It deserves a thread. Our boys stood up fought fire with fire and even with some super dumb plays the grit shown is what i have been looking for.
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Everybody take a breath and look at what we are for what we are!
We are a team crippled by terrible contracts.
We are team with minimal speed.
We are a team without a consistent spine.
We are team with minimal talent.
We are a team with alot of youth and some inconsistent experienced players.
We are a team with minimal impact players.
We are a team that lacks consistency.
While it hurts we DO NOT have the team to compete every week.
What we do have is a coach trying to install hard work grit and determination. And we are seeing that in quite a few players.
What we have is a super positive recruitment process which is unearthing alot of talent.
what we have is positive for and against which is something I can’t remember having for a long time.
What we have seen is some of the best performances a tigers team has shown in the last ten years in terms of grit, defence and determination.
Lets all be honest we are the average toiler at the moment and we are fighting for consistency.
Lets keep things i perspective we are fighting for an 8th spot but more importantly we are trying to build and identity let it happen there will be speed bumps.
RE: Maguire Signs Until End of 2023
For me this is excellent news. For the first time in a long time I can see a future.
- Firstly he is recruiting youth and tonnes of it. We really as a club fell off a cliff after we lost the ‘Big 4’ and really struggled to introduce, value or maintain our junior pathways. Madge is investing heavily in these pathways and is rebuilding the brand holistically.
- We are aiming for big fish and even though we haven’t landed anyway we are in there swinging. While we didn’t land LM and we may not land AC we are in the running which is something we had failed to do for a fair while. Superstar talent at an appropriate age.
- Removing the soft underbelly. While many think madges hard-nosed approach turns players off I would ask are they the players you want. For me im sick of being bullied in the middle, I’m sick of being all flare and zero substance. I agree last season was a failure but I also think there were some signs early that we were heading in the right direction we just couldnt maintain it. We will better this year for it.
- As many have mentioned i just want a period of stability. MAdge is locked in, and you know he will work hard, Hartigan and that storm lad are here, The COE is coming soon a lot of positives. Hopefully, we can turn it around on the field.
RE: Signing Suggestions & Rumours
The last few pages have pretty much done me in this forum. I literally know what he did. I literally saw what it did to a family. I watched how long it took an amazing young woman to put her life back together. I know about the amount of physical attacks. I know that above that there was the isolation from family and friends, the emotional disintegration of self confidence and belief. I know about then years of abuse. This 4 times bullshit is a joke he is a predator. He agreed to quit rugby league as it was his lawyers way of getting him further out of the spotlight and out of a jail term yet here he is.
I just pray that those that think he has done his time etc dont have female children.
Anyway on that note im done here
RE: Signing Suggestions & Rumours
jesus can we not be so biased. Thommo is nowhere near the skill set of paps. Paps is younger faster and has room to grow. Thommo has played for years and should be the best he can be. Is he good yeah he is ok. Is he a game-breaker… no. does he make mistakes he shouldn’t … yes, is he all heart… of course.
But please if you think ct is better the pap your having a laugh
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RE: Inside look into Tigers Management/Negotiations
Lol this forum has gone to pieces. Imagine not liking what a dude says and then labelling him and then being annoyed when someone labels you jeebus.
How good would it be if you could discuss opinions and debate as opposed to name call and belittle. That’s the world we live in though.
RE: SMH investigation Part 2
I have been giving it to Chammas the last few months (in my head not at him) but this is a really good article with some interesting viewpoints. Like i said in a few posts the end of next year is huge for us. We are out of the other licensing contract and are free to pick ONE place to play. To me this is one of the biggest decisions in WT history. Do we have the balls to pull the pin even know a lot of the sup[porter base will be annoyed at whatever the outcome?
I personally dont care where we end up but we need to solidify the club as west tigers. Change all our junior teams, our reserve grade teams to wests tigers. Pick one home ground even if it is campletown. And drop all the rubbish that is west magpies and Balmain.
Once and for all COMMIT to the brand and unlucky to all those that cant move forward with us.
RE: The WT Identity
Without totally knowing the whole story I agree with the article. Along time ago we should have picked a ground renamed EVERYTHING wests tigers and just went to work. I’m a magpie originally and still think we are fighting the same war we always have. Change reserves to West tiger, pick one home ground, invest in growth areas. Just bite the bullet has to happen to grow in my opinion
RE: Signing Suggestions & Rumours
Our forward pack wpuld instantly go from having a softish underbelly to down right nasty.
Stef and thommo
Bateman and blore
The reason this is good imo is both Bateman and thomo lead the line speed at their clubs. We NEED a few forwards that do that.
I love Lucy but if we grab those 2 players he becomes excess tbh
RE: Signing Suggestions & Rumours
A Malcolm Knox article in SMH about salary cap and how entrenched the inequalities of the NRL are (and why no one wants to change this).
The more agitated people are, the less the fundamentals change. When everyone seems angry, the underlying order – who’s on top, who’s underneath – entrenches itself. Plus ca change, plus c’est la meme chose. It was a Frenchman, Alphonse Karr, who coined the phrase in 1862, and, rugby league being to us what philosophy is to the French, it’s true of the NRL in 2021.
The more the game enters uncharted new bubbles, the more deeply it reinforces the status quo. The 2021 season is about to end with virtually the same top, middle and bottom groupings as last year. And, with some small variations, the year before, and the year before that. Fourteen of the 16 NRL clubs are stuck in Groundhog Year.
In the modern game, every gut feeling has to stand up to statistical analysis. Is it actually true?
The NRL is clearly segmented into three divisions, which were quite predictable from the outset given the uneven spread of talent. Some clubs can afford to play representative stars off the bench, in positions where other clubs select reserve-graders. Whether the better clubs have poached or developed their talent matters little; the roster differences are vast. The top six at the outset of 2021 were Melbourne, Penrith, the Roosters, Parramatta, South Sydney and Canberra. The bottom five were Canterbury, Brisbane, North Queensland, Manly and the Wests Tigers. The inconsistent swill bogged in the middle were Newcastle, St George Illawarra, Cronulla, the Gold Coast and the Warriors.
What’s the point?
What’s the point?CREDIT:SIMON LETCH
There have been just two divisional changes this season: Manly (assuming Tom Trbojevic is playing) have risen from third division to first, while Canberra have slipped from first to second. Trbojevic has saved not only the Sea Eagles; he has saved the entire league from the embarrassment of a top-to-bottom repeat set.
For a lockdown project, I broke down the 172 matches played up to this weekend’s round into divisional contests. Forty-eight matches were within the divisions. Of the remaining 124 matches, 91 ran completely as predicted: three in four matches were won by the team in the higher division. Of the 33 that went against the flow, nine featured Trbojevic. Take him out, and five out of six NRL games produced the same result they would have produced in the previous two years.
The Origin period should upset this kind of runaway apple cart. To a degree, it did, with the Tigers beating the Origin-gutted Panthers. But even during that mid-year flux, of 29 matches played between teams from different divisions, 20 were won by this year’s (ie, last year’s, and the year before’s) higher team.
Who’s saved the NRL from complete predictability in 2021? Tom Trbojevic says hi.
Who’s saved the NRL from complete predictability in 2021? Tom Trbojevic says hi.CREDIT:GETTY
Such results might be just what you’d expect at the top and bottom, but they are similarly repetitive for the water-treading middle teams. The Knights, the Sharks, the Warriors, the Titans and the Dragons are all having virtually the same season they had last year and the year before. Their fans must be dying from déjà vu all over again.
Why should this be worthy of commentary? The strong dominate the weak, duh. Better clubs win more matches. Isn’t this the way of the world, the entrenched interests using a crisis to dig themselves in?
Rugby league is meant to have a salary cap that stops this being the way of the NRL world. The salary cap, aside from saving clubs from spending themselves into insolvency, is supposed to offer the game’s supporters a version of hope: a competition that constantly recirculates its winners and losers, generating new leaders, a game in which everybody can start the season feeling they have a chance. Otherwise, you get the dreaded social Darwinism of the European football leagues.
Juventus won nine Serie A titles in a row before their run was ended by Inter Milan last season.
Juventus won nine Serie A titles in a row before their run was ended by Inter Milan last season.CREDIT:AP
The evidence is clear, to everyone except the governing body, that the salary cap is a failed model. When Canterbury or Brisbane or the Tigers have to pay second-rate spine players first-rate money to convince them to serve under their coaches, while clubs led by Craig Bellamy or Trent Robinson or Ivan Cleary can get away with securing quality individuals for “unders” - a beautiful euphemism for market manipulation - then the economic measurement of player value is no longer valid. Lower clubs overspend out of desperation and, to confirm the injustice, those clubs are usually the ones who get caught breaching their salary cap. For what, their fans ask – for those players?
The NRL has proposed a salary cap review, but its stomach to take on vested interests has been weakened by the challenges of COVID. Never waste a crisis, say those in prime position. The ruling junta are pretty happy to leave things the way they are, and if the Roosters hadn’t suffered the misfortune of an injury crisis, they would be even happier.
I feel like I’ve made this argument before (plus c’est la meme chose). Plenty of other frustrated observers have. Measuring rugby league players by what they are paid might have been valid if the difference was between a $60,000 contract and a $150,000 one. But in a world where they are certainly happier to take $500,000 and a premiership than $700,000 and a wooden spoon, the rugby league salary is not only an obsolete way to assess value, it’s a sure formula for prolonging the existing order. Alternatives are available – fantasy competitions use non-financial values every week – but few in the NRL are interested in developing them. Why upset the old men’s way of doing business when it is those old men who speak in support of every NRL decision? You scratch my back …
Nathan Cleary will need to alter his kicking game under the rule change.
The rule change set to transform the NRL kicking game forever
Perhaps the NRL has faith that we will be distracted by the dazzle. Every week, the game produces such astonishing acts of talent that even a lot of the blowouts can entertain for the virtuosity on display. Ten times a week, you will see tries scored which, if, say, the Wallabies did something like that once a year, it would be preserved and paraded like the shroud of Turin. That’s how superior the NRL is right now in terms of skill.
The only thing is, when the excitement wears off, the end result is too often the same as it was. Next year, when fans have more choices over how to spend their leisure time, they will decide how long they can keep on taking it.
The most valid and interesting yet known article I have read in a long time
RE: Jock Madden
no trying to stick the boot in but he was not good. The kicks were poor defense nonexistent and his passing was questionable. Not writing him off but he def isnt first grade ready.
They played the 2nd best team in the comp and it was windy enough that even Cleary skewed a bunch of kicks. I thought he held his own regardless of those excuses.
agree to disagree. IMO he isnt even close to ready