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@Tigerbuck63 said in Wests Tigers Team v Brisbane Rd 10:

Giving you the facts exactly what there on as in the know

By what mechanism are you “in the know”. First hand information or second-hand?

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@Geo said in Chemist Warehouse Injury Report: Round 10:

What’s the go with naming the International representation for our injured players…weird…

Twal back against Parra is a must…

I can remember the same thing about Ireland international Pat Richards, Scotland international Keith Galloway, American international Eddy Pettybourne and Italy international James Tedesco when they were injured.

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@clontarfkid said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@JoshColeman99 said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@diedpretty said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@JoshColeman99 said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@diedpretty said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@JoshColeman99 said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@diedpretty said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@JoshColeman99 said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

The reason they couldn’t hold onto Matterson and force eels to release Stefano was Matterson was leaving the club either way - if they kept him after November they would’ve had to start paying his contract which would’ve come out of our cap and it would’ve been cheaper for eels.

Eels knew that so they denied the Stefano release and waited for Matterson. I’d much prefer it this way compared to having to pay Matterson to play for eels.

What are you on about - Matterson was signed until the end of 2021- he wasn’t going anywhere without a release. We wouldn’t of paid parra a cent. We would have been paying a disgruntled sook to sit out the season if he refused to play - nothing more. So he would have been a good bargaining chip if we hadn’t been so keen to release him.

There’s no way the club could’ve kept him his position was untenable. Keep him in reserve grade and you’re paying his contract to do nothing but upset the playing group.

The club had no choice but to release him, and they didn’t want to pay him to play at another club so they let him go

The original post was about why didn’t we keep him a few months longer to force Parras hand in releasing Stefano. Someone posted that he was going anyway and that we would have been paying parra for him to play if we didn’t release him. Thats what my post is about - nothing about the untenable situation - i couldn’t give a rats that we released him - however we played it really badly.

That’s what I said, and it’s true. As soon as it’s past November you start paying a players contract. If we kept him after November we would have to start paying him when he would get a release either way and it would come out of our cap. That’s why he got released at that time.

The club tried getting a player swap from clubs but clubs knew they could wait and he would get a release anyway. Club was in a crap position, lose-lose really and we can thank Matto for that.

I know all that - we are talking about 2 different things - I am merely commenting on the choices we had - yep we could have paid him and made him sit out the season - we chose not to but in doing so we reduced any chance of using his dummy spit to our advantage.

Unfortunately there was no way we could’ve taken advantage of it. Better than paying him to sit in reserves and go elsewhere after a few months

The player managers and the NRL(Farah case) know were a soft touch,and we always end up losing out.And when the boot is on the other foot,we never win
Need to show some spine at some stage or this wont change.Eels timing wasnt ideal,but still do-able and we got rolled by everyone again
Maybe we need Marina back…?

Show me the club that keeps the agitating player, legitimately. I honestly can’t think of a single player that stayed on with a club when he didn’t want to. It’s lose-lose.

Gorden Tallis is the only one I can think of who sat out time, but that was his own decision (rather than play for St George), they didn’t pay him and it was during Super League. Tallis trained the whole year with the Broncos and St George didn’t pay him, they just refused to release him.

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@JoshColeman99 said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@diedpretty said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@JoshColeman99 said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@diedpretty said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@JoshColeman99 said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@diedpretty said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@JoshColeman99 said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

The reason they couldn’t hold onto Matterson and force eels to release Stefano was Matterson was leaving the club either way - if they kept him after November they would’ve had to start paying his contract which would’ve come out of our cap and it would’ve been cheaper for eels.

Eels knew that so they denied the Stefano release and waited for Matterson. I’d much prefer it this way compared to having to pay Matterson to play for eels.

What are you on about - Matterson was signed until the end of 2021- he wasn’t going anywhere without a release. We wouldn’t of paid parra a cent. We would have been paying a disgruntled sook to sit out the season if he refused to play - nothing more. So he would have been a good bargaining chip if we hadn’t been so keen to release him.

There’s no way the club could’ve kept him his position was untenable. Keep him in reserve grade and you’re paying his contract to do nothing but upset the playing group.

The club had no choice but to release him, and they didn’t want to pay him to play at another club so they let him go

The original post was about why didn’t we keep him a few months longer to force Parras hand in releasing Stefano. Someone posted that he was going anyway and that we would have been paying parra for him to play if we didn’t release him. Thats what my post is about - nothing about the untenable situation - i couldn’t give a rats that we released him - however we played it really badly.

That’s what I said, and it’s true. As soon as it’s past November you start paying a players contract. If we kept him after November we would have to start paying him when he would get a release either way and it would come out of our cap. That’s why he got released at that time.

The club tried getting a player swap from clubs but clubs knew they could wait and he would get a release anyway. Club was in a crap position, lose-lose really and we can thank Matto for that.

I know all that - we are talking about 2 different things - I am merely commenting on the choices we had - yep we could have paid him and made him sit out the season - we chose not to but in doing so we reduced any chance of using his dummy spit to our advantage.

Unfortunately there was no way we could’ve taken advantage of it. Better than paying him to sit in reserves and go elsewhere after a few months

I agree with Josh, there’s no advantage when a player dummy spits and wants out. You are talking about risking, in the case of a high-profile player, hundreds of thousands of the cap just to have them sit on the sideline and “hope” something comes up to bargain against. And every club knows what’s going on, putting you at a negotiating disadvantage.

In the case of Matto, it would have been at least 1/3 of his contract paid out to wait until the start of the season (Nov to Feb inclusive). There’s every chance Parra call your bluff and keep Stefano anyway, and you have to keep paying Matto not to play. Maybe Parra weren’t that interested. It’s difficult when there’s only 1 or 2 parties involved, not a recruitment frenzy. Especially true between seasons when most clubs have little room to manoeuvre in their caps.

Roosters were in a similar boat, but in reverse in terms of “want”, with Latrell and had to pay him out a significant sum before he left the club. Every club knew Roosters wanted Latrell gone and were willing to wait to see how much discount they could get. Souths were not in an immediate position to come to the party, which is what put Tigers in the box seat, not to mention amicable terms with the Roosters over the release. There is no club Roosters wish less to advantage than Souths, even so, Roosters eventually conceded.

Think on that - Roosters, arguably the most powerful roster-managing club going around, paying 1/3 of their star 2X GF winning rep centre’s wage, to spend preseason shooting pigs on his property, then release him to their nemesis.

No, the only way it’s possible is if the player is a pro, and when a release is denied or in consideration, the player still trains and applies themselves 100% as if they were staying.

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@Tigerbuck63 said in Wests Tigers Team v Brisbane Rd 10:

@jadtiger said in Wests Tigers Team v Brisbane Rd 10:

@tonza said in Wests Tigers Team v Brisbane Rd 10:

@tigerap said in Wests Tigers Team v Brisbane Rd 10:

@turkeytiger03 said in Wests Tigers Team v Brisbane Rd 10:

Glad to see McGuire not afraid to make changes. Hope McQueen plays well first up after long spell. Billy playing in the 6 will get lit of publicity with playing the Bronx.

We’ve been hoping for this from McQueen for 3 years now and he hasn’t delivered…don’t hold your breath!

To be honest, he has not let us down in the past when called up. Hopefully he can handle the job until someone better is available.

At 400k a season(reportedly when JT was signing him) he has been a complete failure.3 years of failure

McQueen is actually on $450k
Packer is on $750k a season
We have $1.2m tied up in non performing players.
Till we get the roster right and stop over paying players we will never be a Top 4/8 team however Madge is smarter than other coaches prior.

There is no “actually on” - nobody knows for sure. Unless you work for the Tigers or you are the player himself, his wife or his manager.

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@Jedi_Tiger said in Brooks.... what is he good for??:

Nofo 10 errors interesting

A few of those critical errors too.

Interesting thing about wingers is the errors are normally either
(a) non-critical late-tackle errors, in an attempt to do something with the ball in attack - sometimes bombed tries but usually hospital passes, being pushed into touch or a failed attempt to attack a kick; or
(b) absolutely critical errors in early tackles, trying to bring the ball out.

I recall at least 2 occasions Nofo dropping the ball trying to get a quick PTB. He’s not alone.

I’d really be interested how many errors by players lead to scoring on the following play.

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@WT2K said in Original Apollo biosecurity protocols to return:

@jirskyr said in Original Apollo biosecurity protocols to return:

@happy_tiger said in Original Apollo biosecurity protocols to return:

@supercoach said in Original Apollo biosecurity protocols to return:

Be very surprised if we are not back to lockdown mode within two weeks. The spread is starting to get some speed up here in NSW and I really don’t know how the can pull it back without a lockdown. Without a vaccine and that is probably a year away at best we are going to be in and out of lockdowns for ages.

Should of moved it to Qld when they had the chance

They may try and move the clubs out of NSW if it gets bad. Same as the Mexicans did with the AFL.

Plans in place if it gets to that point apparently

Wonder how many NRL-level stadia there are in NT.

Or here’s a novel idea - ship the whole thing over to New Zealand, like the opposite of what the Warriors just had.

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@the_third said in Mitchells worse than BJ:

@jirskyr said in Mitchells worse than BJ:

@the_third said in Mitchells worse than BJ:

https://www.nrl.com/news/2020/07/13/graham-annesley-weekly-football-briefing---round-9/

He does these every week. Goes into a lot of detail about why LM vs BJ grading different.

Not saying I agree but have a look. It’s quite early in the video

I can’t stomach to watch it, Annesley is as convincing as Donald Trump.

My eyes were bleeding… his justification was pathetic. As he spoke it sounded like he didn’t believe it

He always sounds like he’s reading off someone else’s notes, then he sees the footage himself and thinks in his head “ah what I am saying doesn’t match what I am showing”.

He almost always trails off unconvincingly and when he asks “any more questions?” you can tell he is pooping himself, hoping nobody asks any difficult questions.

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@happy_tiger said in Original Apollo biosecurity protocols to return:

@supercoach said in Original Apollo biosecurity protocols to return:

Be very surprised if we are not back to lockdown mode within two weeks. The spread is starting to get some speed up here in NSW and I really don’t know how the can pull it back without a lockdown. Without a vaccine and that is probably a year away at best we are going to be in and out of lockdowns for ages.

Should of moved it to Qld when they had the chance

They may try and move the clubs out of NSW if it gets bad. Same as the Mexicans did with the AFL.

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@Needaname said in Okunbor, Harawira-Naera reduced to bans and fines:

@jirskyr said in Okunbor, Harawira-Naera reduced to bans and fines:

@happy_tiger said in Okunbor, Harawira-Naera reduced to bans and fines:

Am I the only one who struggles to see what people see in CHN

He’ll get belted if the Tigers can’t lay a platform first for him.

What I will give CHN is he knows how to run a hole, something Garner seems to have forgotten. Chris Lawrence still the only bloke in the side to make tactical runs into gaps and be willing to cop a shot on the way through.

God we have short memories as people.
Garner made the only line break last week ‘running a beautiful line into the hole’ a support player would of scored a much needed try however he gets cleaned up high from Latrell Mitchell.
Garner for all his deficiencies in defence, has no trouble running the ball.

Garner has made 1 linebreak all season, in 8 matches. Chris Lawrence has made 2 in 6 matches. Not enough output from Garner.