I disagree. For too long we have allowed Newscorp to trot all over us. We are always painted as the bad guy. This time we were on the front foot and made sure the narrative was in our favour.
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RE: Gag order required for Hagipantelis and Pascoe
Can't really complain (R11 vs Eels)
That was one of the toughest games we’ve played in years. So much went against us.
- Injuries coming into the game.
- The possession stats were ridiculous. At the start of the second half, we had one set, they had seven sets.
- Michael Chee Kam injury within 60 seconds on the field.
- HIAs to Doueihi (didn’t return) and McIntyre (returned).
Our guys never gave up. I am adamant that was an 80 minute performance. I am very proud of that effort.
Shout out to Shawn Blore on his debut. Showed a lot of promise. My highlight was when Nathan Brown thought he could haze the new kid, and Blore showed him who is boss.
RE: Signing Suggestions & Rumours
Something kind of funny. I remember the doomers in the off season complaining how the Bulldogs were way ahead of us, and asking why we can’t sign quality players like them.
Now after 6 rounds, let’s look at their signings.
- Nick Cotric - On huge coin and they don’t even know where to play him. Looks out of place at the Dogs. Not going badly, but for the coin he’s on you’d be hoping for elite level performances.
- Kyle Flanagan - It’s as if they ordered Luke Brooks off Wish.
- Corey Allan - Same as Cotric, they thought they got a rep level fullback, but they actually got a slightly above average player on big coin. Imagine Tommy Talau on three times the salary…that’s about where he’s at.
- Jack Hetherington - megadud. Can’t even keep himself on the park due to being an idiot.
- Corey Waddell - reserve grade level player.
Maguire lifts lid on player power at Tigers
There’s a perception of Michael Maguire that the coach just can’t shake. Nor does he care to.
In the last two seasons, that perception has arguably cost the Wests Tigers the signatures of several big-name stars reluctant to become just another chapter in the story of the intense, ruthless coach who pushes his players to the brink - and sometimes beyond.
Last year, at the risk of losing his job, which has since been secured in the form of a two-year extension, Maguire drove his players beyond their comfort zone. Some turned on him.
“I was aware,” Maguire admitted of the growing unrest in the playing group towards him. “I was well aware. We were pushing boundaries that we hadn’t pushed before. But we have to push the club to a higher level. If we keep doing things the same, we will get the same result.”
When the Herald sat down to interview Maguire recently, it was apparent that little is known about the coach and his interests away from rugby league.
“You probably don’t ask the right questions,” Maguire fires back. “You always want to go to the other stuff. I’ve got plenty of different interests.”
But even when asked the “right questions”, Maguire reverts back to an old school give-em-nothing approach that - for the most part - has served him well throughout his coaching career.
“It’s nothing that I want to share,” he says. But it’s that very demeanour that amplifies a perception that is backed up by the stories of boa constrictors and baseball bats in dressing rooms, or how South Sydney players used to get fined for using certain words in the media.
“If they are doing it on the park, doesn’t that do the talking?” Maguire asks. "I get we need to do our part to promote the game and those sorts of things, but the success on the park is what creates the greatest ride.
"If I see my players successful and the boys enjoying the ride of what happens when you win a grand final, they get to see what’s real. Because I saw a lot of fans [at Souths] enjoying that ride. They are the ones I care about. I saw a lot of Souths fans living in hope. It went from hope to actually believing it. Then it was that belief that helped us achieve it. That’s more special than people knowing about what I do away from footy.
“The players may say certain things about how hard it was, but I tell you when they were doing that lap around that field with the trophy on grand final day, it was a pretty great moment. They are things this club deserves. That’s why I was so keen to come here.”
On day one of pre-season, following a year of stories questioning his coaching methods and their effectiveness on the modern-day footballer, Maguire addressed a squad shorn of over 1000 games of experience. While his demands had previously been met with raised eyebrows by senior players, his audience is now largely receptive.
“I think we all know times have changed and you need to handle each person in a different light,” Maguire said. “But I’m also dealing with men. I’m not dealing with kids here. It is the responsibility of the senior guys to set a tone around what they want to achieve. If they go after that and they set standards, it influences the young ones.
“You’re growing these men to take ownership of what they are doing. We need leaders to help these younger generations realise that life is not easy. There are challenges, but if you fight through those challenges, it’s amazing what you can achieve.”
Maguire won’t go into detail about how his once-strong relationship with Tigers legend Benji Marshall deteriorated after he dropped the five-eighth following the round four loss to the Gold Coast Titans.
But Maguire made no apologies when asked if he made unnecessary changes that ultimately led to the players, in a private team meeting, admitting they were “walking on eggshells” around their coach.
“I’ve come to the club to make it successful,” Maguire said. “Did I make change for stimulation last year? Yeah, I did. At times it worked, at times it didn’t. But if you keep doing the same you’ll end up the same. I think sometimes you have to be able to get people out of their comfort zone to go to another level.”
Some at the Wests Tigers last year - both in the playing group and head office - questioned Maguire’s stomach for the fight when reports emerged that he had thrown his hat in the ring for other jobs.
Maguire admits he questioned his ability to succeed in the task of turning the joint venture into the powerhouse it could be given its membership and junior nursery. But he insists that, in the end, it only strengthened his resolve.
“Along the way people are going to talk and chatter and ask questions,” Maguire said of the speculation that he was looking for another job.
“Did I have thoughts around how large the challenges ahead of me were going to be? Definitely, I’m not going to lie about that. When I sat down and the Wests Tigers became a club that was available to come to, it was the one I actually wanted. I see the size of the club and the momentum that will get behind the Wests Tigers is enormous. I feel that’s coming.
“Have I seen the change as fast as I would have liked? Probably not. There are more challenges in this job than what I’ve experienced before, but we will make this club successful.”
RE: A star is born...
7 runs 66m
58 tackles 5 missed
Good service from dummy half
Put pressure on Reynolds’ field goal which allowed us to get to golden point.
Unfortunately was caught out at marker on the Tom Burgess try, but I’m sure we can all forgive a 19 year old making his first grade debut for being tired in golden point after making 58 tackles.
RE: Signing Suggestions & Rumours
Benji’s ego getting in the way of his career. Classic. I still remember when he snobbed the Dragons of a $300K/year deal. They took the deal off the table. Almost immediately after he was asking to sign the deal. The deal was gone, Dragons said they had nothing there for him. That is how he ended up at Brisbane on minimum wage.
He should be grateful he was able to extend his career for as long as he did with us. In my opinion it is he who has disrespected us. The current situation is his own doing. I hope the club has nothing to do with him for a few years. Eventually we will need to patch things up in the name of public relations, but not now.
I am so depressed.
Another season without finals football, and another season with no light at the end of the tunnel. The squad seemed to be improving, then the last few weeks we have rapidly gone backwards. I am totally embarrassed to support this team. When people ask me who I support, I sheepishly say “Tigers”, which is normally followed by a chuckle and a “really?”. This is the earliest in the season I have ever considered switching off from rugby league.
When will our pain end?
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RE: NRL Rd 9 *Spoilers
They are fast, hard, clever and and well coached. Everyone offloads, and no plodders. We are light years behind. Most of their forwards would run down our backline. They are a pleasure to watch.
I had never seen some of their players offload before. Christian Welch always looked like a fairly standard hard-running forward. Now he is throwing 3-4 a game, and is second in the league for offloads. Melbourne are so far ahead, everyone else is in their shadow.
RE: NSW Cup Team List: Round 8 v St George
The next game is live on Fox next Thursday, and it is the only game of rugby league on that night. Would be nice for these guys to show what they’re made of. Will be a lot of people’s first time seeing the Magpies play.
RE: Luke Brooks
If we ever extend Luke Brooks’ contract again, this thread will finally take down the Lote Tuqiri one as reigning single-player volume champion.
I feel there is another twist in the Luke Brooks 2021 tale which will send this thread into overdrive.
RE: Dale Finucane
Happily give him 3 or 4 years at good coin. He would be so perfect for us, plays lock has ball skills works his ass off every game and is a leader plus an origin level player.
Doubt he joins us though
Can’t give him good coin until @hobbo1 gives his ‘plodder appraisal’. Otherwise we’re in for another long 3-4 years.
RE: Luke Brooks
What a thread. Almost at 200 pages and the posting rate is climbing with each game.
Luke Brooks is still my king. Here is my brief assessment of his season so far.
Round 1 (Raiders): Did okay. Set up a try.
Round 2 (Roosters): Bad game. Missed a few tackles and went missing in attack.
Round 3 (Knights): Mixed performance. Did some good stuff, but missed a few tackles.
Round 4 (Eels): Played well. Was heavily involved with 2 try assists and good long kicking game. Short game still not there.
Round 5 (Cowboys): Played very well despite getting the blame for 12 other players not knowing how to defend. Was everywhere in that attempted comeback.
Round 6 (Rabbitohs): Solid game. Didn’t create much in attack, but managed the game well. Was kicking us to victory before Latrell ran down the touchline.
Round 7 (Sea Eagles): Bad game. We had a few sets early on their goal line where he was unable to convert the pressure into points. Manly defended well, but there had to be a chink somewhere in their armour, which Luke was unable to find.
Round 8 (Dragons): Mixed performance. Good - kicked well, set up a try and forced a few drop outs. Bad - stifled the good-ball attack in the first half, although he did better in the second half.
So in summary:
- 2 bad, 4 mixed or okay, and 2 good games. That’s my take at least. I feel if the rest of the team improves around him, more of those mixed/okay games will turn into good games.
- Kicking game has improved immensely.
- Struggling to create scoring opportunities in the opposition 20m zone in the first half. This is the equivalent of first innings runs in cricket - if you do the job early, you don’t have to do it later. This is his biggest issue and where most of the criticism comes from.
RE: Signing Suggestions & Rumours
A centre who can put away their winger is a lost art in the NRL. Only a few around who can still do it. Jarrod Croker and Joseph Manu are the only two I can think of who are great at it. Michael Jennings and Latrell Mitchell were very good at it when they played centre. Joey Leilua can do it too when he decides to show up.
Gildart looks like he has that in spades. Defence is the only question.
RE: Tigers need to be Doueihi's team: Tamou
Looking at all the halfbacks in the Top 8 teams (Cleary, Moses, Reynolds, Walker, Hughes, Hunt, Nikorima and Fogarty) only two appear to have a commanding presence anyway IMO. Most are great organisers and they have all developed an exceptional kicking game - with the Top 3 currently having the best in the game - but some of these players halves partners (Luia, Cody Walker, Munster) are just as strong and equally as responsible for helping lead their team out of trouble. They also give these halfbacks the confidence to competently hone any skills or fulfil their role.
While I suspect young Walker has the makings of a Thurston or Cronk, I honestly feel only two other players from that list can elevate their game to the next level (Moses, Cleary). So why turn it into an anti-Brooks quoting when it’s clearly him providing some leadership advice on typical role-related behaviours in a team sport?
These expectations, of sharing the responsibility, are no different to
every other team in the comp.
So considering this I don’t take Tamou’s words as anything other than an endorsement that Luke has a very capable partner that can help promote his game and minimise the pressure.
The case of Jonathan Thurston is an interesting one. He was a five-eighth for the first 50-60% of his career. They spent a long time developing him and would have another halfback take on a lot of the more draining roles, like directing the team around the park. They had guys like Robert Lui and Ray Thompson for a long time to complement him. It wasn’t until later in his career he became the one man show, directing everyone everywhere.
AD seems to want to be a Thurston kind of half. That excites me. Brooks just needs to compliment him.
RE: Luke Brooks
Haha Brooks got asked about Benny Elias trying to buy the club. He looked mystified, had no idea what they were talking about.