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@happy_tiger said in Adam Doueihi:

You need at least one person defending in that middle third with some mobility as well as some defensive capabilities / completion rates

We have a younger player whom may be better than both these two

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@balmain-boy said in Adam Doueihi:

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@pawsandclaws1 said in Adam Doueihi:

@weststigers said in Adam Doueihi:

@pawsandclaws1 said in Adam Doueihi:

@weststigers said in Adam Doueihi:

@tiga4eva said in Adam Doueihi:

Some are doubtful of Doueihis ability. But if we are going to invest in someone on a 500k price tag I’m glad it’s a 20 year old who hasn’t peaked yet. I can’t see us making the 8 with Thompson at fullback. He’s a winger and I’d pick him there every week.
He dropped way too many uncontested kicks last year and he seemed to have to dive way too many times to catch bombs that most other fullbacks would have found regulation.

Just to put the price tag into perspective. Ponga singed with the Knights on $600k.

Yes. Ponga had played less games, but he was an obvious talent - in saying that, the Knights took a punt.

Doueihi is way overpaid on $500k. He’s not even close to what a Rookie Ponga would provide the team.

Madge is right to offer only $350k. He’s got work to do before he’s worth half a million bucks a year.

TBH, I don’t want him at all, but if he comes, it needs to be at the right price.

I don’t agree with your view at all. Doueihi is very talented and there is no dispute about that at all. Most in the Balmain Club would be well aware of this talent. Sure his current contract may be over valued but way overvalued? No way at all. Reynolds, Nofoaluma, Mybe are in exactly the same position for what they contribute to the team. We need talented and smart players in our team and he certainly is both.

It’s well documented that Reynolds and Mbye are poor value for money. Noffa isn’t overpaid imo, but I guess that’s debatable depending on what side of the fence you sit.

All I’ve said is that at $500k, he’s overpaid…You’ve illustrated the same sentiment in your post. Not sure where the disagreement is on his contract value?

If Madge is offering $350k and he’s on $500k or $550k, he’s being paid 130%-140% of his value to the team, so I would think that qualifies him as “way overpaid”.

If you’re suggesting we should overpay because some think he is a talent or potential, then I’d point you to his attacking stats…2 tries and 3 try assists in 30 games. Makes for some grim reading if you want him to be our first choice fullback.

Value for money ship sailed years ago for WTs. Nofaloama is not our first choice winger imo but his reported contract far exceeds that of CT and JAC. That is ridiculous!

AD brings the skills of a half plus size and good pace. If we want into the 8, AD and JAC are the types needed to get you there. AD played very well in the big games last year com ii Ng back from a serious knee injury.

  1. How much do you think Nofoaluma is on?
  2. Did you see Doueihi in the Raiders final?
  3. Why has the value for money ship sailed?
  1. Nof 450k. Jennings 400k. CT 200k. Then the likes of Mom + Talau on 150k

It’s hard for us because we always pay overs because we’re an unattractive club. It’s fine to say we won’t pay overs anymore but if you need up not signing the quality you’re after then we’re no better off.

We simply have to finish in the top 8 this season. Even if we limp our way in. Removing this image of being an unsuccessful and dull club is a priority.

AD will help us make the finals, but it’s not worth screwing up our 2021 cap in the process. JAC will definitely help.

I can agree with this and my estimation was $450k for Nof too. That’s not big money.

I’m all for JAC…he’s a current NSW and Australian player and a proven performer…if you have to pay overs because we are supposedly unattractive, then I don’t mind if it’s for these types of players.

My issue with paying overs for potential is that people think the potential trajectory is linear and always upwards. He could just as easily, and more likely, not meet his potential. When that happens, the club is left holding the baby until his contract runs out.

As of today, Doueihi offers 2 tries and 3 try assists at NRL level in 30 games over 2 seasons with an ACL in between. I’m sorry, but I just can’t cop $500k+ for that contribution.

You may think Nofaloama’s contract is fine but ask his teammates on considerably less if they think so especially CT.

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@TigerSkins said in Adam Doueihi:

@pawsandclaws1 said in Adam Doueihi:

There is a post this morning from the third who seems well informed suggesting South’s need forwards not more backs so it is unlikely they have JAC as a target…

That statement means the opposite … it means they are absolutely after JAC … they said the same about LM and still got him … 😉

The post was from one of our forum.

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@2041 said in Adam Doueihi:

@pawsandclaws1 said in Adam Doueihi:

Value for money ship sailed years ago for WTs

So your thinking is that since we have been struggling to get value for money we should stop trying to do so? Coz that doesn’t really seem like the route to future success.

We need to make the 8 this year. Players of AD"s calibre will assist. We are paying just short of half a million for one winger if figures on this forum are correct and this player can play 1,6 and 7.

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@weststigers said in Adam Doueihi:

@pawsandclaws1 said in Adam Doueihi:

@weststigers said in Adam Doueihi:

@tiga4eva said in Adam Doueihi:

Some are doubtful of Doueihis ability. But if we are going to invest in someone on a 500k price tag I’m glad it’s a 20 year old who hasn’t peaked yet. I can’t see us making the 8 with Thompson at fullback. He’s a winger and I’d pick him there every week.
He dropped way too many uncontested kicks last year and he seemed to have to dive way too many times to catch bombs that most other fullbacks would have found regulation.

Just to put the price tag into perspective. Ponga singed with the Knights on $600k.

Yes. Ponga had played less games, but he was an obvious talent - in saying that, the Knights took a punt.

Doueihi is way overpaid on $500k. He’s not even close to what a Rookie Ponga would provide the team.

Madge is right to offer only $350k. He’s got work to do before he’s worth half a million bucks a year.

TBH, I don’t want him at all, but if he comes, it needs to be at the right price.

I don’t agree with your view at all. Doueihi is very talented and there is no dispute about that at all. Most in the Balmain Club would be well aware of this talent. Sure his current contract may be over valued but way overvalued? No way at all. Reynolds, Nofoaluma, Mybe are in exactly the same position for what they contribute to the team. We need talented and smart players in our team and he certainly is both.

It’s well documented that Reynolds and Mbye are poor value for money. Noffa isn’t overpaid imo, but I guess that’s debatable depending on what side of the fence you sit.

All I’ve said is that at $500k, he’s overpaid…You’ve illustrated the same sentiment in your post. Not sure where the disagreement is on his contract value?

If Madge is offering $350k and he’s on $500k or $550k, he’s being paid 130%-140% of his value to the team, so I would think that qualifies him as “way overpaid”.

If you’re suggesting we should overpay because some think he is a talent or potential, then I’d point you to his attacking stats…2 tries and 3 try assists in 30 games. Makes for some grim reading if you want him to be our first choice fullback.

Value for money ship sailed years ago for WTs. Nofaloama is not our first choice winger imo but his reported contract far exceeds that of CT and JAC. That is ridiculous!

AD brings the skills of a half plus size and good pace. If we want into the 8, AD and JAC are the types needed to get you there. AD played very well in the big games last year com ii Ng back from a serious knee injury.

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@wokesmoke said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@diedpretty said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@Nelson said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@diedpretty said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

This idea of being able to sign a player a year in advance is crazy. I personally think this should only be allowed where a club has given permission for a player to look elsewhere prior to his contract finishing. I believe where a player is coming off contract there should be a signing window say from Oct to end of Nov. Outside of the window the only signings should be where a club and a player have agreed to part ways. Of course clubs are still going to sound players out before the signing period but without being able to sign anyone it avoids the farce that we have with this kid and Arrow.

Then if some poor player gets injured around that time they have no future security. They shouldn’t be forced to leave it until the end of their contract to secure their futures.

Thats true but with the current setup it could be even worse. Say Uto has a career ending injury this year. All he gets is his minimum wage payout from the slime for this year. Our contract of 800k becomes null and void. So in that scenario the kid loses out big time by signing over 12 months in advance.

I’m a big believer in players should take the most money available to them at the time. These guys put their body’s amd health on the line for 40 odd weeks a year in a game that can chew them up and spit them out at the click of the fingers. Clubs should be loyal to their players but I don’t believe players should be as loyal to clubs with taking “discounts” I’ve said it before, the average NRL career is 4-5 years. Make the money while you can.

Allegedly, LM is taking less to be at South’s. You would believe that a manager would have a moral as well as professional obligation to direct his client to the highest offer. I am interested in learning your views on LM and acceptance of the Soths’ deal.

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There is a post this morning from the third who seems well informed suggesting South’s need forwards not more backs so it is unlikely they have JAC as a target. We have the $ to offer the Storm to offset their loss which may work better than a player swap

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@the_third said in Adam Doueihi:

@pawsandclaws1 said in Adam Doueihi:

@pawsandclaws1 said in Adam Doueihi:

@weststigers said in Adam Doueihi:

@tiga4eva said in Adam Doueihi:

Some are doubtful of Doueihis ability. But if we are going to invest in someone on a 500k price tag I’m glad it’s a 20 year old who hasn’t peaked yet. I can’t see us making the 8 with Thompson at fullback. He’s a winger and I’d pick him there every week.
He dropped way too many uncontested kicks last year and he seemed to have to dive way too many times to catch bombs that most other fullbacks would have found regulation.

Just to put the price tag into perspective. Ponga singed with the Knights on $600k.

Yes. Ponga had played less games, but he was an obvious talent - in saying that, the Knights took a punt.

Doueihi is way overpaid on $500k. He’s not even close to what a Rookie Ponga would provide the team.

Madge is right to offer only $350k. He’s got work to do before he’s worth half a million bucks a year.

TBH, I don’t want him at all, but if he comes, it needs to be at the right price.

I don’t agree with your view at all. Doueihi is very talented and there is no dispute about that at all. Most in the Balmain Club would be well aware of this talent. Sure his current contract may be over valued but way overvalued? No way at all. Reynolds, Nofoaluma, Mybe are in exactly the same position for what they contribute to the team. We need talented and smart players in our team and he certainly is both.

I did notice this in that DT article (for what it is worth) so does this represent a softening of the Souths’ position and it is applicable to all the remaining years of Doeuihi’s contract?

It is understood Doueihi is on $550,000 at Souths this year but the Tigers are apparently baulking at paying him $375,000 to make the deal happen.

375 is just his 550 less what Souths have already paid him (or close anyway). No earl contribution from Souths there. Also no mention of the second year - which is supposed to be more than the 550…

Thanks. Are Souths concerned too much off a contribution may make another player unaffordable?

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@pawsandclaws1 said in Adam Doueihi:

@weststigers said in Adam Doueihi:

@tiga4eva said in Adam Doueihi:

Some are doubtful of Doueihis ability. But if we are going to invest in someone on a 500k price tag I’m glad it’s a 20 year old who hasn’t peaked yet. I can’t see us making the 8 with Thompson at fullback. He’s a winger and I’d pick him there every week.
He dropped way too many uncontested kicks last year and he seemed to have to dive way too many times to catch bombs that most other fullbacks would have found regulation.

Just to put the price tag into perspective. Ponga singed with the Knights on $600k.

Yes. Ponga had played less games, but he was an obvious talent - in saying that, the Knights took a punt.

Doueihi is way overpaid on $500k. He’s not even close to what a Rookie Ponga would provide the team.

Madge is right to offer only $350k. He’s got work to do before he’s worth half a million bucks a year.

TBH, I don’t want him at all, but if he comes, it needs to be at the right price.

I don’t agree with your view at all. Doueihi is very talented and there is no dispute about that at all. Most in the Balmain Club would be well aware of this talent. Sure his current contract may be over valued but way overvalued? No way at all. Reynolds, Nofoaluma, Mybe are in exactly the same position for what they contribute to the team. We need talented and smart players in our team and he certainly is both.

I did notice this in that DT article (for what it is worth) so does this represent a softening of the Souths’ position and it is applicable to all the remaining years of Doeuihi’s contract?

It is understood Doueihi is on $550,000 at Souths this year but the Tigers are apparently baulking at paying him $375,000 to make the deal happen.

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@Russell said in Joseph Leilua joins Wests Tigers:

@balmain-boy said in Joseph Leilua joins Wests Tigers:

I think this signing actually spells bad news for Nof. With the Leilua boys on that right side attracting defenders we need someone fast who supports extremely well to take advantage of the room they create. Imagine a half bust by one of them and they look out wide and nof is 10m behind the play, the opportunity lost.

In reality, Alex Johnston would be great outside him.

I prefer Nof to a dud bb.

Agreed. You have to compliment JL with a really fast winger on the outside. No use having Nofo on the outside only to be pulled down from behind when in the clear. You would hope this was thought about prior to JL’s signing.