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Not to be be funny or rude but us not making the 8 for over a decade is nothing to do with my opinion.

This is a fact. This fact though doesn’t mean we are viewed poorly or management is incompetent.

A lot of these problems are just your perspective.

And the perspective of 99% of rugby league people I know

Who cares ? Seriously. It’s just your assessment of people you know. I know plenty of people and the last thing they do is tell me how incompetent the Tigers management are. I have a lot of friends who are also Tigers supporters.

How many people realistically talk to you every day about how incompetent the Tigers are ? I think most people have the Tigers management ability pretty low on their priorities of things to discuss.

I’d question your sample assessment but I assume you are just using hyperbole.

I’ve been around the game all my life, as an average player at best, coach, and referee. So I know a few and I discuss it a lot. That ranges from NRL players to my wife who patrols the junior league canteen, it’s common knowledge WT are a rabble mate.

Mate which district ? I think this has a bearing on where an opinion is coming from . There’s a lot of bias and things said like the “the tigers are a rabble “ and when pressed on the whys , they come up with a story from 5-10 years ago . Once someone gets an idea in thier head , it’s very rare for people to truely be open to changing it .
This was my whole point about targeting players Not affected by our past mistakes .
I don’t see how you can say we are a rabble when we are one of the only profitable teams in the comp ? To me , manly are a rabble . The sharks are a rabble . The sharks have had a good team since the late 80s yet fall into financial hardship every 5 years . Seriously , if the sway of living in the shire wasn’t there , they would have folded years ago . They have to recruit flat out , and this last crop of juniors is thier first in like 10 years with actual talent .

Another team that’s a rabble , the warriors . Have a whole country to pick from , but can never field a winning team . Have been through 4 owners as far as I can remember , and almost went out of business , when they changed thier name to NZ.
The dogs - have way too many hands in the kitchen , and haven’t fielded a decent team in 5 years , next year will be no different .
Secret bad team … NQ. Haven’t won anything , without a certain JT in thier squad , have the most diehard region of football fans in the world to pick from , huge corporate support , yet consistently produce rubbish . Bleed money like crazy as well . This same description applies to the dragons as well

You need to look at things objectively. Just because , you’re having conversations inside your echo chamber doesn’t mean , that it’s a fact . All it means is everyone inside that bubble has the same hive mind .

The region I live is irrelevant mate because it’s not just hearsay, it’s week after week of player dramas, year after year of coaching issues (note I like Madge), year after year of losing our must win games after showing early glimpses of hope, and a relentless stream of players, player managers and other clubs treating us with no respect at all. Even in the recent case, when we wanted a meeting with the NRL, they said ‘in a few weeks’. Even the league shows us little respect. Nobody is making this stuff up.

I’m just quoting this to say that this to me doesn’t constitute objective truth.

Point 1:- Week after week of player drama. The only player drama I have heard of in relation to our club is the Aloiai situation. This is not week after week of drama. It’s rare. Other clubs are also in the news in relation to player drama all the time. Souths have had Sam Burgess. Penrith have a cocaine problem. Nth Qld have a player sleeping with a married staff member. We aren’t alone in our player drama and it’s definitey not something that occurs weekly.

So point 1 clearly isn’t an objective fact.

Point 2:- Year after year of coaching issues. I don’t know what you mean here. We had Cleary leave us a coupleof years ago. Do other teams lose their coaches ? Do they sack them ? How many clubs sacked their coaches this year. Did we ?

So point 2 clearly isn’t an objective fact.

Point 3:- year after year of losing our must win games after showing early glimpses of hope. Yeah this sucks but to be fair you shouldn’t have hope for next season.

So point 3 might be a fact but you are missing out on a key point and that is teams have finished below us every year. I don’t think it’s an objective fact.

Point 4:- A relentless stream of players, player managers and other clubs treating us with no respect at all.

This is clearly not an objective fact. It’s a subjective opinion that says nothing about Wests Tigers. I mean can you even explain what a relentless stream of players means. I mean is this happening to us daily ? How do you explain players taking drugs, having sex with women and filming it and even being up on rape charges. All of this is played out in the media. Do those players respect their clubs ?

Point 5:- The NRL disrespects us because they ask to delay a meeting for a couple of weeks.

This is to me a little bizarre. I mean does this really offend you ?

So your argument is, we should be allowed to have drama because other clubs do to? Look it’s simple, we need to challenge the top eight sides on the field, play finals footy, hold onto our best young players and start recruiting some guys that aren’t on another teams scrap heap. Until then, my opinion is we’re a rabble. There’s facts in there if u look hard enough.

Part of being in this business means that there will be player drama. We are dealing with young kids in a lot of ways and some of those kids have rugby league as their ticked to a better life. It happens to all teams. You can’t expect us to be different.

We do challenge the top 8 sides on the field. We aren’t a walkover hence we are coming middle of the table. We aren’t dead last every year consistently.

As for recruitment and retention it’s hard but it’s not all bad. I reckon LL and AD are close to top tier signings. We’ve signed some great young kids in Stef and Blore and maybe even Laurie.

I can definitely state we aren’t a rabble. The club appears to be doing everything it can right. We won’t know how things turn out but I don’t expect to make the finals next year. I do expect to keep building a decent team.

We may also surprise on the upside next season.

It’s about expectations, obviously mine are different to yours. Statistically each team should make the eight one in every two years, we haven’t made it in 9. I expect more than dead last when I make the 4 hour round trip to the footy, which I do often.

We have never been DEAD last.

So I guess your expectations have been met.

Yea , to me the guys saying and I’m paraphrasing , so relax if verbatim you didn’t say this , but the attitude of “we are the worst team in the comp” , has zero relevance to reality .
It’s like the NRL version of anti-vaxing, or flat earthers .
It’s true because I saw it on Facebook/ you tube , or my mate told me that his mate told him about this thing he saw on a website which was a link from another website . And somehow in 2020, this has become an actual point people are arguing .
Here’s the deal guys . If you saw it on net , and it wasn’t linked to something official , eg . A daily telegraph article , or , some random website . It’s probably not true .
Also , if your mate says something and they arnt a direct employee or , have had a first hand fact driven experience , it’s probably got a bit of magic dust sprinkled on the story, or , is jump hype train piling on , to continue the conversation at the pub. Most times when people say these things , and you ask them why they think that , it’s usually some anecdotal reason they heard somewhere , or complete BS. It’s rarely true . From my experience talking to people like this .
I’m not telling people how to suck eggs , or trying to be insulting , it’s everything you see and read has to be treated as crap. Especially the things that reinforce your strong opinion on something , as all social media , and some websites , have algorithms specifically designed to keep you in your echo chamber.
We all need to be mindful of this .

Mate you blokes get tied up on fact versus fiction.

Who is the club with the longest running finals drought? I’ve been paying membership for those 9 years, and I have every right to voice my concerns and expect more. As you do to voice yours.

So let’s move on.

You said we were the worst team in the comp. Many of us have come out and said that’s utter rubbish. Refuting that claim. It’s all good if you say something “yea your right we arnt the worst , I’m just frustrated “that’s fine . But you guys doubled down . Which lead to the whole debate . No ones having a go at you . Well I’m not at least . I just think that’s not true , and it’s the type of comment and perception , that we are railling against . Perception vs reality

No I said we’re a rabble. We’re not the only rabble.

Like I said earlier in another post I was paraphrasing . I actually think Trippa said that . Still even the rabble comment , has little to do with facts , and more just perception. We arnt a rabble . We are stuck in sports purgatory! Not good enough to compete for a title , yet not bad enough to suck outright , that you can bottom out and build from the ground up. There’s an easy way out by “tanking” or bottoming out and playing kids , or there’s the really hard route , which is trying to fix it on the fly . And because of the nature of the sport being fix it yesterday , coach’s ,GMs , recruitment managers , CEOs , make short sighted decisions because , they’re worried about thier job . Hence all the poor “marquee” signings over the last 5 years .
I hate losing more than most , I just watch a lot of different sports , both here , and the US , and it’s so hard to build a team . Here more so , because we don’t have any natural talent dispersion tools like a draft , and transparent salaries .

I agree with you on this. Whether it’s a rabble or purgatory or whatever name you give it, I’d love to see it end.

Yea ,but rabble and implies ineptitude at every level . And I just don’t think that’s true . Not even a little bit . Purgatory implies , we are trying everything , doing all the right things , but for whoever reason we are missing that final ingredient. And I don’t think it’s incompetence . It’s nice to put a big bow around things and gift wrap it , but that’s not how it is. It was because of the boardroom bull crap , which lead to Tim Sheens and the boys club , which lead to a toxic culture of enabling under performance . Benji especially has a lot to answer for . It’s why Ben Teo did what he did , Woods felt holier than thou , and finally teddy wanted out etc. losing him was finally the “recession we needed to have “ . Cleary actually screwed us more than a lot of people realise , because his on the bus rubbish really polarised people , only for it to be a whole lot of rubbish .
So we get to the last 2 and a bit years under Madge . The systems have been adopted finally through the club , the roster is beginning to look like something of a Madge team . And the boardroom rubbish is a thing of the past .
People just blend things like 9 years of losing because to them it has been 9 years . But to those in the club it’s really 2-3 years .

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Not to be be funny or rude but us not making the 8 for over a decade is nothing to do with my opinion.

This is a fact. This fact though doesn’t mean we are viewed poorly or management is incompetent.

A lot of these problems are just your perspective.

And the perspective of 99% of rugby league people I know

Who cares ? Seriously. It’s just your assessment of people you know. I know plenty of people and the last thing they do is tell me how incompetent the Tigers management are. I have a lot of friends who are also Tigers supporters.

How many people realistically talk to you every day about how incompetent the Tigers are ? I think most people have the Tigers management ability pretty low on their priorities of things to discuss.

I’d question your sample assessment but I assume you are just using hyperbole.

I’ve been around the game all my life, as an average player at best, coach, and referee. So I know a few and I discuss it a lot. That ranges from NRL players to my wife who patrols the junior league canteen, it’s common knowledge WT are a rabble mate.

Mate which district ? I think this has a bearing on where an opinion is coming from . There’s a lot of bias and things said like the “the tigers are a rabble “ and when pressed on the whys , they come up with a story from 5-10 years ago . Once someone gets an idea in thier head , it’s very rare for people to truely be open to changing it .
This was my whole point about targeting players Not affected by our past mistakes .
I don’t see how you can say we are a rabble when we are one of the only profitable teams in the comp ? To me , manly are a rabble . The sharks are a rabble . The sharks have had a good team since the late 80s yet fall into financial hardship every 5 years . Seriously , if the sway of living in the shire wasn’t there , they would have folded years ago . They have to recruit flat out , and this last crop of juniors is thier first in like 10 years with actual talent .

Another team that’s a rabble , the warriors . Have a whole country to pick from , but can never field a winning team . Have been through 4 owners as far as I can remember , and almost went out of business , when they changed thier name to NZ.
The dogs - have way too many hands in the kitchen , and haven’t fielded a decent team in 5 years , next year will be no different .
Secret bad team … NQ. Haven’t won anything , without a certain JT in thier squad , have the most diehard region of football fans in the world to pick from , huge corporate support , yet consistently produce rubbish . Bleed money like crazy as well . This same description applies to the dragons as well

You need to look at things objectively. Just because , you’re having conversations inside your echo chamber doesn’t mean , that it’s a fact . All it means is everyone inside that bubble has the same hive mind .

The region I live is irrelevant mate because it’s not just hearsay, it’s week after week of player dramas, year after year of coaching issues (note I like Madge), year after year of losing our must win games after showing early glimpses of hope, and a relentless stream of players, player managers and other clubs treating us with no respect at all. Even in the recent case, when we wanted a meeting with the NRL, they said ‘in a few weeks’. Even the league shows us little respect. Nobody is making this stuff up.

I’m just quoting this to say that this to me doesn’t constitute objective truth.

Point 1:- Week after week of player drama. The only player drama I have heard of in relation to our club is the Aloiai situation. This is not week after week of drama. It’s rare. Other clubs are also in the news in relation to player drama all the time. Souths have had Sam Burgess. Penrith have a cocaine problem. Nth Qld have a player sleeping with a married staff member. We aren’t alone in our player drama and it’s definitey not something that occurs weekly.

So point 1 clearly isn’t an objective fact.

Point 2:- Year after year of coaching issues. I don’t know what you mean here. We had Cleary leave us a coupleof years ago. Do other teams lose their coaches ? Do they sack them ? How many clubs sacked their coaches this year. Did we ?

So point 2 clearly isn’t an objective fact.

Point 3:- year after year of losing our must win games after showing early glimpses of hope. Yeah this sucks but to be fair you shouldn’t have hope for next season.

So point 3 might be a fact but you are missing out on a key point and that is teams have finished below us every year. I don’t think it’s an objective fact.

Point 4:- A relentless stream of players, player managers and other clubs treating us with no respect at all.

This is clearly not an objective fact. It’s a subjective opinion that says nothing about Wests Tigers. I mean can you even explain what a relentless stream of players means. I mean is this happening to us daily ? How do you explain players taking drugs, having sex with women and filming it and even being up on rape charges. All of this is played out in the media. Do those players respect their clubs ?

Point 5:- The NRL disrespects us because they ask to delay a meeting for a couple of weeks.

This is to me a little bizarre. I mean does this really offend you ?

So your argument is, we should be allowed to have drama because other clubs do to? Look it’s simple, we need to challenge the top eight sides on the field, play finals footy, hold onto our best young players and start recruiting some guys that aren’t on another teams scrap heap. Until then, my opinion is we’re a rabble. There’s facts in there if u look hard enough.

Part of being in this business means that there will be player drama. We are dealing with young kids in a lot of ways and some of those kids have rugby league as their ticked to a better life. It happens to all teams. You can’t expect us to be different.

We do challenge the top 8 sides on the field. We aren’t a walkover hence we are coming middle of the table. We aren’t dead last every year consistently.

As for recruitment and retention it’s hard but it’s not all bad. I reckon LL and AD are close to top tier signings. We’ve signed some great young kids in Stef and Blore and maybe even Laurie.

I can definitely state we aren’t a rabble. The club appears to be doing everything it can right. We won’t know how things turn out but I don’t expect to make the finals next year. I do expect to keep building a decent team.

We may also surprise on the upside next season.

It’s about expectations, obviously mine are different to yours. Statistically each team should make the eight one in every two years, we haven’t made it in 9. I expect more than dead last when I make the 4 hour round trip to the footy, which I do often.

We have never been DEAD last.

So I guess your expectations have been met.

Yea , to me the guys saying and I’m paraphrasing , so relax if verbatim you didn’t say this , but the attitude of “we are the worst team in the comp” , has zero relevance to reality .
It’s like the NRL version of anti-vaxing, or flat earthers .
It’s true because I saw it on Facebook/ you tube , or my mate told me that his mate told him about this thing he saw on a website which was a link from another website . And somehow in 2020, this has become an actual point people are arguing .
Here’s the deal guys . If you saw it on net , and it wasn’t linked to something official , eg . A daily telegraph article , or , some random website . It’s probably not true .
Also , if your mate says something and they arnt a direct employee or , have had a first hand fact driven experience , it’s probably got a bit of magic dust sprinkled on the story, or , is jump hype train piling on , to continue the conversation at the pub. Most times when people say these things , and you ask them why they think that , it’s usually some anecdotal reason they heard somewhere , or complete BS. It’s rarely true . From my experience talking to people like this .
I’m not telling people how to suck eggs , or trying to be insulting , it’s everything you see and read has to be treated as crap. Especially the things that reinforce your strong opinion on something , as all social media , and some websites , have algorithms specifically designed to keep you in your echo chamber.
We all need to be mindful of this .

Mate you blokes get tied up on fact versus fiction.

Who is the club with the longest running finals drought? I’ve been paying membership for those 9 years, and I have every right to voice my concerns and expect more. As you do to voice yours.

So let’s move on.

You said we were the worst team in the comp. Many of us have come out and said that’s utter rubbish. Refuting that claim. It’s all good if you say something “yea your right we arnt the worst , I’m just frustrated “that’s fine . But you guys doubled down . Which lead to the whole debate . No ones having a go at you . Well I’m not at least . I just think that’s not true , and it’s the type of comment and perception , that we are railling against . Perception vs reality

No I said we’re a rabble. We’re not the only rabble.

Like I said earlier in another post I was paraphrasing . I actually think Trippa said that . Still even the rabble comment , has little to do with facts , and more just perception. We arnt a rabble . We are stuck in sports purgatory! Not good enough to compete for a title , yet not bad enough to suck outright , that you can bottom out and build from the ground up. There’s an easy way out by “tanking” or bottoming out and playing kids , or there’s the really hard route , which is trying to fix it on the fly . And because of the nature of the sport being fix it yesterday , coach’s ,GMs , recruitment managers , CEOs , make short sighted decisions because , they’re worried about thier job . Hence all the poor “marquee” signings over the last 5 years .
I hate losing more than most , I just watch a lot of different sports , both here , and the US , and it’s so hard to build a team . Here more so , because we don’t have any natural talent dispersion tools like a draft , and transparent salaries .

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Not to be be funny or rude but us not making the 8 for over a decade is nothing to do with my opinion.

This is a fact. This fact though doesn’t mean we are viewed poorly or management is incompetent.

A lot of these problems are just your perspective.

And the perspective of 99% of rugby league people I know

Who cares ? Seriously. It’s just your assessment of people you know. I know plenty of people and the last thing they do is tell me how incompetent the Tigers management are. I have a lot of friends who are also Tigers supporters.

How many people realistically talk to you every day about how incompetent the Tigers are ? I think most people have the Tigers management ability pretty low on their priorities of things to discuss.

I’d question your sample assessment but I assume you are just using hyperbole.

I’ve been around the game all my life, as an average player at best, coach, and referee. So I know a few and I discuss it a lot. That ranges from NRL players to my wife who patrols the junior league canteen, it’s common knowledge WT are a rabble mate.

Mate which district ? I think this has a bearing on where an opinion is coming from . There’s a lot of bias and things said like the “the tigers are a rabble “ and when pressed on the whys , they come up with a story from 5-10 years ago . Once someone gets an idea in thier head , it’s very rare for people to truely be open to changing it .
This was my whole point about targeting players Not affected by our past mistakes .
I don’t see how you can say we are a rabble when we are one of the only profitable teams in the comp ? To me , manly are a rabble . The sharks are a rabble . The sharks have had a good team since the late 80s yet fall into financial hardship every 5 years . Seriously , if the sway of living in the shire wasn’t there , they would have folded years ago . They have to recruit flat out , and this last crop of juniors is thier first in like 10 years with actual talent .

Another team that’s a rabble , the warriors . Have a whole country to pick from , but can never field a winning team . Have been through 4 owners as far as I can remember , and almost went out of business , when they changed thier name to NZ.
The dogs - have way too many hands in the kitchen , and haven’t fielded a decent team in 5 years , next year will be no different .
Secret bad team … NQ. Haven’t won anything , without a certain JT in thier squad , have the most diehard region of football fans in the world to pick from , huge corporate support , yet consistently produce rubbish . Bleed money like crazy as well . This same description applies to the dragons as well

You need to look at things objectively. Just because , you’re having conversations inside your echo chamber doesn’t mean , that it’s a fact . All it means is everyone inside that bubble has the same hive mind .

The region I live is irrelevant mate because it’s not just hearsay, it’s week after week of player dramas, year after year of coaching issues (note I like Madge), year after year of losing our must win games after showing early glimpses of hope, and a relentless stream of players, player managers and other clubs treating us with no respect at all. Even in the recent case, when we wanted a meeting with the NRL, they said ‘in a few weeks’. Even the league shows us little respect. Nobody is making this stuff up.

I’m just quoting this to say that this to me doesn’t constitute objective truth.

Point 1:- Week after week of player drama. The only player drama I have heard of in relation to our club is the Aloiai situation. This is not week after week of drama. It’s rare. Other clubs are also in the news in relation to player drama all the time. Souths have had Sam Burgess. Penrith have a cocaine problem. Nth Qld have a player sleeping with a married staff member. We aren’t alone in our player drama and it’s definitey not something that occurs weekly.

So point 1 clearly isn’t an objective fact.

Point 2:- Year after year of coaching issues. I don’t know what you mean here. We had Cleary leave us a coupleof years ago. Do other teams lose their coaches ? Do they sack them ? How many clubs sacked their coaches this year. Did we ?

So point 2 clearly isn’t an objective fact.

Point 3:- year after year of losing our must win games after showing early glimpses of hope. Yeah this sucks but to be fair you shouldn’t have hope for next season.

So point 3 might be a fact but you are missing out on a key point and that is teams have finished below us every year. I don’t think it’s an objective fact.

Point 4:- A relentless stream of players, player managers and other clubs treating us with no respect at all.

This is clearly not an objective fact. It’s a subjective opinion that says nothing about Wests Tigers. I mean can you even explain what a relentless stream of players means. I mean is this happening to us daily ? How do you explain players taking drugs, having sex with women and filming it and even being up on rape charges. All of this is played out in the media. Do those players respect their clubs ?

Point 5:- The NRL disrespects us because they ask to delay a meeting for a couple of weeks.

This is to me a little bizarre. I mean does this really offend you ?

So your argument is, we should be allowed to have drama because other clubs do to? Look it’s simple, we need to challenge the top eight sides on the field, play finals footy, hold onto our best young players and start recruiting some guys that aren’t on another teams scrap heap. Until then, my opinion is we’re a rabble. There’s facts in there if u look hard enough.

Part of being in this business means that there will be player drama. We are dealing with young kids in a lot of ways and some of those kids have rugby league as their ticked to a better life. It happens to all teams. You can’t expect us to be different.

We do challenge the top 8 sides on the field. We aren’t a walkover hence we are coming middle of the table. We aren’t dead last every year consistently.

As for recruitment and retention it’s hard but it’s not all bad. I reckon LL and AD are close to top tier signings. We’ve signed some great young kids in Stef and Blore and maybe even Laurie.

I can definitely state we aren’t a rabble. The club appears to be doing everything it can right. We won’t know how things turn out but I don’t expect to make the finals next year. I do expect to keep building a decent team.

We may also surprise on the upside next season.

It’s about expectations, obviously mine are different to yours. Statistically each team should make the eight one in every two years, we haven’t made it in 9. I expect more than dead last when I make the 4 hour round trip to the footy, which I do often.

We have never been DEAD last.

So I guess your expectations have been met.

Yea , to me the guys saying and I’m paraphrasing , so relax if verbatim you didn’t say this , but the attitude of “we are the worst team in the comp” , has zero relevance to reality .
It’s like the NRL version of anti-vaxing, or flat earthers .
It’s true because I saw it on Facebook/ you tube , or my mate told me that his mate told him about this thing he saw on a website which was a link from another website . And somehow in 2020, this has become an actual point people are arguing .
Here’s the deal guys . If you saw it on net , and it wasn’t linked to something official , eg . A daily telegraph article , or , some random website . It’s probably not true .
Also , if your mate says something and they arnt a direct employee or , have had a first hand fact driven experience , it’s probably got a bit of magic dust sprinkled on the story, or , is jump hype train piling on , to continue the conversation at the pub. Most times when people say these things , and you ask them why they think that , it’s usually some anecdotal reason they heard somewhere , or complete BS. It’s rarely true . From my experience talking to people like this .
I’m not telling people how to suck eggs , or trying to be insulting , it’s everything you see and read has to be treated as crap. Especially the things that reinforce your strong opinion on something , as all social media , and some websites , have algorithms specifically designed to keep you in your echo chamber.
We all need to be mindful of this .

Mate you blokes get tied up on fact versus fiction.

Who is the club with the longest running finals drought? I’ve been paying membership for those 9 years, and I have every right to voice my concerns and expect more. As you do to voice yours.

So let’s move on.

You said we were the worst team in the comp. Many of us have come out and said that’s utter rubbish. Refuting that claim. It’s all good if you say something “yea your right we arnt the worst , I’m just frustrated “that’s fine . But you guys doubled down . Which lead to the whole debate . No ones having a go at you . Well I’m not at least . I just think that’s not true , and it’s the type of comment and perception , that we are railling against . Perception vs reality

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Some clear agendas from a few posters on Nofa. Very predictable and disrespectful to our player of the year.

The good thing is regardless of the hate for him by a minority, Madge rates him very very highly and as others have mentioned our offer will be very competitive. If he leaves, it will be because some club has offered silly money.

If he wants a pay rise he has got to take his game to a new level and that means SOO. He had his best year in attack, his defence was poor. He didn’t make it to SOO and from what I heard wasn’t close.

Last year he took his game to a new level. I’m not going to pretend to know what he’s currently on, but he’s improved since he was last up for contract negotiations so it seems plausible he should get a pay rise.

Any winger would be ordinary in defence with the likes of Benji and Garner inside them.

You cannot blame the players around him for his poor reading of defensive situations particularly coming in and leaving his opponent unmarked when he needed to have confidence in his centre.

Yes I can. He shouldn’t need to run in if he has confidence in his inside men. Clearly he didn’t, and quite rightly because Benji in particular was a turnstyle.

When your numbered up correctly but he still insists on running in, it is a huge issue.

Back in 2017 people on here were blaming Moses and Naiqama, today it’s Garner and Marshall. Doesn’t matter who nplays alongside him, it’s their fault, never his. Even though he’s the only constant…

He rushes up for the glory , intercept a lot . Only a decent half will hit the winger, or the centre for the easy tap on / draw and pass like 7/10 times . But because he gets the intercept and it’s all amazing, we all get blinded by it .
He’s gotten much better at picking his timing. I don’t know what the answer is I guess . To me , if it’s an intercept or a try , no matter what you do , go for the intercept as it’s no harm no foul.
The big one is , the 4 on 4 , block play that if you just slid onto your man, and stayed engaged with the lead runners , you’d shutdown every time . Those are the ones I think we all find infuriating .

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Not to be be funny or rude but us not making the 8 for over a decade is nothing to do with my opinion.

This is a fact. This fact though doesn’t mean we are viewed poorly or management is incompetent.

A lot of these problems are just your perspective.

And the perspective of 99% of rugby league people I know

Who cares ? Seriously. It’s just your assessment of people you know. I know plenty of people and the last thing they do is tell me how incompetent the Tigers management are. I have a lot of friends who are also Tigers supporters.

How many people realistically talk to you every day about how incompetent the Tigers are ? I think most people have the Tigers management ability pretty low on their priorities of things to discuss.

I’d question your sample assessment but I assume you are just using hyperbole.

I’ve been around the game all my life, as an average player at best, coach, and referee. So I know a few and I discuss it a lot. That ranges from NRL players to my wife who patrols the junior league canteen, it’s common knowledge WT are a rabble mate.

Mate which district ? I think this has a bearing on where an opinion is coming from . There’s a lot of bias and things said like the “the tigers are a rabble “ and when pressed on the whys , they come up with a story from 5-10 years ago . Once someone gets an idea in thier head , it’s very rare for people to truely be open to changing it .
This was my whole point about targeting players Not affected by our past mistakes .
I don’t see how you can say we are a rabble when we are one of the only profitable teams in the comp ? To me , manly are a rabble . The sharks are a rabble . The sharks have had a good team since the late 80s yet fall into financial hardship every 5 years . Seriously , if the sway of living in the shire wasn’t there , they would have folded years ago . They have to recruit flat out , and this last crop of juniors is thier first in like 10 years with actual talent .

Another team that’s a rabble , the warriors . Have a whole country to pick from , but can never field a winning team . Have been through 4 owners as far as I can remember , and almost went out of business , when they changed thier name to NZ.
The dogs - have way too many hands in the kitchen , and haven’t fielded a decent team in 5 years , next year will be no different .
Secret bad team … NQ. Haven’t won anything , without a certain JT in thier squad , have the most diehard region of football fans in the world to pick from , huge corporate support , yet consistently produce rubbish . Bleed money like crazy as well . This same description applies to the dragons as well

You need to look at things objectively. Just because , you’re having conversations inside your echo chamber doesn’t mean , that it’s a fact . All it means is everyone inside that bubble has the same hive mind .

The region I live is irrelevant mate because it’s not just hearsay, it’s week after week of player dramas, year after year of coaching issues (note I like Madge), year after year of losing our must win games after showing early glimpses of hope, and a relentless stream of players, player managers and other clubs treating us with no respect at all. Even in the recent case, when we wanted a meeting with the NRL, they said ‘in a few weeks’. Even the league shows us little respect. Nobody is making this stuff up.

I’m just quoting this to say that this to me doesn’t constitute objective truth.

Point 1:- Week after week of player drama. The only player drama I have heard of in relation to our club is the Aloiai situation. This is not week after week of drama. It’s rare. Other clubs are also in the news in relation to player drama all the time. Souths have had Sam Burgess. Penrith have a cocaine problem. Nth Qld have a player sleeping with a married staff member. We aren’t alone in our player drama and it’s definitey not something that occurs weekly.

So point 1 clearly isn’t an objective fact.

Point 2:- Year after year of coaching issues. I don’t know what you mean here. We had Cleary leave us a coupleof years ago. Do other teams lose their coaches ? Do they sack them ? How many clubs sacked their coaches this year. Did we ?

So point 2 clearly isn’t an objective fact.

Point 3:- year after year of losing our must win games after showing early glimpses of hope. Yeah this sucks but to be fair you shouldn’t have hope for next season.

So point 3 might be a fact but you are missing out on a key point and that is teams have finished below us every year. I don’t think it’s an objective fact.

Point 4:- A relentless stream of players, player managers and other clubs treating us with no respect at all.

This is clearly not an objective fact. It’s a subjective opinion that says nothing about Wests Tigers. I mean can you even explain what a relentless stream of players means. I mean is this happening to us daily ? How do you explain players taking drugs, having sex with women and filming it and even being up on rape charges. All of this is played out in the media. Do those players respect their clubs ?

Point 5:- The NRL disrespects us because they ask to delay a meeting for a couple of weeks.

This is to me a little bizarre. I mean does this really offend you ?

So your argument is, we should be allowed to have drama because other clubs do to? Look it’s simple, we need to challenge the top eight sides on the field, play finals footy, hold onto our best young players and start recruiting some guys that aren’t on another teams scrap heap. Until then, my opinion is we’re a rabble. There’s facts in there if u look hard enough.

Part of being in this business means that there will be player drama. We are dealing with young kids in a lot of ways and some of those kids have rugby league as their ticked to a better life. It happens to all teams. You can’t expect us to be different.

We do challenge the top 8 sides on the field. We aren’t a walkover hence we are coming middle of the table. We aren’t dead last every year consistently.

As for recruitment and retention it’s hard but it’s not all bad. I reckon LL and AD are close to top tier signings. We’ve signed some great young kids in Stef and Blore and maybe even Laurie.

I can definitely state we aren’t a rabble. The club appears to be doing everything it can right. We won’t know how things turn out but I don’t expect to make the finals next year. I do expect to keep building a decent team.

We may also surprise on the upside next season.

It’s about expectations, obviously mine are different to yours. Statistically each team should make the eight one in every two years, we haven’t made it in 9. I expect more than dead last when I make the 4 hour round trip to the footy, which I do often.

We have never been DEAD last.

So I guess your expectations have been met.

Yea , to me the guys saying and I’m paraphrasing , so relax if verbatim you didn’t say this , but the attitude of “we are the worst team in the comp” , has zero relevance to reality .
It’s like the NRL version of anti-vaxing, or flat earthers .
It’s true because I saw it on Facebook/ you tube , or my mate told me that his mate told him about this thing he saw on a website which was a link from another website . And somehow in 2020, this has become an actual point people are arguing .
Here’s the deal guys . If you saw it on net , and it wasn’t linked to something official , eg . A daily telegraph article , or , some random website . It’s probably not true .
Also , if your mate says something and they arnt a direct employee or , have had a first hand fact driven experience , it’s probably got a bit of magic dust sprinkled on the story, or , is jump hype train piling on , to continue the conversation at the pub. Most times when people say these things , and you ask them why they think that , it’s usually some anecdotal reason they heard somewhere , or complete BS. It’s rarely true . From my experience talking to people like this .
I’m not telling people how to suck eggs , or trying to be insulting , it’s everything you see and read has to be treated as crap. Especially the things that reinforce your strong opinion on something , as all social media , and some websites , have algorithms specifically designed to keep you in your echo chamber.
We all need to be mindful of this .

@trippa101 said in Ofahengaue Signs/ Aloiai released:

@strongee - time will tell … hopefully you’re right… I suspect that we will not win a premiership with Justin and Lee at the helm… can’t change one’s ability to negotiate… its not just up to the kids… its up to our ability to recruit the best players as well … the fact that we are relying on juniors proves my point… if we had fixed all the issues you talked about we would be able to recruit the players we wanted… we cant’t… if you think the club is in a strong position than that shows the difference in our standards. All the best mate

You don’t have to recruit “stars” though . In fact of the past few premiership teams , really it’s the roosters …: and no one else , who adopt that strategy. Every other team, developed thier players and brought in complimentary pieces to fit around them . Even Penrith all thier recruited players , you’d hardly call stars , same as Melbourne . The players are out there, it’s about being smarter and not being attracted to the shiny new toy . Which I honestly believe with Madge , hartigan and yes warren McDonnell , we have the right team in place . Lee and Pascoe worry about running the business , which is thier job .

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I dont know why this was deleted but ill tone it back a bit ?

Look none of us really know whether JO will be a better player next year than JA - until we see how they go next year. But for those that think our management our top notch compared to the rest of the NRL is probably symptomatic of the mediocrity we have let set in.

JAC did a backflip we get Roberts (who no one wanted) - again maybe he turns out to be a great buy for us next year (I hope so) but after the fiasco of Latrell Mitchell , we made the same mistake and left the club vulnerable to reputational damage - which it did. Since Lee has been front and centre of recruitment both LM and JAC backflipped… and then they think fans are dumb enough to think Roberts is a great result… c’mon.

JA says he will never put on a tigers Jersey and our Chairman says “he will be here mowing the grass” ,
, then in another article says “it was untenable when he made those statements so he couldn’t have stayed”… completely contradicted his previous statement… yes we got a financial reward… that’s the least we should have got.

And for @strongee who said we are profitable so that makes our admin better - when I sat down with Justin, THE DAY TEDESCO WAS LEAVING, and told him what a joke it was that 3 of our best players had just left and what a poor job Marina had done… you know what he told me… WE ARE PROFITABLE NOW BC OF MARINA (corporate sponsors) AND IN GOOD SHAPE… in his mind they had done a good job… that’s the level of competence…

Yes we have great nursery, big fan base, post a profit etc… and!!!

We come ninth and cant recruit any top line talent because we aren’t respected as a club. The facts speak for themselves.

The club can sugar coat it any way it likes. If our club offered another player the same money as another club I think our club might only beat the Warriors bc of travel. Who else?

But we have a big nursery, big fan base , premiership wining coach, COE on the way, and post a profit …

With all those things you mentioned we should be a power club… the fact we aren’t goes to my point… our admin is average… they can’t sell the dream… it’s like giving a footy team all the best facilities and training equipment but if they aren’t that good than they won’t beat teams who have better players who train in the mud.

Seriously ? How hard is it to get it through to you , that this takes time .? You’ve clearly got an agenda , you think you’re right , when I’ve shown you why you’re wrong . All you have is emotion , and rhetoric . Which is awesome . But it’s clouding your judgment .
I’ve said what I had to say mate . None of your arguements wash in 2020 . And being profitable is literally one of the only mandates the clubs have to adhere to , as the funding from the NRL was put in place as such , that if a club isn’t profitable and goes bankrupt the NRL won’t bail anyone out .
Winning starts in the back room. So we’ve fixed our money issues , fixed our corporate issues , fixed our training facilities , fixed our recruitment strategies , fixed our development … seriously all that’s left is winning in the NRL. Which can’t happen until the kids take a step up , and the players perform . It’s up to them and Madge. Is . To constantly bag the club shows more about you , then the club IMO.

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Not to be be funny or rude but us not making the 8 for over a decade is nothing to do with my opinion.

This is a fact. This fact though doesn’t mean we are viewed poorly or management is incompetent.

A lot of these problems are just your perspective.

And the perspective of 99% of rugby league people I know

Who cares ? Seriously. It’s just your assessment of people you know. I know plenty of people and the last thing they do is tell me how incompetent the Tigers management are. I have a lot of friends who are also Tigers supporters.

How many people realistically talk to you every day about how incompetent the Tigers are ? I think most people have the Tigers management ability pretty low on their priorities of things to discuss.

I’d question your sample assessment but I assume you are just using hyperbole.

I’ve been around the game all my life, as an average player at best, coach, and referee. So I know a few and I discuss it a lot. That ranges from NRL players to my wife who patrols the junior league canteen, it’s common knowledge WT are a rabble mate.

Mate which district ? I think this has a bearing on where an opinion is coming from . There’s a lot of bias and things said like the “the tigers are a rabble “ and when pressed on the whys , they come up with a story from 5-10 years ago . Once someone gets an idea in thier head , it’s very rare for people to truely be open to changing it .
This was my whole point about targeting players Not affected by our past mistakes .
I don’t see how you can say we are a rabble when we are one of the only profitable teams in the comp ? To me , manly are a rabble . The sharks are a rabble . The sharks have had a good team since the late 80s yet fall into financial hardship every 5 years . Seriously , if the sway of living in the shire wasn’t there , they would have folded years ago . They have to recruit flat out , and this last crop of juniors is thier first in like 10 years with actual talent .

Another team that’s a rabble , the warriors . Have a whole country to pick from , but can never field a winning team . Have been through 4 owners as far as I can remember , and almost went out of business , when they changed thier name to NZ.
The dogs - have way too many hands in the kitchen , and haven’t fielded a decent team in 5 years , next year will be no different .
Secret bad team … NQ. Haven’t won anything , without a certain JT in thier squad , have the most diehard region of football fans in the world to pick from , huge corporate support , yet consistently produce rubbish . Bleed money like crazy as well . This same description applies to the dragons as well

You need to look at things objectively. Just because , you’re having conversations inside your echo chamber doesn’t mean , that it’s a fact . All it means is everyone inside that bubble has the same hive mind .

@trippa101 said in Ofahengaue Signs/ Aloiai released:

@strongee - understand your point of view. I just have a different one. As I said, and these are only my opinions, if they seem strong it’s because they are, like all of us we believe we are right until someone provides a different point of view that we believe in.

I’m open to being proven wrong - and I hope I am for the clubs sake but, and I can only talk from my experience in business dealing with people, negotiating etc and from my experience with Justin, personally, and now seeing what Lee is saying in the media… It’s just not a professional look for the club.

There is a reason why we are probably in the bottom 4 of how the industry (players, agents, journos, other administrators etc) views administration.

I am not fuelled by my desire to be right - just look at how our back office has performed for the last 5 years… Do you think we are a desirable club to come to? Do you think other clubs think we are a serious force behind the scenes? Do you think we are deemed a “power club”? I don’t - but thats just my opinion.

I’ve already stated my opinion on recruitment , on here several times . I believe that around 2013-2017 we made such a bad impression in the industry , that many people who came into contact with us , came away with a sour taste in their mouth. These players are now 25-33 years old , which is why I believe we have been smart focusing on younger players. This bad perception will take years to weed out . Think about it … what’s your opinion on Mitsubishi ? Aldi ? Even things like Samsung had a bad rep when I was a kid . It takes years and it’s been proven time and time again , the only way to defeat it , is to engage in youth and change the narrative. .

That’s my opinion on this