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Excellent signing - expect he’ll start the year at left centre.

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So if a club employs an ex player in a role with the club after they have retired it comes out of the salary cap. Wow. This NRL are a farce. Still waiting for the explanation off Andrew Gee and the Broncos for all their rorting - oh but wait its the Broncos- my bad.

It’d be an easy way to circumvent the cap. We could effectively offer an experienced, elite player minimum wage in 2019-20 with an agreement for $500k a year from 2021-23 to be an ambassador or whatever else.
Thus we have Mr Elite on the books for nothing whilst we chase a premiership, when his real market value is far beyond that.

It obviously happens all the time in terms of handshake agreements, but clubs would be smart enough to ensure there’s nothing official until the player’s career is over.

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i dont think i have all the facts here but is this the summary?

  • robbie was under contract for x amount of years with the WT
  • rabbitohs picked him up dirt cheap in 2017 where we were gonna pay robbie the remaining of what was owed to him
  • he also signed a contract with the club for 639k for an “ambassador role” to be paid out over 3-4 years

didn’t we get an unfair advantage in 2017/18 because technically whatever is owed to robbie should’ve been included in the cap?

I believe the timeline is as follows:
1. Club negotiates to have Farah released at the back end of 2016. An ambassadorial role is openly discussed.
2. Farah is released and joins Souths, who are reportedly only paying $250k of his ~$950k contract, with the Tigers responsible for the rest.
3. Around this time, the Tigers apply for cap relief from the NRL, on the basis that Farah was only released as he was a disruptive presence.
4. Farah plays out the remainder of his contract with Souths and then back at WT for the back half of 2018.
5. Farah then re-signs for one more year (2019) with WT.

The crux of the matter appears to be whether an agreement was formally agreed to re: this ambassador role. Whilst Pascoe etc spoke of it publicly, the club’s statement today suggests they don’t believe anything was officially signed to and/or agreed.
The NRL clearly believe they have documentation stating that the deal was signed off. If that’s the case, then WT don’t really have a leg to stand on.
As Greenberg said, the rules re: these jobs post-playing are quite clear in that they need to be declared - there was an issue with Gasnier and the Dragons a few years back from memory.

Still, even if that is the case, the punishment seems very harsh in terms of the fine, cap penalty as well as Pascoe being banned.
As a comparison, the Eels were fined $465k for their ongoing illegal payments a few years back. The Tigers fine is nearly double that.

That’s true, but if there is a signed document, why would the tigers say this in their statement: “The club does not know if he is going to take it up and Robbie has not indicated his intention in return.”

That doesn’t sound like an agreement was reached.

I will be very angry if it turns out there is a signed document. It’s one thing to break the rules (perhaps unwittingly), but it is another thing altogether to lie about it.

That’s the $750k question.
It should be a pretty quick process of appeal either way - the agreement either exists or it doesn’t.

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i dont think i have all the facts here but is this the summary?

  • robbie was under contract for x amount of years with the WT
  • rabbitohs picked him up dirt cheap in 2017 where we were gonna pay robbie the remaining of what was owed to him
  • he also signed a contract with the club for 639k for an “ambassador role” to be paid out over 3-4 years

didn’t we get an unfair advantage in 2017/18 because technically whatever is owed to robbie should’ve been included in the cap?

I believe the timeline is as follows:
1. Club negotiates to have Farah released at the back end of 2016. An ambassadorial role is openly discussed.
2. Farah is released and joins Souths, who are reportedly only paying $250k of his ~$950k contract, with the Tigers responsible for the rest.
3. Around this time, the Tigers apply for cap relief from the NRL, on the basis that Farah was only released as he was a disruptive presence.
4. Farah plays out the remainder of his contract with Souths and then back at WT for the back half of 2018.
5. Farah then re-signs for one more year (2019) with WT.

The crux of the matter appears to be whether an agreement was formally agreed to re: this ambassador role. Whilst Pascoe etc spoke of it publicly, the club’s statement today suggests they don’t believe anything was officially signed to and/or agreed.
The NRL clearly believe they have documentation stating that the deal was signed off. If that’s the case, then WT don’t really have a leg to stand on.
As Greenberg said, the rules re: these jobs post-playing are quite clear in that they need to be declared - there was an issue with Gasnier and the Dragons a few years back from memory.

Still, even if that is the case, the punishment seems very harsh in terms of the fine, cap penalty as well as Pascoe being banned.
As a comparison, the Eels were fined $465k for their ongoing illegal payments a few years back. The Tigers fine is nearly double that.

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The punishment seems excessive for the reported ‘crime’ - there has to be more to this than the reported circumvention attempt, especially given that discussion was all in the public space at the time.

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I think the best team won in 2010. We were a close second, but the Dragons deserved to win the comp that year.
We win that roosters game 99 times out of 100, and had a few other things go against us (Payten going down), but still came up only a few cm short.

I thought we were the best team come September in 2011. Had a great run home - the win against Manly up at Gosford was the moment I thought we could do it.
The second half against the Dragons in the first semi was almost perfect. Unfortunately the second half against the Warriors a week later was anything but……

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If true, this is a great pickup. He was having a great year until his injury mid-season.
Will fill a massive hole on the right edge.

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Just on any announcements, I doubt we’ll see any today given the news cycle is full of origin selection content.

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He looked nervy and anxious first half, grew into the game a bit as it went on and finished well. Thought he got lucky for the Lawrence try, but did well for Nofo’s try - had a similar opp in the first half and didn’t engage his man at all.
He’s still too inconsistent IMO, but is our best option at the moment.

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There’s a long way to go, but we’re well on track.