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@mike said in Help me (and others) keep faith in Madge...:

@2005magic said in Help me (and others) keep faith in Madge...:

I think WT really have to muscle up and start to demonstrate they’re not going to continue as a soft touch. Tear up the contracts of players not performing inc the high priced ones- pay them out and get rid of them.Take the NRL to court over the Farah penalty amount- he has not taken it up to date and probably wont now. Our early release of Corey Thompson has bitten us but I can only assume somewhere in the background WT were supposed to get a backline player but that didnt eventuate. Matterson’s release without compensation and the obvious Parra meddling. If Bankwest / Parra Stadium is not working out rip it up - we did it because ANZ stadium was going to be torn down. State Govt reversed decision on that so why should we be bound to a ground situation forced on us? And for gods sake pick a home ground.

The coach has a plan to turn things around with getting youth pipeline working and gradually ridding the deadwood- both players and coaching / support staff. I’m for giving Maguire 2 more years to actually be able to judge him in the final year or two when most of the 30 man roster is his and the salary cap can truely be matched against coach / team roster / team performance / club performance and strategy…

It’s a nice thought but tearing up $1.6M is not easy. The contract is between two parties, it’s much easier to have bravado and say than to actually execute. We have to be patient and accept that not much will change in 2021, 2022 is a different story.

Nice to know what the plan actually is but everything around the back end of the season is dealing with bush fires.

It’s a nothing statement last night by Madge about players no longer with club next season unless you elaborate or had discussions already considering the Benji debacle.

It just feeds media a story to write about without being factual and does not add to team culture.

Personally all it does is deflect the performance of the teams effort last night and the coach!!!

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@cochise said in Help me (and others) keep faith in Madge...:

@Tigerbuck63 said in Help me (and others) keep faith in Madge...:

@cochise said in Help me (and others) keep faith in Madge...:

@Tigerbuck63 said in Help me (and others) keep faith in Madge...:

@cochise said in Help me (and others) keep faith in Madge...:

@Tigerbuck63 said in Help me (and others) keep faith in Madge...:

@cochise said in Help me (and others) keep faith in Madge...:

@Tigerbuck63 said in Help me (and others) keep faith in Madge...:

@cochise said in Help me (and others) keep faith in Madge...:

@Tigerbuck63 said in Help me (and others) keep faith in Madge...:

@twentyforty said in Help me (and others) keep faith in Madge...:

@bbobb said in Help me (and others) keep faith in Madge...:

To me he looks like a coach who has run out of ideas. From the point he went postal in the dressing room and abused a chair, he has been struggling. I also think the so called “honesty” session has thrown him as well. I sought of thought that player communication was an area where he excelled and to be publicly called out on it may be bit confronting? He is desperate to shed some players and bring some new talent which is fair enough. I hope it works for him because after that, I am not sure what he’ll do?

I think we should all just hold our nerve. We didn’t achieve this level of mediocrity in 5 minutes, so why should we expect to turn it around in 5 minutes. Our older, more experienced hang abouts are not living up to their price tags. And are certainly not showing any quality leadership for younger players. They will be gone over the next 2 seasons along with our precious goal of finishing ninth. This level of mediocrity has taken nine seasons to establish.

Madge is in his 2nd season and things have actually gone backwards.
When I rate this season compared to last we seem a very ill disciplined side as another din bin last night!
His communication very poor with Benji and lacks leadership qualities, difficult conversation I agree but harps in about standards and needs to set the benchmark himself.
Agree needs more time personally I give him two years but he also needs to mature and get better himself if has the same expectations of the squad.

It is very hard to have that conversation when it is already splashed over the papers the day before the scheduled meeting.

He had made the decision, someone around him was in the know and leaked it. when confronted by Benji from reports said give me 24 hours to think it over. I am assuming Benji told Manager and story was leaked??

Conversation should have been this is my decision moving forward and the reasons why when confronted. Leadership nil sane as what we have on the field.

There is one thing about all the articles about Madge that I can’t reconcile. Apparently he is too tough on the players, I have know a lot of tough managers and coaches over the years and not one of them had trouble having a tough conversation. In fact most of them were much too blunt and weren’t able to deliver bad news in a manner that didn’t get people offside.

I really don’t read into how tough he is on the players as long as it’s also balanced for the welfare of whole team.

We are talking about how Madge managed the Benji situation and it was pretty poor.

I do agree with the decision but not how if was mis managed and the way he found out.

If you talk the talk you need to have conversations that are transparent and timing of these is also critical.

Madge mis managed this process that also effects the culture of the club.

I don’t think it played out the way it you think it did.

Well if you know more enlighten your fellow forum members ?
It played out terrible !!!

It played out terrible in the media, but how did it get into the media? What is the spin that was placed on it because of the source? That all changes how I perceive what happened.

The source would of made nil difference if the Coach once making his decision has an honest frank conversation with the player,

This is the coaches responsibility as it’s their decision.

The club now has reacted to this by offering a job because of the fall out, not that I have any issue with this as long as tabled as per NRL guidelines prior to the offer.

That conversation has happened as Benji has been informed he will not be playing at Wests Tigers in 2021.

Are you sure you don’t work for the club in some capacity? if not your getting tiresome to debate with as your counter point abilities just go back and forth with little real outcome.

Think I will pass conversing with you in future do me the favour and don’t reply to any future posts either, cheers

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@twentyforty said in Press Conferences:

@Goanna57 said in Press Conferences:

@Tigerlily said in Press Conferences:

@Spacecub said in Press Conferences:

Maguire seems to be untouchable…the media seem to love him…many on here love him, they seem to think he’s the one to lead this club to success…i think he’s driving this club into a very dark period

Wow! SC have you had your head stuck in the sand or been walking around with blinders on?because the media have absolutely poleaxed Madge over the last couple of months.

Sorry I have had my head in the sand Maguire poleaxed please explain

There doesn’t appear to be any upside in mob lynching the coach when he is one of the few trying to right the ship.
Frankly, I’m surprised he took on the job.

As supporters are we not entitled to ask ? When we have 50 points scored against us when Madge has been harping on about D all season.

His selection policy makes little sense all season.

Lynching well he has a contract next year as supporters we are concerned where he is taking us when the team does the same things each week?

The back half of the season I am starting to ? Things as seems like no real plan???

Signings like BJ leave me wondering if he is really attracting the right culture to the club?

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@jirskyr said in Press Conferences:

They’ll barely ever ask questions like that at the pressers, it’s too raw, the coach is very unlikely to answer and then you’ve blotted your copybook for further feedback.

Journos almost never go after the coach post-match, they even treated Seibold with light hands in press conferences this year.

Yes but they can smash them later in the Media and write distorted facts?
Good point however I can see nil improvement when ? Like this are not being asked?

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@cochise said in Help me (and others) keep faith in Madge...:

@Tigerbuck63 said in Help me (and others) keep faith in Madge...:

@cochise said in Help me (and others) keep faith in Madge...:

@Tigerbuck63 said in Help me (and others) keep faith in Madge...:

@cochise said in Help me (and others) keep faith in Madge...:

@Tigerbuck63 said in Help me (and others) keep faith in Madge...:

@cochise said in Help me (and others) keep faith in Madge...:

@Tigerbuck63 said in Help me (and others) keep faith in Madge...:

@twentyforty said in Help me (and others) keep faith in Madge...:

@bbobb said in Help me (and others) keep faith in Madge...:

To me he looks like a coach who has run out of ideas. From the point he went postal in the dressing room and abused a chair, he has been struggling. I also think the so called “honesty” session has thrown him as well. I sought of thought that player communication was an area where he excelled and to be publicly called out on it may be bit confronting? He is desperate to shed some players and bring some new talent which is fair enough. I hope it works for him because after that, I am not sure what he’ll do?

I think we should all just hold our nerve. We didn’t achieve this level of mediocrity in 5 minutes, so why should we expect to turn it around in 5 minutes. Our older, more experienced hang abouts are not living up to their price tags. And are certainly not showing any quality leadership for younger players. They will be gone over the next 2 seasons along with our precious goal of finishing ninth. This level of mediocrity has taken nine seasons to establish.

Madge is in his 2nd season and things have actually gone backwards.
When I rate this season compared to last we seem a very ill disciplined side as another din bin last night!
His communication very poor with Benji and lacks leadership qualities, difficult conversation I agree but harps in about standards and needs to set the benchmark himself.
Agree needs more time personally I give him two years but he also needs to mature and get better himself if has the same expectations of the squad.

It is very hard to have that conversation when it is already splashed over the papers the day before the scheduled meeting.

He had made the decision, someone around him was in the know and leaked it. when confronted by Benji from reports said give me 24 hours to think it over. I am assuming Benji told Manager and story was leaked??

Conversation should have been this is my decision moving forward and the reasons why when confronted. Leadership nil sane as what we have on the field.

There is one thing about all the articles about Madge that I can’t reconcile. Apparently he is too tough on the players, I have know a lot of tough managers and coaches over the years and not one of them had trouble having a tough conversation. In fact most of them were much too blunt and weren’t able to deliver bad news in a manner that didn’t get people offside.

I really don’t read into how tough he is on the players as long as it’s also balanced for the welfare of whole team.

We are talking about how Madge managed the Benji situation and it was pretty poor.

I do agree with the decision but not how if was mis managed and the way he found out.

If you talk the talk you need to have conversations that are transparent and timing of these is also critical.

Madge mis managed this process that also effects the culture of the club.

I don’t think it played out the way it you think it did.

Well if you know more enlighten your fellow forum members ?
It played out terrible !!!

It played out terrible in the media, but how did it get into the media? What is the spin that was placed on it because of the source? That all changes how I perceive what happened.

The source would of made nil difference if the Coach once making his decision has an honest frank conversation with the player,

This is the coaches responsibility as it’s their decision.

The club now has reacted to this by offering a job because of the fall out, not that I have any issue with this as long as tabled as per NRL guidelines prior to the offer.

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@cochise said in Help me (and others) keep faith in Madge...:

@Tigerbuck63 said in Help me (and others) keep faith in Madge...:

@cochise said in Help me (and others) keep faith in Madge...:

@Tigerbuck63 said in Help me (and others) keep faith in Madge...:

@cochise said in Help me (and others) keep faith in Madge...:

@Tigerbuck63 said in Help me (and others) keep faith in Madge...:

@twentyforty said in Help me (and others) keep faith in Madge...:

@bbobb said in Help me (and others) keep faith in Madge...:

To me he looks like a coach who has run out of ideas. From the point he went postal in the dressing room and abused a chair, he has been struggling. I also think the so called “honesty” session has thrown him as well. I sought of thought that player communication was an area where he excelled and to be publicly called out on it may be bit confronting? He is desperate to shed some players and bring some new talent which is fair enough. I hope it works for him because after that, I am not sure what he’ll do?

I think we should all just hold our nerve. We didn’t achieve this level of mediocrity in 5 minutes, so why should we expect to turn it around in 5 minutes. Our older, more experienced hang abouts are not living up to their price tags. And are certainly not showing any quality leadership for younger players. They will be gone over the next 2 seasons along with our precious goal of finishing ninth. This level of mediocrity has taken nine seasons to establish.

Madge is in his 2nd season and things have actually gone backwards.
When I rate this season compared to last we seem a very ill disciplined side as another din bin last night!
His communication very poor with Benji and lacks leadership qualities, difficult conversation I agree but harps in about standards and needs to set the benchmark himself.
Agree needs more time personally I give him two years but he also needs to mature and get better himself if has the same expectations of the squad.

It is very hard to have that conversation when it is already splashed over the papers the day before the scheduled meeting.

He had made the decision, someone around him was in the know and leaked it. when confronted by Benji from reports said give me 24 hours to think it over. I am assuming Benji told Manager and story was leaked??

Conversation should have been this is my decision moving forward and the reasons why when confronted. Leadership nil sane as what we have on the field.

There is one thing about all the articles about Madge that I can’t reconcile. Apparently he is too tough on the players, I have know a lot of tough managers and coaches over the years and not one of them had trouble having a tough conversation. In fact most of them were much too blunt and weren’t able to deliver bad news in a manner that didn’t get people offside.

I really don’t read into how tough he is on the players as long as it’s also balanced for the welfare of whole team.

We are talking about how Madge managed the Benji situation and it was pretty poor.

I do agree with the decision but not how if was mis managed and the way he found out.

If you talk the talk you need to have conversations that are transparent and timing of these is also critical.

Madge mis managed this process that also effects the culture of the club.

I don’t think it played out the way it you think it did.

Well if you know more enlighten your fellow forum members ?
It played out terrible !!!

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@cochise said in Help me (and others) keep faith in Madge...:

@Tigerbuck63 said in Help me (and others) keep faith in Madge...:

@cochise said in Help me (and others) keep faith in Madge...:

@Tigerbuck63 said in Help me (and others) keep faith in Madge...:

@twentyforty said in Help me (and others) keep faith in Madge...:

@bbobb said in Help me (and others) keep faith in Madge...:

To me he looks like a coach who has run out of ideas. From the point he went postal in the dressing room and abused a chair, he has been struggling. I also think the so called “honesty” session has thrown him as well. I sought of thought that player communication was an area where he excelled and to be publicly called out on it may be bit confronting? He is desperate to shed some players and bring some new talent which is fair enough. I hope it works for him because after that, I am not sure what he’ll do?

I think we should all just hold our nerve. We didn’t achieve this level of mediocrity in 5 minutes, so why should we expect to turn it around in 5 minutes. Our older, more experienced hang abouts are not living up to their price tags. And are certainly not showing any quality leadership for younger players. They will be gone over the next 2 seasons along with our precious goal of finishing ninth. This level of mediocrity has taken nine seasons to establish.

Madge is in his 2nd season and things have actually gone backwards.
When I rate this season compared to last we seem a very ill disciplined side as another din bin last night!
His communication very poor with Benji and lacks leadership qualities, difficult conversation I agree but harps in about standards and needs to set the benchmark himself.
Agree needs more time personally I give him two years but he also needs to mature and get better himself if has the same expectations of the squad.

It is very hard to have that conversation when it is already splashed over the papers the day before the scheduled meeting.

He had made the decision, someone around him was in the know and leaked it. when confronted by Benji from reports said give me 24 hours to think it over. I am assuming Benji told Manager and story was leaked??

Conversation should have been this is my decision moving forward and the reasons why when confronted. Leadership nil sane as what we have on the field.

There is one thing about all the articles about Madge that I can’t reconcile. Apparently he is too tough on the players, I have know a lot of tough managers and coaches over the years and not one of them had trouble having a tough conversation. In fact most of them were much too blunt and weren’t able to deliver bad news in a manner that didn’t get people offside.

I really don’t read into how tough he is on the players as long as it’s also balanced for the welfare of whole team.

We are talking about how Madge managed the Benji situation and it was pretty poor.

I do agree with the decision but not how if was mis managed and the way he found out.

If you talk the talk you need to have conversations that are transparent and timing of these is also critical.

Madge mis managed this process that also effects the culture of the club.

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@Lauren said in Help me (and others) keep faith in Madge...:

@Tigerbuck63 said in Help me (and others) keep faith in Madge...:

@twentyforty said in Help me (and others) keep faith in Madge...:

@bbobb said in Help me (and others) keep faith in Madge...:

To me he looks like a coach who has run out of ideas. From the point he went postal in the dressing room and abused a chair, he has been struggling. I also think the so called “honesty” session has thrown him as well. I sought of thought that player communication was an area where he excelled and to be publicly called out on it may be bit confronting? He is desperate to shed some players and bring some new talent which is fair enough. I hope it works for him because after that, I am not sure what he’ll do?

I think we should all just hold our nerve. We didn’t achieve this level of mediocrity in 5 minutes, so why should we expect to turn it around in 5 minutes. Our older, more experienced hang abouts are not living up to their price tags. And are certainly not showing any quality leadership for younger players. They will be gone over the next 2 seasons along with our precious goal of finishing ninth. This level of mediocrity has taken nine seasons to establish.

Madge is in his 2nd season and things have actually gone backwards.
When I rate this season compared to last we seem a very ill disciplined side as another din bin last night!
His communication very poor with Benji and lacks leadership qualities, difficult conversation I agree but harps in about standards and needs to set the benchmark himself.
Agree needs more time personally I give him two years but he also needs to mature and get better himself if has the same expectations of the squad.

Why do people continue to ignore that we are playing in a reformatted competition where speed, size and attacking ability are more determinant of a team’s outcome.

Every WT supporter knows that not all of our players are suited to this style and unfortunately it shows. No offence but probably only Brooks, Nofo, Grant, Liddle, AJ(on his day), Aloiai and a couple of others are but even they’re still struggling to adapt due to overall strength/quality of the team.

Every team is playing in a revised competition you can only compare how we adapt compared to others, Titans good example now 9th.

Agree not all players will buy in but also coach needs to understand that his way is also not the right way he should have learned that from his exit at Souths even after a premiership.

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@cochise said in Help me (and others) keep faith in Madge...:

@Tigerbuck63 said in Help me (and others) keep faith in Madge...:

@twentyforty said in Help me (and others) keep faith in Madge...:

@bbobb said in Help me (and others) keep faith in Madge...:

To me he looks like a coach who has run out of ideas. From the point he went postal in the dressing room and abused a chair, he has been struggling. I also think the so called “honesty” session has thrown him as well. I sought of thought that player communication was an area where he excelled and to be publicly called out on it may be bit confronting? He is desperate to shed some players and bring some new talent which is fair enough. I hope it works for him because after that, I am not sure what he’ll do?

I think we should all just hold our nerve. We didn’t achieve this level of mediocrity in 5 minutes, so why should we expect to turn it around in 5 minutes. Our older, more experienced hang abouts are not living up to their price tags. And are certainly not showing any quality leadership for younger players. They will be gone over the next 2 seasons along with our precious goal of finishing ninth. This level of mediocrity has taken nine seasons to establish.

Madge is in his 2nd season and things have actually gone backwards.
When I rate this season compared to last we seem a very ill disciplined side as another din bin last night!
His communication very poor with Benji and lacks leadership qualities, difficult conversation I agree but harps in about standards and needs to set the benchmark himself.
Agree needs more time personally I give him two years but he also needs to mature and get better himself if has the same expectations of the squad.

It is very hard to have that conversation when it is already splashed over the papers the day before the scheduled meeting.

He had made the decision, someone around him was in the know and leaked it. when confronted by Benji from reports said give me 24 hours to think it over. I am assuming Benji told Manager and story was leaked??

Conversation should have been this is my decision moving forward and the reasons why when confronted. Leadership nil sane as what we have on the field.

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@ElleryHanley said in Help me (and others) keep faith in Madge...:

To those defending Madge, I appreciate the posts and I ‘want’ to believe…

But can anyone answer the following:

  1. What is our defensive structure? They just seem to rush up and that is it. No cohesion at all. Airport lane holes have been there all year without any adjustment. Surely the coach had to react?

More importantly…and this is what concerns me the most…there seems to be absolutely ZERO attempt to get our spine ready for 2021. This period was a crucial chance to try a few things. Instead we got the ancient mariners who are not even wanted for 2021.

We are almost in October 2020 and our 2021 spine is:

  1. no one knows
    6 and 7 brooks will be one / no one has a clue who the other will be / massive concern.
  2. Liddle / Simpkins

Penrith used their dead rubber games to experiment in 2019 and it helped them start 2020 well and build. Madge has done absolutely nothing to use this time to get a head start on 2021.

Great post sums up perfectly that Madge lacks any real Vision, plus all I have heard today is Tigers trounced by storm, and very short press conference.