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Any wonder that there aren’t too many complaints here in Australia. At least our government aren’t flying in plane loads of medical cargo and supplying it to commercial suppliers. Then for our state’s and private institutions basically only having access to them via profiteering auctions, when also competing with our own and other nations, in an attempt to save lives.

Also, imagine if we had to live in that country, where whilst weeks late, you have recently been enabled to get tested for free, but unless you have adequate coverage, likely cannot get medical treatment. Even worse, if you lose your job, you are virtually guaranteed to lose your health insurance.

Not hard to see why the numbers across the Pacific are the highest, when a naval captain is removed from his position for writing a letter of wanting to protect his crew.

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@tony-soprano said in Coronavirus Outbreak:

‪If tens of thousands of people die each year of the flu each year can someone explain why we have closed have the country stuffed our economy and walking around with tin foils on our head for the corona virus? ‬

I’ll take a stab in the dark and say that it just could, might, may be because we are trying stop a worldwide toll of hundred/s of million lives if left unchecked.

I find it really hard to believe that after seeing even a quarter of the potential reality and actual extent of the Chinese lockdown, that anyone would have compared it to seasonal influenza, let alone a bloody leader with months of briefings. I mean, get real people, doors weren’t welded shut for fun.

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@GNR4LIFE said in Coronavirus Outbreak:

@Tiger5150 said in Coronavirus Outbreak:

@GNR4LIFE said in Coronavirus Outbreak:

@Tiger5150 said in Coronavirus Outbreak:

@GNR4LIFE said in Coronavirus Outbreak:

@Cairnstigers said in Coronavirus Outbreak:

Information from USA Today on Saturday

The U.S. counted more than 124,000 cases of coronavirus Saturday, with at least 2,100 deaths, according to the Johns Hopkins University data dashboard. More confirmations are expected as the U.S. ramps up testing.

About 660,000 people are known to have been infected with COVID-19 globally, and more than 30,000 have died.

For those of you who struggle with maths that is almost 5% of people who contract the disease

You watch those numbers in the US skyrocket if restrictions are lifted by Easter

Except that Trump never said it would be lifted by Easter, but dont let that get in the way of a narrative.

That’s his plan. Because “the country wants to get back to work”. He also claimed they had it under control and 15 cases would soon be down to zero. Those are facts, not narrative

Simply fake news. Here is his exact speech. When you hear it with your own ears, you know they are FACTS

He says it hopes it would be over by then.
At 0:24 “This will go on for a while but we will win”. At 0:30 “I hope we can do this by Easter…what a great thing that would be”… “We will meet with a lot of people to see if that can be done”. At 1.00 “My first priority is alway the health and safety of the American people ***I want everyone to understand that we are continuing to evaluate the data…***”

I am NOT a Trump supporter, I have many problems with him but I also have a massive problem with bullshit and I find myself constantly defending Trump because the MSM continually spread complete lies about what he says and it becomes the public narrative.

I have never been able to understand why he cant keep off Twitter, but now I understand becuase it is his only hope of getting unfiltered communication out. It is impossible for him to get a clear message out through the US media. It is actually disgraceful.

So the US MSM narrative is Trumo is going to open the economy Easter Friday, no matter what, heel or high water and he is an irresponsible ass with blood on his hands (despite the fact he never said that as evidenced above) meanwhile the media darling that is NYMayor Cuomo said…

https://nypost.com/2020/03/24/gov-cuomo-says-he-has-group-working-on-restarting-state-economy/
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/489030-cuomo-we-have-to-plan-to-pivot-back-to-economic-functionality
https://www.newsday.com/news/health/coronavirus/cuomo-economy-new-york-1.43424089
https://www.newsday.com/news/health/coronavirus/cuomo-economy-new-york-1.43424089

But thats all cool because he is not a) a conservative and b) Orange.

And i’ve got a problem getting taken out of context. I never said that’s what he said. I said IF restrictions are lifted. Next thing you’ve gone on a massive diatribe. There are other things he has said though which he’s gotten very wrong, typically though, some people want to live in a alternate reality and don’t want others to hold him accountable

I am not going to bother with discussion elsewhere, as posters are again being misquoted such as @Cairnstigers recently above, and it almost inevitably goes on and on as a non existent bone is chased. Easter was his timeline in the political message of the week and disingenuous for even MagpieCol to pretend otherwise.

Trump started stating the reopening at Easter timeline as part of his then latest narrative when appearing on a FOX News exclusive show, which is where I first viewed it. It was one of the catalysts of the new, we will not allow this virus to shut us down for any length of time theme, which carried on from from the initial problem and cure bit. He spoke of this new timeline target after half conceding that the current 15 day plan was not enough, so he would have to extend it to Easter. Not word for word, but unmistakably exactly what he was pushing and even both of the Fox presenters immediately expressed surprise.

He wound it back for the later briefing once his minders got to it, with the above video showing it revisited in a scripted speech. He even restated it was his timeline in that same speech that was quoted to undermine your post, but hey, let’s pretend it’s fake news.

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@GNR4LIFE said in Coronavirus Outbreak:

@Cairnstigers said in Coronavirus Outbreak:

Information from USA Today on Saturday

The U.S. counted more than 124,000 cases of coronavirus Saturday, with at least 2,100 deaths, according to the Johns Hopkins University data dashboard. More confirmations are expected as the U.S. ramps up testing.

About 660,000 people are known to have been infected with COVID-19 globally, and more than 30,000 have died.

For those of you who struggle with maths that is almost 5% of people who contract the disease

You watch those numbers in the US skyrocket if restrictions are lifted by Easter

It won’t happen, as a number of his own party still have some semblance of duty and would revolt, but they are going to skyrocket anyway.

Outside of the major and international cities that were mostly affected initially by those importing the virus, then subsequently rising local numbers ahead of others, I expect that we are about to see a large political slant on the numbers for the emerging problem in areas affected almost exclusively by domestic transmission.

Preliminary reports are apparently already showing that due to the Trump and Fox News, along with some Republican’s earlier and/or continuing denial, a common theme is already showing up in the figures from electoral boroughs. So much so, that if anything like the normal exponential rate of infection for similar areas plays out, the difference in death numbers between most red and blue voting areas will be plain for all to see and possibly even stark.

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Couldn’t believe the guy that I just watched on the news complaining about being put up at the Ibis hotel instead of the Intercontinental. The gall of some people to complain about being housed and fed, along with medicinal needs etcetera for the public good.

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Upon a little more reflection, having given some benefit of the doubt, it is time to give more direction in closing things down as looking at the news and social media reports including those on here. When so many employers are joining the chorus and the two most populous states somewhat biting their tongues, whilst businesses are already showing that the current aim doesn’t work in practice.

Why wait another week or fortnight and extend the pain as it plays out naturally, at the expense of more loss and anxiety, when it is going to occur regardless as long as each infected person is passing it on to more than one other, even if at a low rate.

We are just treading water until the spread rate is less than 1 and our pain will just continue until it is well below that rate.

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@Jedi_Tiger said in Coronavirus Outbreak:

Gladys will get back in in NSW easily time of crisis stick with Libs usually plus no opposition.

With fanboys like you she must be a chance.

Glady’s will not be contesting the next election as leader put your money on it ! The whispers are very loud .

I hope so. God knows how one premier gets the boot for a bottle of Grange, but one remains standing after letting a virus laden cruise ship loose in her most densely populated city.

Isn’t that one of the reasons for the reopening of Christmas Island? There are another 3,000 Australians on cruise ships due to come home. I’m pleased they are coming home, but to Market Street Sydney?

No, Christmas Island was opened for electioneering purposes only and prior to this virus, only used to hold that poor family of four because that is the furthest point of Australia in which courts said they must remain and whose rural community want returned to their home.

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@GNR4LIFE said in Coronavirus Outbreak:

USA have surpassed 100, 000 cases btw.

It’s all good, just a political hoax and whilst the WHO offered a working test, he had a test that was nearly as perfect as his phone call, but by only attaining such a low level, it too was terribly flawed. But hey, April is only around the corner, so it is about to magically disappear and go away well in time to celebrate Easter in large groups and then return to work.

Meanwhile, back in the real world, he lost 401 constituents yesterday and Governers have to massage his ego to get any crumbs of national assistance and their requests to enact a decree that he signed in a public relations exercise a week or so, naturally fall on deaf ears. For a reasonable view on the facts coming from a real leader, look to that below, who though losing 140 local lives in the past 24 hours, believes his own state’s peak, which will be one of the earliest ones, is still some three weeks away.

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@twentyforty said in Coronavirus Outbreak:

A patient attended the hospital asking to be tested for COVID-19. He was asked if he had recently arrived from a hotspot. He told them …no, so was sent away with a flu diagnosis. A week later when doing his own contact tracing he realised he had attended a wedding which included at least one other guest with confirmed COVID -19. He returned to the hospital and was tested positive. It’s easy to flatten the curve if we’re testing the wrong people.

I assume that you omitted a word in your ultimate sentence and whilst our testing has certainly ramped up after what I feel was initially a slow and narrow response, we need to keep doing more as each day passes.

Virtual wholesale testing is what I expect will be needed to get us back to resuming some semblance of what was normal, with an antibodies detection program probably a key part of that as well. I trust that the government is making arrangements for that level of control.

Despite some hiccups, our nation has probably gotten close to where we need to be isolation wise, through a combination of blanket measures, individual state and territory rules, businesses self closing as circumstances altered trading volume and individual choices such as parents self removing children from schools.

I have always been in favour of schools remaining open, but only operating on a skeleton staff catering to the children of the true essential workers, not the silly new norm of every job being called essential on the back of the PM’s gaffe. Would also hope that they will remain open through the proposed holidays for similar support if things get much worse health wise.

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@Tiger5150 said in Coronavirus Outbreak:

@formerguest said in Coronavirus Outbreak:

Meanwhile, back to politics relating to this crisis. To my knowledge, as the opposition’s of any persuasion at both Federal and State level have not been given a single seat at any of the decision tables, they are free to put their in two bob’s worth outside of that, as long as it is constructive. As such, we can only judge the response of those in charge of those jurisdictions and discuss alternatives.

I dont think its reasonable to expect opposition to be given a seat at a decision table, unless there is a specific committee formed. Govt will live or die by these decisions and its unreasonable to expect them to include the opposition and I think it would be counterproductive.

A good example of this is the rescue package just passed in the US (the largest $$$ bill ever passed in history). It was a bipartisan bill, written and constructed by both Republicans and democrats. At the last minute it was stopped by Nancy Pelosi who held it up for three days getting prk barrelling like $25M for the JFK Centre for Arts and Performance. Not very productive.

Our system doesnt really allow the kind of bipartisanship that you are suggesting, but I am sure that in these big decisions that the opposition is being briefed about what is going on and needed.

IMO if Labor was in power, the measures taken would be IDENTICAL, after taking advice from the same experts. Where there would be difference would be the economic stimulus packages where I think there would be significant differences and its impossible to say who would be right or wrong (IVe been impressed with the idea that business only get handouts if they keep employees employed).

I havent voted Labor since Keating but Ive been impressed with their restraint in these circumstances. They have had a few jabs at peripheral things (like clarity in communication…fair enough) but they havent torn into the Govt which I think is sensible. No doubt they are being involved behind the scenes and they also want Australia to get through as well as they can.

Bipartisan bill is a big stretch and there was a hell of a lot more to the negotiations in the US than that example, with many amendments made and I think there are still a lot of problems with it, particularly the roll out to individuals, but no need to go further here.

As to locally, identical no, vastly different, also no, but it is hard to see how anyone could strongly disagree with the rest thus far. The biggest problem for me is the role, or lack of it from Border Force, regardless of demarcation. That and the extent of yet another parliament closure, which is a hallmark of this government and makes it harder for an opposition to be involved.

I hate Scamo more than most, but try to put that aside when evaluating as a whole and as such, there is not much personal nitpicking from me on current events. That said, I have a big issue with the operation of Centrelink earlier this week and will air it later.