@kevb said in Tim Sheens Returns to Tigers:
@jirskyr said in Tim Sheens Returns to Tigers:
@tigerblood93 said in Tim Sheens Returns to Tigers:
You mentioned nofa as a ctown kid, how about chris Lawrence, Brett Hodgson and Tedesco? Or the ones we missed like Hayne or Folau, Eric groathe.
My problem is that’s a small number of footballers to mention, if Campbo is such a boom area - population-wise yes, but are those kids playing rugby league? I can easily name 5 or 6 NRL players from any region of Sydney, there’s nothing (yet) special about the output from the Macarthur.
In regards to “missed” players, I’m going to say this every time someone drolls out the same old cliches, but Israel Folau moved to Brisbane with his parents when he was 15. You can’t find your way into the U18s Tigers feeder teams when you live in Brisbane.
And Eric Grothe Jr, you mean we missed out bringing through the son of an Eels legend?
I think you’re missing the point mate if the MacArthur region is " a boom population-wise area" and they are not playing rugby league. The challenge is to get them playing, develop them and provide pathways.
No I’m not missing the point. There are two points: (1) are kids in Macarthur playing league and (2) are those kids ending up in Wests Tigers colours.
On (1) that’s as much the NRL’s issue as Wests Tigers - the overall number of kids playing League country-wide. It’s not just about Macarthur, it’s about League uptake in all regions, particularly league “heartlands” where it has been historically and culturally easier to get kids to play League. A significant part of that issue is if your population growth is mostly driven by immigrants, they are the least likely cohort to be putting their kids into junior rugby league until several generations of assimilation. I could barely point to a single Asian or Subcontinental or African immigrant / heritage rugby league player despite those being boom immigrant regions.
(2) was my point about missed players, which was in direct reference to @TigerBlood93 talking about “Campbelltown kids”.
I personally don’t buy the argument that Macarthur is some magic boom region of both population and potential young footballers. I’ve posted on it several times before, in terms of Local Govt Areas, the Macarthur LGAs are pretty modest in population, and even the growth is not substantially bigger than other LGAs. By a comparison, Strathfield (of all places) was one of the biggest LGA growers in last analysis by the ABS.
Phil Gould made a song and dance on the Channel Nine Monday show about how Tigers should invest more heavily in Macarthur (and that’s to assume he doesn’t know how much we have or have not) and proceeded to talk about the boom growth in Liverpool and also how the second airport would transform the area in the next 20 years. Well that’s dandy but Badgery’s Creek is 22 km from Campbelltown city centre - it’s only 15 km from Penrith city centre. Liverpool is closer to Bankstown and Parramatta than Campbelltown.
Now that’s not to say any particular club can’t invest in a region - hell you can invest anywhere you please, QLD, Victoria, Perth, wherever, but to say I don’t subscribe to the argument that Campbelltown is some magic growth and rugby league region that some other club will successfully mine if Tigers don’t double their efforts (whatever efforts Tigers and Magpies have made so far).
And then that doesn’t even take into account the further arguments: (3) what if you make all that investment and other clubs just raid your native geographies? E.g. Roosters and Storm have the smallest junior league bases going and are the competition’s most continuously successful clubs. (4) why can’t Tigers just pick the eyes of the best juniors in any geography, rather than fixate on just two classical geographies (as we are doing now - many of our signed-up juniors are not local juniors). Etc etc
You are missing the point mate! You just won’t admit it!. A 500 word ramble about demographics doesn’t address a need to grow participation in Wests Tigers junior development and pathway areas in the McCathur region.