@tony-soprano said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:
He seems a good bloke too.
I think madge doesn’t mind a veteran winger and he knows how to pick them (lote).
I think beyond the preconceived opinions of him on here you will find he has more upside than AJ.
All I remember of this bloke is him spruiking “tigers are like a bad ex-girlfriend” because our fans hated Ivan. No thanks to this bloke who has passed over the hill. Give me AJ and an upside any day over this flogger.
Our disallowed try early and Gutherson’s ‘onside’ at the finish both had about the same amount of doubt about them, yet one is pulled up and the other awarded. 12 point swing. Very hard to win close matches without the officials giving you the rub of the green.
Ditto for the ‘not played at’ decision when their bloke knocked it over the sideline after our guy kicked it. Pretty much exact same scenario yesterday was ruled as ‘played at’ by Tariq Sims and Newcastle got the ball back. Lottery-like officiating is head-scratchingly bad.
@leichardt99 said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:
@tigerpower said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:
Can someone post the Ivan Cleary article in the SMH about a trade window.
Ivan Cleary calls for trade windows to fix NRL’s ‘messy’ contracting systemPenrith coach Ivan Cleary has advocated for the introduction of trade windows to better regulate the player market, believing the existing free-for-all system is “messy” and creates confusion for players and fans.
The NRL season kicks off in a month and the lead-up has been dominated by speculation about the future of a number of players, despite the fact most are contracted for 2021. The Panthers have been in the spotlight following release requests from Daine Laurie and Matt Burton, two talented players who will struggle to make Cleary’s top 17 when his entire squad is fit.
Laurie was eventually released to Wests Tigers in a player swap that saw Penrith get Paul Momirovski in return, while Canterbury’s attempts to prise Burton out of Penrith a year early – he signed with the Bulldogs from 2022 – have so far been denied.
Another Panther, Josh Mansour, opted to join South Sydney after being informed he wouldn’t be one of the side’s first-choice wingers.
There has also been conjecture all summer about the futures of off-contract stars Jarome Luai, Stephen Crichton and Isaah Yeo, although the club will be in a position to trumpet their retention well before the season starts.
Cleary believes trade windows would provide the game with a commercial opportunity, while also eliminating much of the innuendo that surrounds player movement in a free-market system.
“I just think we can do it better than how we’re doing it at the moment,” Cleary told the Herald.
“I worry about where it’s going to head. Other sports do it and it seems to be successful for them. It creates interest, it creates media, there are plenty of ways how you could package it up.
“Fans can get really involved in the process; it’s like fantasy league, that creates fan interaction and that’s what they are into.
“[Contract] values could be more accurate, recruitment processes would be better and more accurate. It feels like it could be better.
“I don’t have the whole answer, I haven’t looked at it that much, but it’s a bit messy at the moment.”
The Panthers are under no obligation to release Burton, who will provide much-needed depth should first-choice halves Nathan Cleary and Luai be unavailable due to injury or representative commitments. Burton was told from the outset that he wouldn’t be released early and Canterbury haven’t been able to change Penrith’s stance despite offering up at least four different players at various stages in a bid to tempt the Panthers into a swap deal.
The situation is an unnecessary and potentially avoidable distraction for a side attempting to go one better after last year’s grand final appearance. Cleary believes there is a better way.
“You get a lot of situations where guys are confused: ‘Am I going or am I staying? Am I on the market or am I not?’” Cleary said.
“That’s one thing we have tried to do, to be nice and upfront about everything. There’s nothing worse than going out playing and then you pick up the paper and you’re getting shopped.
“The easy thing to say is you wouldn’t be able to police it properly. They used to say that about the salary cap, but they got a lot better at doing that.”
Cleary believes two to three windows a season would give players a smooth transition to a new club if they were struggnrtih Panthers.ling to break into the NRL at their current one.
“You’re probably going to get some teething problems in the first couple [of windows], so it’s important to not just say it doesn’t work and dump it,” he said. “It’s the sort of thing that would become better over time.”
“That’s the one thing we’ve tried to do, be nice and upfront about everything”. That would have to be one of the funniest quotes I’ve heard, coming from an absolute worm of a bloke who doesn’t have a honest bone in his body. Shut your mouth Ivan.
@voice_of_reason said in Common denominator:
@sabre said in Common denominator:
We haven’t made finals since 2011, surely we have to look at what has been the constant since that time. Brooks and Nofoaluma are the main culprits.
I can understand being critical of a halfback over lack of success but to blame a winger is, well, clutching at straws.
The common denominator may not be what we have, it may be what we’re missing - a strong forward pack, rep players, talented spine, better shapes, speed, mongrel, aggression, etc.
Pride in our performance, hunger, spirit, dedication, passion etc etc to the list. Time after time our club embarrasses itself in meaningful games. That’s what hurts the most as a fan.
Are there any good financial advisors off-contract in 2021? They need speed, safe under the high ball and be able to pass both sides of their body
The officiating is an absolute disgrace. Pretty much every game, every week.
The Warriors v Raiders game today where the Raiders had a successful challenge when their bloke was tackled a few millimetres off the ground which resulted in a mid-air tackle ruling. Yet at the death the ref was happy to let a (at least 2m, but possibly 4m) forward pass go. Thank god RTS was there to shut it down, that was disgraceful refereeing.
On a positive note, RTS ran from close to 50m to pull off that try-saver. What an effort!
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@will1999 said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:
kind of don’t want McInnes just will stop Liddle and Simpkin’s development
McInnes was on the extended bench for NSW this year. Would do almost anything to block Liddle’s development tbh, I don’t rate him at all and think the bloke has had enough chances. Everyone wanted grub out when he was constantly injured, that’s the sort of gist I’m getting with Jacob. Have McInnes starting at hooker with him moving to lock mid-game to pave way for Simpkin
I disagree with this completely . Liddle is a weapon . It was clear when he returned , how direct he plays as well as his manipulation around the ruck . He puts his forwards onto the ball, and his ruck deception, creates space for his halves who are close to the ruck , especially on kicking options .
And I haven’t even mentioned the thing everyone notices , his speed and ability to get out .
Grants , passing out of the ruck was bog average in my opinion . We went from one of the teams making the most metres , to one of the teams making the least in 1 season . I think that was the transition from Robbie to grant as much as the forwards shat the bed this year.
Grant is an awesome footballer , I’m not saying he’s not, but Liddle is a better dummy half than grant . Grant is a better footballer .
we conceded double the amount of points mid-way through the season without Grant and having Liddle in the side. I don’t care if you think he’s good, the problem is he’ll do another ACL before the first 10 rounds. Just watch
Poor form basically hoping injury for Liddle. He’s a good young kid who deserves a break injury-wise, I hope he makes you eat your words.
A big congratulations to Corey Thompson on his 100 game milestone today. His size probably should of dictated that he would have never made it to NRL level but his guts and determination got him there regardless. Loved it when he played for us, a wholehearted performer every single week. Letting him go was a huge mistake.
Good onya Corey, hope you have a great game
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@innsaneink said in Gerrard Sutton:
lil pipsqueak
I must be getting old …again apart from the final call …which was the video ref …I thought we got a pretty even game …maybe I need to see OPSM Monday morning …maybe my tangerine ,balck and white sunnies need replacing
I agree, for once felt the luck run with us.
Feel the latrell kick should of been a penalty however.But he can’t call what he doesn’t see …he was following play 15 metres downfield
Yeah im not blaming Sutton, its the only dud call i remember really in the game
The one where we knocked on, Mansour picked it up, busted 2 tackles, ran 15 metres…then knocked it on and it was ruled ‘no advantage’. We got dudded by the slimy little bastard.
@pawsandclaws1 said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:
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Adam Douehi is worth no more than 400k, BJ 450k. You could justify 50k more at a stretch.
Not a chance you take either on back ended inflated contracts.If we are talking 600k + walk away now.I like both but the club has to be sensible and not get desperate. It’s how we ended up with Reynolds, Mbye, Packer on big money.
450k for BJ? Lol. I mean yeah if you could. But you can’t. His metric value is closer to 700k. So yeah 450k won’t happen BUT how good is blind impressions of ones worth
Raiders signed Curtis Scott on a 4 year deal at 400k p.a. He’s 22 and a better centre ask Ricky.
IMO Curtis Scott is not a better centre than BJ and there is no evidence that Ricky thinks he is better. Clearly Ricky thinks he is better value but that is an entirely different thing including his age and salary cap space over time. Also I doubt Scott is on $400K
I think Scott is more consistent than Leilua
Scott may not have the highs of Leilua , but he doesn’t have the shockers that Leilua has either
Scott is the centre we should have purchased. I cannot believe our club is seriously entertaining JL. This must be an all time low. I really question the direction our club is heading if he is
signed
What has Scott shown apart from walloping Dylan Walker? (which is highly commendable by the way). Pretty much zilch. Leilua is twice the player Curtis Scott is. I know which one I’d rather see pull on the WT jersey.
Hypocritical of Lee to criticise certain people of playing out things in the media. He seems to love doing that himself.
@frullens said in Madge Maguire - Mega Thread:
@willow said in Madge Maguire - Mega Thread:
Sheens set for increased role as Maguire retains job
Author - Brad Walter & Dan Walsh
Timestamp - Tue 21 Sep 2021, 06:13 PM
…However, the main change next season will be the involvement of Sheens, who coached Maguire at the Raiders and has a relationship with Tigers great Robbie Farah – a member of the club’s staff – from his time in charge of the Kangaroos.
But weird they cite sheens relationship with frah is from his time as Kangaroos coach rather than his the 6 or 7 years coaching at the tigers
Not sure how good the relationship between Sheens and Farah is these days. Remember when Sheens was sacked he publicly stated “players get coaches sacked”, Robbie and Benji were the head honchos of the boys club at that time so it would be natural to assume Sheens was talking about them in that instance?
@willow said in Madge Maguire - Mega Thread:
Sacked to saved in 6 hours: How ‘circus act’ Tigers flipped on Maguire
JAMES HOOPER from Fox Sports
September 21st, 2021 6:23 pmOn Monday morning word went around the Wests Tigers were preparing to read Michael Maguire his last rites as head coach at the club.
An email was sent informing board members about a 4pm meeting and a statement was drafted confirming Madge was no longer to be the Wests Tigers coach.
At 2.30pm Maguire fronted the Wests Tigers football committee charged with determining the fate of the head coach to plead his case via Zoom.
Whatever Maguire said to under pressure CEO Justin Pascoe, chairman Lee Hagipantelis and board members Simon Cook, Rick Wayde and Danny Stapleton, the pitch worked.
Because in the space of six hours Madge went from being out the door at Concord immediately to being the club’s head coach for a fourth straight season.
The 4pm board meeting was then cancelled as the football committee mulled over Maguire’s admission of his own shortcomings and his vision for 2022.
There were promises made about a complete overhaul of the Tigers football department.
By Tuesday morning the club was drafting an entirely different statement confirming Madge had survived the internal football club review and will remain Wests Tigers coach for 2022.
Head of football performance Tim Sheens has since been informed he will move into a football coaching director role sitting on top of the NRL side.
The sole casualty out of the all-encompassing internal review?
Assistant coach Wayne Collins. Yep, “Snoopy” is the only member of the Wests Tigers coaching staff who is gone for 2022. For now.
One of rugby league’s genuine good guys, it says everything about those who sit in the Tigers front office.
In the statement released on Tuesday Pascoe said: “We are firmly committed to building a high performing club. With our strong financial position, increased investment and recent success of our pathways teams, the new centre of excellence and continued work on a South West academy, the arrival of Tim Sheens and his experience in NRL systems, this club is posed to reap the rewards of several years of hard work.”
Firstly, we think he means “poised” to reap – not posed (SIC).
More importantly, Tigers members and fans are fed-up with the model diagrams of the Centre of Excellence and the corporate mumbo jumbo quotes.
During Pascoe’s six-year tenure, Wests Tigers have failed to make the finals every single season.
In the past three years, they’ve gone backwards.
Fans couldn’t care about the off-field success of the business when the on-field results are a road to nowhere.
Sheens, 71, is the great hope of the side to fix the mess.
The first immediate challenge will be trying to intelligently spend the $1.6 million the club still has out of its $9.3 million salary cap for next year.
The Tigers still have four spots available on the club’s NRL roster with the challenge of signing players one of the biggest pitfalls of Maguire’s tenure.
Joe Ofahengaue, James Tamou, BJ Leilua and James Roberts have hardly turned the club’s fortunes around.
Jackson Hastings and Oliver Gildart arrive from the UK Super League shortly but aside from that the Tigers are rolling into 2022 with a roster widely-regarded as simply not up to NRL standard.
Tigers power brokers have guaranteed they will refrain from giving Maguire a six to eight week deadline and will instead push all-in on Madge for next year.
But how would you know what might happen if there’s another 66-16 debacle like what we witnessed against the Melbourne Storm on the Sunshine Coast.
Sheens will be a genius if he can improve the perception of the club amongst the remaining 15 NRL sides.
Because from an outside perspective the Wests Tigers are a complete circus act.
After the last 48 hours, all that’s remaining is for the club to bring out the bearded lady.
Hooper sites Joe O, BJ Leilua, James Roberts and Tamou as being dud recruits. That bit is fair enough. But he conveniently forgets to mention a few other Madge signings… Doueihi, Laurie and Stefano: 3 signings who had very good seasons and are likely to keep improving.
Hooper is a deadbeat.
@gnr4life said in Madge Maguire - Mega Thread:
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@bagnf05 said in Madge Maguire - Mega Thread:
Robbo congratulated Madge, calling him a fine coach on NRL360. Respected figure in the game. Now let him whip this roster into shape.
The roster he put together?
Whatever mate, half the marquee money was paid to major duds that hardly took the field. The young guys he did attract played well.
What’s been done with that money now it’s freed up?
If he signs whatever half-decent players that are currently available (Sims, Elliot, Peachy, Scott/Burns/Walker) and they don’t work out people will be queuing to jump down his neck for those signings. But there isn’t much else out there. So it’s a bit of a hiding to nothing for him recruitment-wise for season '22.
4 or 5 of those players would bolster our team significantly IMO.
@jc99 said in Spudd as defence coach?:
Hahahaha what a terrible appointment that would be. Can we sign some real coaches please?
As a fitness/conditioning specialist? Can’t see why he would be terrible.
He would definitely have a lot to offer in regards to teaching attitude in defence and working together as a unit. He always had a never say die attitude when he played, something our current group are bankrupt in.
@sunnycoast_tiger said in Who should Madge's assistant coaches be for 2022?:
Neil Henry
Jason Ryles
Haven’t seen Ryles in the Storm box at all this year, don’t know where he is at the moment. He would probably be a good candidate as one of the assistants.
Ryles
John Morris
Matt Johns (consultant)
Matthew Elliot
Get that group together along with what we will already have with Kimmorley and Farah.
Whoever we end up with Madge really needs to embrace his assistants and trust in their input, he can’t just go it alone he needs more tactical input…Madge’s forte is passion.
Just saw NRL Tonight and Spudd Carroll offered his services to Maguire to help out as defence coach. I’m not so sure if he would have the intricate knowledge of successful defensive systems in today’s game but I think he would be a great addition to the club in a fitness/conditioning capacity. He is a winner who will not tolerate peahearts or blokes not putting in for the greater cause. Need more people with desire and fire in the belly around our club to start pulling ourselves out of the chasm we are in.
@leck said in Madge Maguire - Mega Thread:
Make room for the wooden spoon in '22
What a joke…
Looking at our roster for next year we were gonna be massively in the running for it regardless of who the coach was going to be. 2 of our best in AD and Daine will be coming off significant injuries.
@tiger-woods said in Madge Maguire - Mega Thread:
Ok so Madge is safe so who’s gonna get the chop now any players or management ?
Surely some players or management have to go
We can’t have a repeat of 2021
Start with all the coaching assistants, every single one of them is a waste of space and funds. Except Dwyer.
Nofo and Brooks next to go, along with any other player who can’t handle tough love. Pascoe and Lee as well would be beneficial, they just reek of unprofessionalism from the very top of our organisation. Hartigan I don’t know whether he is doing a good job or bad job TBH.
There’s a bit of deadwood culled there for starters. Onwards and upwards.
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Do you think that this is all media attempting to fast track outcomes for their own attention seeking spin that the Tigers should come out strongly to rebuff and condemn this behavior or just remain quiet and get on with the review in their own time
No they are being fed by people in the Tigers covering their tracks in the organisation. Like here it’s turned into a sack Madge discussion. Exactly what it’s designed to do. Distract from the ineptitude of people actually running the club.
People are diminishing the brand of the Tigers to cover their back sides and blaming the coach.It’s not being spun it’s being fed. People can work out who’s playing the games it’s not Madge to a fault he’s straight down the line with most things.
If they are going to sack him do it already the brand damage of letting the media run with this is worse. They need to be sacked immediately.
The self interest in our club is astonishing. Blame the bloke whose been here 3 years when we were a massive rabble when he arrived. Nothing to see here!! Did Madge hire Cleary? Fail to retain Cleary? Fail to retain multiple dally m medal winners? Sign Packer, Ballin, Anasta, Reynolds, Mbye? No. The lunatics are free in the asylum.
Did he fix our defense?
No.because the dud club can’t attract proper first graders as a result of said screw ups.
He stated when he signed he could win with the squad he had though?
He was yet to learn of what was ticking in their chest.
So he can make a claim and when unable to fulfil it make up and excuse?
If you can’t see how dire a situation he got the salary cap in mate then you shouldn’t be so arrogant about your football knowledge. Ivan/Justin blew any chance of us signing good players for four years.
We offered Latrel $1.2M?
And he ran for the hills, didn’t want to be a one man band at an amateur operation.
I thought the cap was stuffed? We haven’t spent to the cap while he has been here.
So the cap wasn’t stuffed because we failed to sign Latrell?
We haven’t spent to the cap while he was here, we had enough to offer Latrel $1.2m. He is shifting the blame, has been doing it for months.
Good players want to win. Latrell turned down good coin because he (his manager) could see we weren’t in a salary cap position to significantly improve the roster around him. It’s just common sense mate. Feels like youre a bit blinded by friendships.
lol, never seen you say one negative thing about Madge and I am blinded.
So having $1,2 to spend is a stuffed cap, what is it we have now $1.6? Don’t think an extra $400k is much if our cap was stuffed
It is when you have got about 15 players in your roster who wouldn’t get a gig at another good club. Why would I bag Madge when I have consistently said for years that management is the issue as they can’t assemble an NRL roster for any coach.
As I have told you before, more than 1 thing can be wrong at the same time and I am sorry to tell you that Madge is one of the things wrong at this club.
It is plain as day, Madge isn’t the only problem, but he is a problem, he needs to go and so do others
Agree. Does anyone at all actually think Madge is a good coach for our team? I see zero evidence that he adapted at all to the biggest change in rules that the league has seen for 15 years. He rolled out the same gameplay that he has been running for a decade and we got lapped. I can’t imagine why next year will be any different. If the solution is “better assistants”, why don’t we hire one of those assistants to be our head coach?
It was shown in an earlier post, about super league players saying he is using the same plays he ran at Wigan in 2010, but he doesn’t have the players to run them now, he can’t adapt his coaching to suit his to his squad, just another of his weaknesses
With this squad consisting of plenty of blokes who either don’t have the heart or desire to compete every game mixed with quite a few who have massively deluded opinions of their own performances (Nofo), I’m not sure how a coach could possibly adapt (or want to adapt to) to suit those sort of players? Maguire is on a hiding to nothing with the majority of this squad.