Not sure what people expect from 22 and 23 year old props.

Props don’t traditionally hit their straps until a bit later than that.

Last year a lot of Forumers were prepared to let Seyfarth go, now he is starting to come good. Tom Mikaele has had a few injuries that have set him back, he has been improving, even with an interrupted schedule. The problem is, a lot of people think we are doing the right thing signing good youth but then do not want to give them the time to improve and reach the heights that was expected of them in the first place.

I mentioned Seyfarth but there was Asu “AJ” Kepaoa (21) and Tommy Talau (21) - how many, have called for their heads?
Zac Cini (21) played 2 games, one good, one not so - Sack him was the cry!, Reece Hoffman had 1 game - not good enough, get rid of him! and so it goes on.

If we are not prepared to give them a decent go, why sign young blokes in the first place, they are not always going to be a Sam Walker but you have to give them a go to find out. Just my opinion.

@mighty-mouse said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

I hope it’s now very obvious to everyone that it was an appalling decision to let go of Marshall. A huge influence both on and off the field and now we have nothing. On ya madgey

Mate give it a rest - he is gone and hopefully NEVER coming back!!!

Smartest decision Madge ever made.

@truetiger said in Liddle:

@russell said in Liddle:

@jedi_tiger said in Liddle:

@russell said in Liddle:

@851 said in Liddle:

@russell said in Liddle:

I am more worried about the Club having any loyalty to him.

Love your passion Russ, but the club have shown this kid more than enough loyalty, any other club would have cut him loose years back with his injury record, not re-signed him like they did

Loyalty works both ways - they have to give him the opportunity to show loyalty back.

He only has maybe 7-8 years left, he has to look after himself - a lousy 1 year is a joke. If they can’t see he is the best DH in the club at the moment they don’t deserve him. Would think Robbo is keeping an eye.

more like robbo will be keeping an eye on simpkin

Yes, you maybe right - he likes the way he stands with hands on hips instead of defending. Says he’ll be good in the Rorters RMC.

Russ in my honest opinion.Liddle has had a fair bit of NRL experience compared to Simpkin,even though his development was halted through injury,he was touted the heir to Robbies throne…
Simpkin was signed because they saw huge potential in the kid…The club should be glad they have both these players,they both are talented and Simpkin is still learning his trade,Liddle will only get better at his in the not to distant future…

TT it is my turn.

I sat back for a month and watched Simpkin very closely and I would say impartially. Many and I say many raved on for weeks when Liddle played the first five games of the season and rubbished him, “his defence is terrible,” “his passing is very slow,” “he is quick but doesn’t run from DH,” “He can’t play 80 min,” “he is injury prone” and so on and so on.

“Simpkin needs to be given a chance,” “he’s the next Harry Grant,” “the kids a star,” “won’t be long before he is a SOO hooker,” “this guy has been ripping it up in Reggies, needs to be in the NRL instead of Liddle” and so on and so on.

Well, from what I saw (don’t care if he played 3 games or 50 in the NRL or how old he is 19 as opposed to the ancient Liddle at 24), and I am judging him NOW - not after 50 games, because people want him in the team NOW, not in 50 games time.

Verdict - currently he is not as good as Liddle, he has too many things to work on, to even be on the bench. Standing around with hands on his hips after passing the ball from DH and watching play and then just jogging to the PTB after the next one is not on. Hogging the ball and going himself, when there was an overlap and we could have scored had the ball gone through the hands. Invariably choosing the wrong option at DH is frustrating to other players to say the least. Defence is very ordinary. loves being third man in to up the figures.

Yes he was signed because he had potential. he hasn’t reached anywhere near NRL level AT THIS POINT, needs to learn his trade first, before applying same trade in the NRL. (The NRL is not a pre-school).

Yes I defend Liddle - he needs someone to speak up for him, even though his game does that for him.

I don’t think he deserves to have his chance taken away from him by some kid “wet behind the ears” that is not ready for the NRL.

Maybe he will be the next Cameron Smith (why stop at Harry Grant) - However, he is NOT at the moment and the team plays currently with a lot more cohesion when Liddle is at DH.

Totally disagree with everything you said, absolutely everything.

You are only guessing like we all would who is responsible - it is all now in the past.

We have discussed this over and over again, and you are bringing up the same thing again.

Maybe you could start a thread that is a positive spin on the club.

@MAGPIES1963 said in Matterson unhappy at Tigers?:

G’day @WT2K: how do you know what you are saying “but won’t tell Maguire to his face” to be true?

He was our equal best player along with Luke Brooks. We/I thought of him as Captain material next year… and he certainly didn’t put up a disgusting non-display like Moses did before he was basically…sacked.

If a player is ‘genuinely’ unhappy playing for us, what is the point in keeping him?

Is Maguire the reason he wants out?.. Cleary was the coach he came to play under, so maybe there is a personality clash between Matterson and Maguire?

Is $$$ the reason he wants out?..IMO Matterson is worth more than we are reported to be paying him… so maybe Wests Tigers aren’t smart enough or professional enough to work out a deal to keep him at our club?

Quite honestly…I can’t believe the amount of rubbish that so many of our forumers are saying about him.

Maybe this sort of attitude has spread further than our forum into other parts of the club…and is the reason he doesn’t want to be here any longer’?

Let the bloke go in peace…with his dignity intact and Wests Tigers dignity intact as well. That way he may be able to go to his next club and say 'I wasn’t happy there, but Yuh know what…“Wests Tigers are a good club”.

We all win that way…don’t we?

No - we lose a very good player who was signed for another two years.

Therefore - player wins, new club wins - we lose.

Compensation is an absolute must.

@tigerwest said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

‘The standard is a lot higher’: Eisenhuth back where it all started

https://www.nrl.com/news/2021/02/04/the-standard-is-a-lot-higher-eisenhuth-back-where-it-all-started/

I guess he is not planning on coming back?

“The standard at the Riff is a lot higher than what I’m used to, to be fair, but it’s exciting,” Eisenhuth told NRL.com.

Maybe he should have added that the “Tigers required a higher standard than I was producing, so they let me go”

The vibe at the Tigers was no more nuffies - so I guess I just didn’t fit in any more.

Matt - go and bag your head.

@rex2ce said in “Fortress Leichhardt:

One of the first things we should do in 2020 is to get rid of the “Fortress Leichhardt “ mentality, from a Wests Tigers point of view ,it should be renamed “Fortress Chokehardt”, no home ground advantage at all.

That has nothing to do with the ground or the crowds.

It is however to do with our roster, the teams “will to win” the referees that do not give calls to the home team, like they do at other grounds.

Blaming Leichhardt Oval is a very poor excuse for losing.

@Goanna57 said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@The_Patriot said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@ElleryHanley said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@jirskyr said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@ElleryHanley said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@hsvjones said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@TSupps05 said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

The dogs just offer players 100k+ more than they are worth, we have come out and said we will not be paying overs anymore which will shoot us in the foot a couple times.

Because we have been burnt in the past… We just need to pick better and we have the staff now to do this unlike Cleary’s recruitment.
need to get the first one over the line and if that means an extra 100k then so be it… Make it happen

It is not just that. Barret is “a player’s coach”. The Turbo bros love him and player’s talk. A lot of coaches like Cleary and Barret treat each player differently.

Madge is one way…10000% and intense.

That works for Bellamy as you get grand finals and glory.

But not many people want that intensity. Madge will only attract a certain type of player…and that means we need to be patient. LL, AD want Madge’s style, but not everyone does. Bennet gives blokes a week off…everyone is his best mate…

Do you know any of this to be true directly, or all hearsay? I’m not a fan of making grand statements about the personalities of people you’ve never met, nor even had second-hand information about.

Benji said it on 360…I am presuming he knows what he is talking about.

“From a guy like Madge (Maguire) who only knows one way of, ‘we’re going to train as hard as we can, we’re going to get as fit as we can and it doesn’t matter what it takes to get to that, we’re going to build mental toughness’… and I really enjoyed that,” the New Zealand star added.
"But I think what’s happened now is the generation has changed where I think the kids are a little bit different these days where individually people need different types of training, or different types of understanding.
“Some people don’t handle tough love, and understanding that is probably the biggest challenge that Madge is going to have for next year.”

Seems its not just the young players that need special attention and lots of hugs. Looks more like Benji didnt get enough love and is having a shot at the guy who got rid of him.

Glad he is gone, cant move on with players like that.

Mate if you think Maguire is the saviour you’re kidding.
Look at his last 4 years as an nrl coach unable to get a team into the 4 took a team that finished 9th in 18 and 19 to 11th in 2020. It seems he will not adapt to modern day football,he’s inability to adapt and listen is why he had a player revolt at Souths. He’s record last 4 seasons is poor

A lot of people have said the same thing about Saviours, they don’t believe in them until they are not there anymore.

I thought better of you Goanna to not fall into the trap of looking at figures instead of the real picture. You know why we haven’t got into the top four as well as most of us. A below average team for past two years, a totally overspent cap to contend with, a few precious players who do not want to work for there payments and a bad culture that needs changing. It is a slow process which impatient people do not want to be part of - they want a magic wand for Madge to wave and suddenly we are in the GF. It doesn’t work that way and I would have thought you of all people would realise this. I know we all would like to flick our fingers and presto there we are but it took many years to dig the hole we are in and it is far to deep to jump out of - we have to cut steps and slowly climb out…Madge is cutting those steps!

As for the player revolt at Souffs - don’t think so. He was whiteanted out of that club because Seibold wanted his job. The next year he did not coach, so hardly would be able to get a team in a four.

It is some of the players in our team that will not adapt (not Madge) and he is slowly getting rid of the dead wood, unfortunately we had enough of that, to build a small boat. The Scumbag from the Pamfers did a lot of damage and it won’t be fixed overnight.

Give him a go Mate - May not be the Saviour but he is not a “very naughty Boy” either - just a good coach.

@harry-boyes said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

As much as I like Lomax he’s not the player that we need going forward. If the tigers are committed to developing our juniors like they say they are we are bound to have great centres come thru. The tigers lack mental resilience, so instead we should look to target Brandon Smith for next season and Clint Gutherson for the following season. These 2 give 100% every game and their ‘McGuire players’. Tbh I don’t where Gutho would play but to have him in the team would be a massive boost to the team.

Lomax is not the player we need?

He is a better centre than who we have and who we have played in our NRL team.
i.e. Joey, JTJ, Talau, Mbye, AD, AJ, Pauga, MCK - probably missed someone.

He is better than who we have coming through in at least the next three years.
i.e. Hoffman, Cooper, Kei, Cini, Wilson, Hughes, Fuatimau, Alexander, Tavui, Soakai and so on.

You must have a centre that is a plausable get up your sleeve that is invisable to all others.

@davey_farrell said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

yup exactly everything ennis said is correct, we simply cant attract anyone and now its becoming so evident no one wants to come to Tigers… Im not bothered about Thompson on that money but i just cant see any future and that is so worrying. The young kids look good but they cant do it on their own…Questions have to be asked of Madge now but nothing will change as we all know. Pascoe will just say we have a centre of Excellence next year and the club is going well financially. Unfortunately all we care about are on field results and Pascoe doesnt care about that.

Good old Ennis - always good for a baggin’ (he did it on the field like a grub, and is doing it off the field).

What is the solution Ennis?

What do the Tigers do to attract players Ennis?

Oh! they don’t want to go to the Tigers, the tigers aren’t interested in being a retirement home (like they have been), the Tigers just aren’t interested in buying losers or the Tigers aren’t interested in paying massive overs (like they have previously).

Well, well, what is your answer dopey? Big on putting the boot in but like most of your comments on fox, you don’t back it up with answers.

As a commentator or analyst - you would make a great bricklayer.

I suggest you leave us to work out our problems and try and help the “Dogs” work out how to stay under the cap.

@avocadoontoast said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@russell said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

Could not tell you how many times I have read someone on here say “I’m done”, “I’m out of here”, “I’ve had enough”, “I’m not watching anymore.”

You literally left the forum after Liddle got dropped for Simpkin.

No acknowledgement

@momo_amp_medo said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@strongee said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@cqtiger said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

Throw insane money at the best coach. Bellamy should have been offered a ridiculous amount of money to leave Storm.

Bennett should be offered what he wants, we know he loves the $$.

Ask Trent Robinson what it would take to come here.

These guys would get rid of crap players in a minute. They attract good players. They have years of good defensive systems behind them.

If a Bellamy, a Bennett or a Robinson can’t get us firing then shut us down.

Buying premierships does NOT work . It is literally the reason we are in this mess . We neglected the juniors to invest all our resources in the first team , and got meh above average players on overs , which killed our cap .

This is what guys like you don’t understand . You see things as 10 years when in reality it’s closer to 2 . The sharks had 3 million of cap sitting on the sidelines ? Did they ? Because who was taking that money in the current market , if not for those players ? They had , just like everyone , thier over the hill over paid players sitting on the sidelines . If anything this season was a changing of the guard for many clubs . Including our own .

The dogs won’t even make the 8 , the next 2 years . That’s my prediction . It took Penrith 8 years to get thier 5 year plan to succeed … and it wasn’t 5 million dollars of meh talent that did it . It was thier juniors who played together since Harold Matt’s .

For anyone that didn’t notice …… Our season was well over, done and dusted, at the end of June.

Confidence missing, heads down and that unhappy feeling of players playing because they had to and not what they wanted to be doing.

Hard to turn things around when external sources (media and fans) are lobbying for heads on the spikes. Throw in our inability to recruit and constant media and agents chatter that we are linked to signing anything that moves.
On the field every time we seem to poke our noses in front either the referees, the bunker or that old Lady Luck do us no favours.

So you would agree THAT is pretty bad environment to live in and try and achieve anything positive.

My understanding is that advice the club has been given is to circle the wagons, load the rifles and man the sentries and wait for the the circuit breaker moments.

Believe me this is no time to to go weak knees and cut and run …… “The worm will turn” for us on all the fronts.

Madge said that he needed men to stand with him in this battle. That goes for Players but also so called FANS and SUPPORTERS.

Absolutely agree Momo.

I think a few in the team mirror a few on the WTF - when it gets too hard, cut and run, no staying power.

Could not tell you how many times I have read someone on here say “I’m done”, “I’m out of here”, “I’ve had enough”, “I’m not watching anymore.”

However they expect the team to do the opposite.

@davey_farrell said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

yup exactly everything ennis said is correct, we simply cant attract anyone and now its becoming so evident no one wants to come to Tigers… Im not bothered about Thompson on that money but i just cant see any future and that is so worrying. The young kids look good but they cant do it on their own…Questions have to be asked of Madge now but nothing will change as we all know. Pascoe will just say we have a centre of Excellence next year and the club is going well financially. Unfortunately all we care about are on field results and Pascoe doesnt care about that.

Good old Ennis - always good for a baggin’ (he did it on the field like a grub, and is doing it off the field).

What is the solution Ennis?

What do the Tigers do to attract players Ennis?

Oh! they don’t want to go to the Tigers, the tigers aren’t interested in being a retirement home (like they have been), the Tigers just aren’t interested in buying losers or the Tigers aren’t interested in paying massive overs (like they have previously).

Well, well, what is your answer dopey? Big on putting the boot in but like most of your comments on fox, you don’t back it up with answers.

As a commentator or analyst - you would make a great bricklayer.

I suggest you leave us to work out our problems and try and help the “Dogs” work out how to stay under the cap.

@tigertownsfs said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

Thoughts on Pearce for 3 years? We need a change.

You’re right - we need a change.

However it should always be a change for the better.

This guy is an absolute dog (pun intended), never wanted to play for us and he is past his used by date. Just my opinion.

@thedaboss said in NRL Rd 23 *Spoilers..:

poor kid

Yeah! feel real sorry for the flog…NOT!

@avocadoontoast said in **live game feed ** vs the Sharks:

@russell said in **live game feed ** vs the Sharks:

@moh said in **live game feed ** vs the Sharks:

Shout-out to Simpkin for being the only player all night to try keep the try as far from the goal-posts as possible.

Well at least now he can say he tried to do something.

Slagging off a young player because he’s challenging your pin up boy is pretty sad Russ.

No acknowledgement.

@barnzee said in **live game feed ** vs the Sharks:

@russell said in **live game feed ** vs the Sharks:

@tiger-ferret said in **live game feed ** vs the Sharks:

@851 said in **live game feed ** vs the Sharks:

@inbenjiwetrust said in **live game feed ** vs the Sharks:

Ophenague, Utoikamanu, and Twall came to play, the rest??

Mbye has been our best, Simpkin also very good, and Joe has had some good moments

Simpkin was holding his own for the 27 minutes he was out there…

Rubbish - you also have to defend or don’t you count that?

7 games to get his first try assist mate how many did it take your man ?

No acknowledgement.

@newtown said in **live game feed ** vs the Sharks:

@dwight-schrute said in **live game feed ** vs the Sharks:

My old man’s 86.
Madge’s attitudes and coaching remind me of him.

No wonder Souths kicked him out. The players don’t like him. Even on the Tigers Foxtel documentary the Tigers main Sponsor Mr. Meriton was heard to say to Pascoe “the players don’t like him because he is too hard on them”. Suffice to say that the club’s main sponsor us not happy at all. I don’t blame him.

He is not the main sponsor - heard of Brydens Lawyers?

@moh said in **live game feed ** vs the Sharks:

Shout-out to Simpkin for being the only player all night to try keep the try as far from the goal-posts as possible.

Well at least now he can say he tried to do something.

@ozluke said in **live game feed ** vs the Sharks:

@hobbo1 said in **live game feed ** vs the Sharks:

@ozluke said in **live game feed ** vs the Sharks:

who’s the video ref? perenara?

Yeah him

we were doomed from the start…how he has a job is beyond me

The video Ref. is Atkins.