I disagree. For too long we have allowed Newscorp to trot all over us. We are always painted as the bad guy. This time we were on the front foot and made sure the narrative was in our favour.
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RE: Gag order required for Hagipantelis and Pascoe
Can't really complain (R11 vs Eels)
That was one of the toughest games we’ve played in years. So much went against us.
- Injuries coming into the game.
- The possession stats were ridiculous. At the start of the second half, we had one set, they had seven sets.
- Michael Chee Kam injury within 60 seconds on the field.
- HIAs to Doueihi (didn’t return) and McIntyre (returned).
Our guys never gave up. I am adamant that was an 80 minute performance. I am very proud of that effort.
Shout out to Shawn Blore on his debut. Showed a lot of promise. My highlight was when Nathan Brown thought he could haze the new kid, and Blore showed him who is boss.
RE: Signing Suggestions & Rumours
Something kind of funny. I remember the doomers in the off season complaining how the Bulldogs were way ahead of us, and asking why we can’t sign quality players like them.
Now after 6 rounds, let’s look at their signings.
- Nick Cotric - On huge coin and they don’t even know where to play him. Looks out of place at the Dogs. Not going badly, but for the coin he’s on you’d be hoping for elite level performances.
- Kyle Flanagan - It’s as if they ordered Luke Brooks off Wish.
- Corey Allan - Same as Cotric, they thought they got a rep level fullback, but they actually got a slightly above average player on big coin. Imagine Tommy Talau on three times the salary…that’s about where he’s at.
- Jack Hetherington - megadud. Can’t even keep himself on the park due to being an idiot.
- Corey Waddell - reserve grade level player.
Maguire lifts lid on player power at Tigers
There’s a perception of Michael Maguire that the coach just can’t shake. Nor does he care to.
In the last two seasons, that perception has arguably cost the Wests Tigers the signatures of several big-name stars reluctant to become just another chapter in the story of the intense, ruthless coach who pushes his players to the brink - and sometimes beyond.
Last year, at the risk of losing his job, which has since been secured in the form of a two-year extension, Maguire drove his players beyond their comfort zone. Some turned on him.
“I was aware,” Maguire admitted of the growing unrest in the playing group towards him. “I was well aware. We were pushing boundaries that we hadn’t pushed before. But we have to push the club to a higher level. If we keep doing things the same, we will get the same result.”
When the Herald sat down to interview Maguire recently, it was apparent that little is known about the coach and his interests away from rugby league.
“You probably don’t ask the right questions,” Maguire fires back. “You always want to go to the other stuff. I’ve got plenty of different interests.”
But even when asked the “right questions”, Maguire reverts back to an old school give-em-nothing approach that - for the most part - has served him well throughout his coaching career.
“It’s nothing that I want to share,” he says. But it’s that very demeanour that amplifies a perception that is backed up by the stories of boa constrictors and baseball bats in dressing rooms, or how South Sydney players used to get fined for using certain words in the media.
“If they are doing it on the park, doesn’t that do the talking?” Maguire asks. "I get we need to do our part to promote the game and those sorts of things, but the success on the park is what creates the greatest ride.
"If I see my players successful and the boys enjoying the ride of what happens when you win a grand final, they get to see what’s real. Because I saw a lot of fans [at Souths] enjoying that ride. They are the ones I care about. I saw a lot of Souths fans living in hope. It went from hope to actually believing it. Then it was that belief that helped us achieve it. That’s more special than people knowing about what I do away from footy.
“The players may say certain things about how hard it was, but I tell you when they were doing that lap around that field with the trophy on grand final day, it was a pretty great moment. They are things this club deserves. That’s why I was so keen to come here.”
On day one of pre-season, following a year of stories questioning his coaching methods and their effectiveness on the modern-day footballer, Maguire addressed a squad shorn of over 1000 games of experience. While his demands had previously been met with raised eyebrows by senior players, his audience is now largely receptive.
“I think we all know times have changed and you need to handle each person in a different light,” Maguire said. “But I’m also dealing with men. I’m not dealing with kids here. It is the responsibility of the senior guys to set a tone around what they want to achieve. If they go after that and they set standards, it influences the young ones.
“You’re growing these men to take ownership of what they are doing. We need leaders to help these younger generations realise that life is not easy. There are challenges, but if you fight through those challenges, it’s amazing what you can achieve.”
Maguire won’t go into detail about how his once-strong relationship with Tigers legend Benji Marshall deteriorated after he dropped the five-eighth following the round four loss to the Gold Coast Titans.
But Maguire made no apologies when asked if he made unnecessary changes that ultimately led to the players, in a private team meeting, admitting they were “walking on eggshells” around their coach.
“I’ve come to the club to make it successful,” Maguire said. “Did I make change for stimulation last year? Yeah, I did. At times it worked, at times it didn’t. But if you keep doing the same you’ll end up the same. I think sometimes you have to be able to get people out of their comfort zone to go to another level.”
Some at the Wests Tigers last year - both in the playing group and head office - questioned Maguire’s stomach for the fight when reports emerged that he had thrown his hat in the ring for other jobs.
Maguire admits he questioned his ability to succeed in the task of turning the joint venture into the powerhouse it could be given its membership and junior nursery. But he insists that, in the end, it only strengthened his resolve.
“Along the way people are going to talk and chatter and ask questions,” Maguire said of the speculation that he was looking for another job.
“Did I have thoughts around how large the challenges ahead of me were going to be? Definitely, I’m not going to lie about that. When I sat down and the Wests Tigers became a club that was available to come to, it was the one I actually wanted. I see the size of the club and the momentum that will get behind the Wests Tigers is enormous. I feel that’s coming.
“Have I seen the change as fast as I would have liked? Probably not. There are more challenges in this job than what I’ve experienced before, but we will make this club successful.”
Wests Tigers re-sign Jacob Liddle
Wests Tigers are pleased to announce that hooker Jacob Liddle has signed a contract extension with the club.
The two-year deal will see Liddle remain in Wests Tigers colours until at least the end of the 2023 NRL season.
A Wyong Roos junior, Liddle joined Wests Tigers in 2015 after earning selection in the New South Wales junior Origin and Australian Schoolboys sides. He would quickly make his first grade debut the following year, before permanently moving into the full-time squad for the 2017 season — playing 13 games and winning the club’s Rookie of the Year Award.
The talented rake has overcome several injuries throughout his career — including a serious knee injury in 2019 that sidelined him for part of the 2020 season also — but has since made a strong return and featured prominently for the club this year.
Liddle surpassed 50 NRL games earlier this year in his side’s win over Newcastle, and said he was very pleased to continue his playing career at Wests Tigers.
“I’m really excited to be able to stay on with the club,” Liddle enthused.
“It’s been a bit of an up-and-down ride for myself personally, but I’ve loved being at Wests Tigers and really feel a part of what we’re building here.
“I’m determined now to make sure I continue to deliver my best footy each and every week and help bring success to the club, its Members and its fans.”
Wests Tigers Coach Michael Maguire praised Liddle for his work ethic and said he was pleased to see the hooker remain with the club.
“Jacob has had to work really hard over the past few years,” Maguire said, “but he’s got himself now to a point where he has grown a lot as a footballer.
“He also knows where he wants to get to as a player and where he wants this club to be, and I’m looking forward to watching him continue to grow and achieve more in the years to come.”
Wests Tigers CEO Justin Pascoe congratulated Liddle on his new deal with the club.
“On behalf of all at Wests Tigers, I’d like to say how pleased we are to see Jacob extend his playing future with the club,” Pascoe said.
“Not only is Jacob a clearly talented footballer but he is an exceptional young man away from the field who genuinely lives out the values of what we want to be known for as a club.
“Jacob has a great attitude towards his football and the club and is determined to deliver success to Wests Tigers. He is a fantastic ambassador for what we are building here and we’re all looking forward to watching him develop further in a Wests Tigers jersey.”
In addition to Liddle’s two-year deal, Wests Tigers are also pleased to confirm that Development Player Kelma Tuilagi will move into the NRL squad for the start of the 2022 campaign on a one-year deal. A Glenora Bears junior, Tuilagi featured for the Junior Kiwis in 2018 while part of the Melbourne Storm system and has featured prominently for the club’s Knock-On Effect NSW Cup side, Western Suburbs Magpies, throughout the year so far.
“Kelma has settled really well into Wests Tigers and has certainly grown a lot already in his time with the club,” Maguire said.
“Being in the full-time NRL squad next season will only benefit his development and we’re looking forward to watching that progress in the years to come.”
RE: A star is born...
7 runs 66m
58 tackles 5 missed
Good service from dummy half
Put pressure on Reynolds’ field goal which allowed us to get to golden point.
Unfortunately was caught out at marker on the Tom Burgess try, but I’m sure we can all forgive a 19 year old making his first grade debut for being tired in golden point after making 58 tackles.
RE: Signing Suggestions & Rumours
Benji’s ego getting in the way of his career. Classic. I still remember when he snobbed the Dragons of a $300K/year deal. They took the deal off the table. Almost immediately after he was asking to sign the deal. The deal was gone, Dragons said they had nothing there for him. That is how he ended up at Brisbane on minimum wage.
He should be grateful he was able to extend his career for as long as he did with us. In my opinion it is he who has disrespected us. The current situation is his own doing. I hope the club has nothing to do with him for a few years. Eventually we will need to patch things up in the name of public relations, but not now.
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RE: Spudd as defence coach?
David Brooks would be a good D coach…so would Dean Pay
I like Dean Pay. Was dealt a similar hand to Madge but Canterbury knifed him before they got their cap back in shape.
And then Barrett immediately blew their cap!
RE: Spudd as defence coach?
Apart from Spud liking the sound of his own voice…he’s more from a run hard tackle harder than the opposition type…yes we need a lot of that as well…a motivator … as a tactician in the modern game with structures and patterns…not so much…
You only have to look at his commentary on KOE Cup…I just told em to get in there and belt it up…before the game
Well yeah, doesn’t mean he can’t value add to our squad and bring on the younger forwards
I remember him recounting last year a conversation he had with Russell Packer, after a reserve grade match, where he offered a few ideas that might help him.
Apparently Rusty said something along the lines of 'Thanks anyway, but I know what I ‘m doing’.
Spud replied … ‘You’re in reserve grade, mate’.
Of course he knew what he was doing. Being in reserve grade was his intention.
RE: The Wests Tigers Board
The board don’t get paid, but they do get access to sponsors. It’s in their best interest that the Wests Tigers are reputable, as its success affects their business endeavours. WT are used as a business network by the board members. If the media are clowning on us, then those board members’ reputations are impacted negatively.
RE: Madge Maguire - Mega Thread
Inside story: Why Maguire was spared the axe at the Wests Tigers
By Michael Chammas and Adrian Proszenko
Updated September 21, 2021 — 3.02pmf
Michael Maguire fronted the club’s football committee on Monday facing an uphill battle to keep his job.
A board meeting had already been set up for 4pm to determine his future, with indications from within the club suggesting Maguire was a dead man walking.
In the meeting, Maguire agreed to a range of provisions around the structure and operation of the football department in 2022, including the implementation of Tim Sheens in a coaching director role.
One of the other concerns that was raised, which was raised in the findings of the internal review, was a separation between the club and the football department.
Maguire was told there would need to be greater engagement between the club and football department, but also was made aware of the club’s desire to have a greater say in the people he surrounds himself with.
At the end of the meeting, the element of the board that wanted Maguire to continue were reluctant to meet for the scheduled board meeting. It was subsequently cancelled, giving the club the night to think about the future of the club.
Privately it believed that even if it decided to move on, the man they wanted as a replacement - Penrith assistant Cameron Ciraldo - was unlikely to take the job at such late notice given his commitment to the Panthers and their quest for a premiership.
This morning the football committee reconvened. The decision, which had swayed multiple times since the club’s final round humiliation at the hands of Canterbury, had to be made.
Ultimately it was decided that it was in the best interest of the club to back Maguire, at least for another year, despite obvious concerns from people in positions of power to start fresh.
“Yesterday there was a football committee meeting and the concerns that were raised by the football review were brought to Michael’s attention,” chairman Lee Hagipantelis told the Herald on Tuesday afternoon.
Michael responded to them in a genuine and sincere manner, and the football committee was very impressed. There’s no questioning of Michael’s passion, commitment and dedication to the club. It was simply a process we had to go through. The board meeting that was convened yesterday was only convened if required.
“It was determined it was not required, and we wished to deliberate further, which we did this morning. The determination was was made to affirm Michael’s employment. We immediately relayed the news to Michael who was humbled by the show of faith in him by the club.”
Maguire has for now been spared the axe, with the coach to remain in charge of the Wests Tigers after surviving the club’s controversial review.
Maguire is under contract for the next two seasons, but there was speculation he was to be sacked for the club’s underwhelming 13th-placed finish. However, the club has confirmed he will remain in charge of the joint-venture outfit.
While we always understood this review and process would take time, it was the responsibility of the football committee to ensure all information was considered to make the right decisions for the club moving forward,” Tigers CEO Justin Pascoe said in a statement.
“Michael has been with the club over arguably its most challenging time with the COVID-19 pandemic, has overseen significant change both on and off the field throughout his tenure and, on behalf of all at Wests Tigers, I’d like to thank him for his effort so far.
“We are firmly committed to building a high performing club. With our strong financial position, increased investment and recent success of our pathways teams, the new Centre of Excellence and continued work on a South West academy, the arrival of Tim Sheens and his experience in NRL systems, this club is posed to reap the rewards of several years of hard work.
“We believe that through Michael’s vast experience and by continuing to challenge the way we operate, we will continue drive the high standards and behaviours needed to ensure we achieve our goals as a club.”
So Sheens is head coach and Maguire swallowed his pride to be Tim’s assistant coach.
Very good for everyone.
This is the worst possible outcome… Maguire is now just a figure head ,he has no say on his assistants no say on recruitment and he will clash with Sheens on how the team plays .
Those that think this is a good outcome well after following this game for over 6 decades and seen over that period how boards at clubs react to these situations 2022 is going to be very volatile in deed .
Maguire is a coach as from today under immense pressure to succeed with all the control in hands of others … I do feel sorry for him !
Sheens isn’t head coach… supposedly now some sort of coaching director.
That in itself shows where our problems really lie.
The board has given him half a dozen titles and he isn’t even here yet.
As much as I wanted Madge to continue I can’t help thinking that, if it was me, I would have taken the $750,000 and told them to shove it.
To me that shows that Madge has invested his heart and soul into this place. It’s even taken his dignity from him. He has laid his reputation on the line to improve us. I wish the players would do the same.
RE: Madge Maguire - Mega Thread
Anyone remember Garth Brennan? Coached Gold Coast in 2018 and 2019 after taking the Penrith Panthers’ reserve grade side to a premiership. He was also an assistant coach to Anthony Griffin.
Everyone thought his success at that level and Penrith connection would translate to NRL. It didn’t. He was not a good coach. All the Penrith connection got him were all the rejects that Griffin/Cleary/Gould didn’t want (Cartwright, Latu, Rein, Peachey)
For reference, see his 2017 grand final team. He had a gun roster at his disposal. Was totally out of his depth at NRL level. His tactical nous was non-existent.
- Mason Cerruto
- Maika Sivo
- Jed Cartwright
- Tony Satini
- Christian Crichton
- Jarome Luai
- Darren Nicholls
- Moses Leota
- Mitch Rein
- Sitaleki Akauola
- Viliame Kikau
- Kaide Ellis
- Sione Katoa
- Tom Eisenhuth
- Corey Waddell
- Nick Lui-Toso
- Jack Hetherington
RE: 2022 Membership info
If you want Pascoe removed as CEO, don’t renew/purchase your memberships, and don’t buy merchandise. These two things are the leverage Pascoe has to continue in his position. He is very good at marketing.
The only power we have within the club is the power of our feet and money. Choosing not to give it to the club is a statement that we do not support the way they are currently run. Know this - you can renew your membership, that’s all well and good, but don’t complain later about Lee, Pascoe, the board, etc. Your membership is a vote of confidence towards the organisation, regardless of your intentions behind the membership.