Robinson would talk with Cheika and other code coaches regularly to get ideas and perspective. I think that helped him be a far better coach.

Craig Fitz… he apparently would wressle with anyone. He would push the players to go harder and tougher…

Farah or Liam Fulton is that kind of player for us. We need that old hand just pushing the guys coming in to go harder.

Getting Sheens by himself, would not do it. Having Sheens and Farah is going to up our training. We need to develop better and having Sheens focus on Long term will help us Develop better!!!

“Canberra have already paid around $200,000 of Leilua’s $700,000 deal, and are only prepared to throw in an extra $100,000 to seal the Canberra-to-Concord deal.”
Joey BJ Leilua for 400K where do we sign?

@bathursttiger1 said in Luke Brooks:

It’s marvellous how good your halves and backline perform when your forwards dominate the middle.

1000% right.
We get owned and we blame the halfback. Newcastle still lost games with Johns if Kennedy and co were out injured.

@the_third said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

I still believe we will need another hooker to cover Liddle and Simpkin
An experienced one at that
I think we all know Walters will join his dad

Just Jumping to the earlier comment:
“I still believe we will need another hooker to cover Liddle and Simpkin
An experienced one at that
I think we all know Walters will join his dad”

So we have Walters, Liddle and Simpkin who can play hooker. Now were talking of hiring a 4th hooker?
Why don’t we ask Matt Ballin to come back out of retirement? Worked last time we had 3-4 hookers on the books, not.

At the moment with Douleini moving to 5/8 we have no fullback and I think Mbye will probably get the job there. As much as Mbye was a mistake I think it may not be a bad move to put him at fullback and wait for a top shelf fullback to come on the market (then buying someone not ideal). Either way our forward pack is a bigger concern followed by fullback.

Why do we want 3 hookers on the books? Why on earth do we want 4??

Lets throw Liddle at it. If he falls this year, he falls. If he succeeds he succeeds. If he is not ready now he will never be ready. Hire Angus Crichton or someone decent forward and make our pack feared again! Let the rest work themselves out without having to deal with defense for 80 minutes.

@Mighty_Tiger said in David Nofoaluma:

@Jedi_Tiger said in David Nofoaluma:

@rihannafan1 said in David Nofoaluma:

@Jedi_Tiger said in David Nofoaluma:

@rihannafan1 said in David Nofoaluma:

@Jedi_Tiger said in David Nofoaluma:

@twentyforty said in David Nofoaluma:

If it’s true that Nofa is asking $650k then he’s priced himself out of WT. I hope he gets picked up by eels and gets a combo going with Moses. I think we paid too much for Nofa ($450k) at a time when we had all our stars leaving and now it’s biting us on the gluteus because everyone with a sentimental soul , including Nofa, thinks he’s worth an upgrade. During the last 3 years when he was on $450k , Fox was on $350k. I still think his true value to WT is $325k plus a top up with vets and car of about $80k - $100k. You never no if you don’t ask? Someone was desperate enough to buy fox at $650k. It’s going to be very interesting to see how that unfolds?

it is scary to think JAC was on 350k and Nofo 450k
right time right place for Nofo when our stars left he stayed
Shouldn’t be able to win lotto twice
Joey L can leave end of 2022 ? imagine nofo money for Stagg or Stephen crighton

Key word: imagine.

cash is a reality if we use it for 2022 one hell of a war chest
Packer and Nofo money on Stagg or Crighton and a depth player signing

I agree that we pay 450k at the most and really it’s the appropriate amount for Nofo. But Staggs and Crichton are much younger than him and have already had somewhat comparable career best years. Wests Tigers are not signing them on 450-500k and we just don’t have the TPAs to do anything else. You can imagine but it will never ever happen.

Packer and Nofo money should get us one of Crighton, Staggs

Can you be consistent. Paying overs for those 2 is ok?

Packer & Noffo salary combined is overs for both these players a year.

I dont get this.
We have a 450K winger wanting 450K. Pay the man his money.

Dont go hiring a 30 year old winger on his way out to replace him, even if your paying Unders.
Dont go hiring Crighton (Steven) or Staggs for a Million to replace him.

Pay Nofo his due. You have a 27year old winger who has hit form. More importantly he Combines well with BJ and Luciano Leulia. DONT FIX WHATS WORKING!

We have no clear NR1, we have forwards that try but get beaten by better teams. We have the leagues nr3 tryscorer and everyone goes “lets replace that guy”! I dont get it.

@tiger5150 said in Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here:

@happy_tiger said in Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here:

Trump has allegedly pardoned 73 people and commuted 70 jail sentences today

And has pardoned the least people of all presidents since McKinley 120 years ago, but yeah…Trump. Obama pardoned 212 and gave clemency to 1715 people.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/11/24/so-far-trump-has-granted-clemency-less-frequently-than-any-president-in-modern-history/

https://www.justice.gov/pardon/obama-pardons

Something weird with America’s pardon system. IMHO there is no way, a De-elected president should be able to pardon anyone (be they dem or rep or whatevrr).
Your elected, you decide to pardon people, OK you face the electorate with those decisions.

The whole “I am running out of office so I am going to pardon X and Y and Z”. Those guys who killed the 9 year old in Iraq. WTF, like how sicko can you get. The electorate, the Citizens should know about whos getting pardoned.

Just seems wrong to me.

@newtown said in Too many project players:

@tilllindemann said in Too many project players:

I will back a recruitment approach that targets young projects like Laurie, Tuki, Simpkin, and Stefano, over a recruitment approach that targets ‘established players’ like Packer and Reynolds any day of the week.

I would label Packer and Reynolds as pre pension players but Wests tigers have, and will, pay their full pensions.

I hate digging this up but…

Say Josh Reynolds went to the Storm/Easts/souths, would he instead become a Gun? Would he be a gritty forward? In short would he develop?

What if James Tamou came here instead of Penrith 3ish years ago? Or Cody Walker?

Because Souths made Cody Walker an Origin level 5/8, As Easts massively improved Luke Keary.

The Storm get the same players we get. The storm get rejects, get unwanted 5/8’s and make them something…

So what if… OUR DEVELOPMENT SUCKS?
just a thought, sure Packer appears to have come here to retire, Reynolds perhaps notm Gold Coast are getting heaps from Corey Thompson.

Maybe the problem is…US. maybe buying other players wont chanrlge our core problem.

@milky said in Transfer Market: Tigers’ shock bid to snare DWZ:

@crazycat said in Transfer Market: Tigers’ shock bid to snare DWZ:

@jedi_tiger said in Transfer Market: Tigers’ shock bid to snare DWZ:

are we able to use some of this year’s salary cap to bump up Mbye so we pay less the next 2 years ?

Why arn’t we doing this for say Brooks? or Twal or Tamou or Daine Laurie?

I don’t understand why we don’t frontload our cap a lot more. Were probably not going to make the 8, what we have to give up on signing DWZ for 400k this year…woopie.

Frontload our spare coin on players we are going to keep. I hate that we have signed Mbye, but I have to admit putting him at 5/8 has worked and he has played his heart out. The fact that he stayed in first grade when Reynolds and Packer dropped all comes down to attitude. I would frontload anyone else but Mbye though.
Look, honestly Mbye was an 750K investment that never worked out. Sure he has sometimes played at the 200k level, sometimes at the 450k level… But if I had to pick our backline it is:
Daine Laurie
Cini/Nofo
Doueini/James - jet-Roberts, plus we have Oliver coming from the UK.
Hastings + Brooks in the halves.

Mbye at best is NR14. OR Mbye starts at 6 and Hastings forces his way into the starting squad.

We probably won’t be signing Mbye on less then 450k. No way we should be frontloading HIM, and why spend so much on NR14 when we could put up a junior. I don’t see where Mbye fits, why front load?

Because this year is technically a write off in terms of recruitment so if we front-load Mbye’s contract he would be on say 500k next year. If he goes to crap and someone picks him up next year, we will only be contributing around 200k as opposed to 500k.

I get front loading. But why Mbye? We have told Mbye to look elsewhere.
Honestly frontload someone like Diane Laurie, Frontload Brooks he will probably be here. Frontload Tamou, Jet, Doueihi, etc.
I can only imagine that we would frontload Mbye 500k, then offload him for another team to pay the 200k next year.
At 200k Mbye would be good money. So if we are frontloading him, are we keeping him?

Why

@happy_tiger said in Ken Maumalo signs until 2023..:

@roar_power said in Ken Maumalo signs until 2023..:

@crazycat said in Ken Maumalo signs until 2023..:

Hey silly question.
Why did the Warriors loose Ken Maumalo to us?

I keep thinking about this and I don’t understand how this happened.

So Warriors have cap space and are chasing DWZ. Did they think DWZ > Maumalo?
Do they have an excess of Wingers?
It can’t be for money, surely the Warriors could match 300k.

I am hoping this is all just too good to be true. Heck maybe Maumalo got involved with Mrs Brown and hence Nathan sent him packing. All good for us.

I have only heard that he didn’t get on with the coach but you can take that with a grain of salt. Seems strange to release him for DWZ.

Brown slapped him …he has form

You mean Brown got Jason Taylor as an adviser!

Honestly, yes it seems a strange way for the Warriors to release someone for DWZ.
Unless they are gunning for one of the offmarket halves, which they may be.
Either Maumalo has a secret addiction or we got a good player at a good price.

Hey silly question.
Why did the Warriors loose Ken Maumalo to us?

I keep thinking about this and I don’t understand how this happened.

So Warriors have cap space and are chasing DWZ. Did they think DWZ > Maumalo?
Do they have an excess of Wingers?
It can’t be for money, surely the Warriors could match 300k.

I am hoping this is all just too good to be true. Heck maybe Maumalo got involved with Mrs Brown and hence Nathan sent him packing. All good for us.

@851 said in Ken Maumalo signs until 2023..:

@tiger5150 said in Ken maumalo:

@demps said in Ken maumalo:

Recap the situation

We supposedly meet Isako, media circus.
Goes no where and he claims he’s sticking solid with broncos.

We talk to dogs about DWZ, they want BJ and then they want Mikaele… not too flexible with the costs involved. We walk away.

We then sign an athletic, tall, young, winger from the warriors looking to prove himself and get back to his best, in first grade.

Huge win.
Team is really shaping up nicely.

Waiting on the negative nellies to paint a narrative that we only took the offers away from DWZ & Issako after they rejected us and we settled for this nuffy. Thats how it goes isnt it?

I am glad we signed Ken over Isaako and DWZ, he will be a good pick up, but I stand by my other statements.
We only took the offers away from Latrell and JAC after we fawned all over them offering plenty with the added bonus of playing fullback, and were rejected

I was thinking about this:
"We only took the offers away from Latrell and JAC "
I think it’s a contract problem. We made a big play for JAC, but he wasn’t biting. Then Jimmy Jet comes on the market.
If we offer Jimmy a contract and leave the JAC contract, what happens if they both sign?
Parra/Storm, nothing. Roosters go shopping to offer the next Junior $1million a season, but with us, we have a problem.

If both JAC and Roberts signed, our cap would be screwed. Likewise with the big 4 we couldn’t have offered 600k, 750k etc and have 900k and 1.2m come back. If you only have 30k in the bank you can’t spend 25k and 20k.

@demps said in What the tigers need to fix to make the finals:

That’s a lot of writing that I can sum up in a simple statement…

At this point we do not have the cattle…

Talau, Jet, AJ? Cmon now…

Got some good incomings next year.
Hopefully a few more good recruits and some promotions for deserving players within.

Demps, we may not have the cattle but we are not building people up.
The only players I have seen lift since coming here are Joe O and Alex Twal.

Roosters, Melbourne, Parra take in rejects and they lift. We take people in and they go down.

@elleryhanley said in Bench use...:

Example one:

Big Luc missed SIX tackles today…most at the end of halves. He gets tired.

Blore has missed ONE tackle in FIVE games…ONE. All season.

Why not give Blore 20 mins extra so that we have a defensive presence out there?

I know LL offers attack, but you can’t keep carrying the missed tackles 30-40 min mark half time every game.

Example two:

RCG has monstered Tamou for multiple games now. Today he went for almost 100 m more than his old Panther’s mate. Why not realise Tamou is badly matched up and get him off once it is clear RCG is dominating? Or even put him on the bench and start someone who can match RCG physically?

Big BJ Luc should be on the bench or in a different role. He scores tries but doesn’t seem to have an 80 minute game motor or the defense to cope with first grade. I totally agree with what you have said. Maybe Luc should try at lock or second row, ok it will be weird but I think he could really still dent the line.

Look, Parra dominate us with their team and bench at the moment. Yes we should try something different. But there was no way I saw us winning against them. Still wondering how their wallet opens so wide for RCG, Matterson, Moses as clearly their other players are on good coin.

@jedi_tiger said in Transfer Market: Tigers’ shock bid to snare DWZ:

are we able to use some of this year’s salary cap to bump up Mbye so we pay less the next 2 years ?

Why arn’t we doing this for say Brooks? or Twal or Tamou or Daine Laurie?

I don’t understand why we don’t frontload our cap a lot more. Were probably not going to make the 8, what we have to give up on signing DWZ for 400k this year…woopie.

Frontload our spare coin on players we are going to keep. I hate that we have signed Mbye, but I have to admit putting him at 5/8 has worked and he has played his heart out. The fact that he stayed in first grade when Reynolds and Packer dropped all comes down to attitude. I would frontload anyone else but Mbye though.
Look, honestly Mbye was an 750K investment that never worked out. Sure he has sometimes played at the 200k level, sometimes at the 450k level… But if I had to pick our backline it is:
Daine Laurie
Cini/Nofo
Doueini/James - jet-Roberts, plus we have Oliver coming from the UK.
Hastings + Brooks in the halves.

Mbye at best is NR14. OR Mbye starts at 6 and Hastings forces his way into the starting squad.

We probably won’t be signing Mbye on less then 450k. No way we should be frontloading HIM, and why spend so much on NR14 when we could put up a junior. I don’t see where Mbye fits, why front load?

@hobbo1 said in SOO Game 1 2021 *Spoilers:

I can’t see the toad lickers coming back from this … I reckon they’ll get pumped again in games 2 & 3

I can.

I think in the forwards it was even. I think the halves were even too. Maybe Harry Grant struggled by himself vs Cookie but he seemed to hold his own.

In the backs, well… Far out. You have
Val Holmes, Xavier Coats, Kurt Capewell, Dane Gagai, Kyle Feldt.
Vs.
Teddy, Brian To’o, Latrell Mitchell, Tommy Turbo and JAC. (kept wanting to write AOC, damn acronyms).

Seriously no comparison. Capewell is good but not up to that level. Gagai, had turned back the clock last season… Holmes can be brilliant, but isn’t at the level of Teddy or Tommy Turbo.

You start putting AJ Brimstone in at fullback, move Holmes in for Feldt. I can see the side become more competitive. If you bring in say Malonie for hooker with Grant, it could be interesting.

Still see a 3/0 NSW win, but a far tighter game once they upgrade the back line. Maroons coach way too loyal to
Feldt, Gagai well we usually see him go up a level at origin but hey how many years can he keep doing this. Worked in 2020, not 2021.

Brian To’o was just huge on the wing. Expect a very large opposition wing to try and stop him.

@cultured_bogan said in Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here:

@tiger5150 said in Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here:

@cultured_bogan said in Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here:

As both an ardent supporter of universal healthcare and someone who has congenital heart disease, I was obviously concerned to read the rhetoric in regard to the changes to Medicare, moreso the 188 cardiac services that were under review (there are nearly 1,000 across the MBS under review in total.)

No doubting the detail of the facts you posted, but you do realise that we dont have universal healthcare in Australia dont you?

We have a fantastic healthcare system and I wouldnt swap it for another that I know of but its not universal and its not fully state funded and would collapse in a week without incentives for private health insurance.

Sorry, you are right. It is a poor characterisation of the system. Socialised healthcare would be more apt.

And they were going so well till they said:
" and would collapse in a week without incentives for private health insurance"

Rofl. This never did a single thing for Public health. There were two incentives for private health insurance:

1. Peter Costello’s 30% private health rebate which got about 0 extra members. For the Billions spent private health memberships did not change.
2. The Scare of increased rates for people over 30 if they did not have private health insurance would have to pay a higher rate.
   Yes this got a lot of HEALTHY people getting private health insurance. The insurance companies LOVED this, healthy paying people loosing money monthly.

None of this helps the public system. Take that money and put it into the Public system and watch it deliver.

Private= breucracy. Now stop looking at American failure. None of the changes we have made have strengthened healthcare.

@bathursttiger1 said in Luke Brooks:

It’s marvellous how good your halves and backline perform when your forwards dominate the middle.

1000% right.
We get owned and we blame the halfback. Newcastle still lost games with Johns if Kennedy and co were out injured.