WE JUST NEED TO SIGN A DECENT GOAL KICKER- as another poster alluded to in a recent post -no reliable goal kicker no finals
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His lack of celebration is highlighting his disappointment of the team’s standing. He’s a team man, acknowledging he’s done good but it ain’t gonna make any difference.
David has put in 100% this season- arguably our best player.
After watching a replay of that match against Many I thought we at last showed a bit of spirit, and we didn’t hang our heads and give up - when I think on many other occasion we have, if we can take that win and replicate it on Thursday against Souths we may limp into the top 8…that’s what David wants and he deserves GO WESTS TIGERS…oh and by the way we (on this forum) need to take up a petition to keep Harry Grant …at all costs
RE: Confirmed: Matterson released from Wests Tigers.
@4jtigers Does anyone know if the failed politician has engaged with or spoken in relation to anything Weststigers ? The previous chair was always engaging the supporter base in discussion and in the media , championing the involvement of females in our club to name a few ect . Free flights / food/ drink / privilege /best seats in the house , come on Bazza it would be nice to see or hear from you ! Actually it would be great if the CEO would do the same … time to engage the supporter base , a mute club is a bad sign ! 20 years down the track and nothing’s been learnt …
Yes, Pascoe has certainly been very quiet since returning. Member engagement has been nearly non - existant
What has happened to Justin Pascoe, I too have noticed he has been very quiet- problems in the camp again- I hope not, just as I am deciding if I want to renew my membership this thing with Matterson pops up- I’m very unhappy at the moment
RE: The future
@Russell From my JF observations this year real talent should come from a couple of the following and but there were also many others:
Felix Smith - a tireless worker that gives 110% and made metres every single game. Rewarded with a couple of CC games and didn’t disappoint. Worthy award winner as JF player of the year and was definitely my pick of the players this year.
Michael Fenn - big unit and tough who came across late in the season;
Mavoni - see below. Came off bench but is a real impact player and belted the opposition many times with hard runs which at times were scary.
Burey (5/8) - thought he developed better as the season went along and went well in CC from the games I watched;
Dillon - exciting player and unlucky with injury and may need some more size. Has acceleration but also needs to know when to pass after he has done all the good work.
Lee Silver - 2nd year in JF and really improved out of sight this year being a year older and made a lot of good metres. Solid and tried his heart out every week he got a chance.
Scolari - new to the club this year and from a rugby background but did play league at young junior level in Dubbo. Tough as nails and very quick - has no fear. Looking at some of his YouTube clips he needs to be careful with his ‘hits’ technique or could find himself on the sidelines a bit. Fred is correct in that he’s raw (positioning needs work) and I think he needs to get bigger also. Could transition to an awesome lock with his speed and mongrel and a bit more size over the off season. Got promoted to CC last game and I hear from senior players went very well.
Wilson - worthy players’ player and tackled well on the right edge with his winger. Again size? but can make it to the top. Showed good speed and also was a leader during a difficult season but helped captain them to a run of 6 wins in a row and almost steal a semis spot which is a good sign.
Cini - scored a lot of tries at centre and an Australian schoolboy rep so should have something. Again his first year out of school so like some of these it’s amazing what can happen from 19 - 20 over the off season as they develop and train.
There were others who came on really well as the season progressed. I do like Mavoni who is big and a basher up the middle - sadly he was injured with about a month to go.
Yes other clubs have talent also coming through but I think you’ll find that we do too with the right support and pathways.
This is what I would like to see -hang on to the payers who are showing some good form and work ethic, who would be grateful and honoured to work towards a first grade spot.
We must hang on to these guys, don’t let them go to other clubs
RE: Russell Packer - What Now
We were never going to get the best out of Packer Matulino and Reynolds, cause their best was gone. Reynolds only came to us because the Bulldogs didnt want him - you have to question whether they knew the writing was on the wall. Matulinos injuries were well documented, and Packer repaid StGeorge for a giving him start by jumping at the first good offer. There were red flags with all three - similarly with Chris McQueen.
Matterson on the other hand is an example of a player that has been a great buy and continues to shine. We need to recruit players like him to get value for money.
Yes we want players like Matterson & Lawrence, players that put in the yards each and every time they go onto the field. Lawrence is a great example of the type we need at our club
RE: Confirmed: Matterson released from Wests Tigers.
Doubt he’d be happy being only on 350k for the next two years when he’s worth double that. Club should look to upgrade him, despite the cap drama.
Matterson signed a contract for a certain amount of money. That’s it.
If you’ve been the best player all season I think an upgrade is deserved
RE: If Madge fails.....
If Madge fails to turn the WT into a successful team, and by this I mean semi finals footy in 2021 and beyond if he stays…I see the club throwing in the towel…
I honestly wish they would right now, there’s gotta be more to life than following a bunch of perennial losers year after year after year - it does nothing for my mental health.
This year I was very hesitant about becoming a member of the club, as I have been for the past 13 years. But they made what I thought was a couple of good signings so I decided to stay on as a member…but honestly this mob are just awful, nothing seems to change does it !
Apparently we have a good coach and a lot of the players are good quality, but this just doesn’t convert to wins, we seem to have too many ups and downs, most inconsistent no heart., and no pride it seems- and yes as ardent followers of this club, I believe it can have some effect on our mental health ( and the coaches too I’m thinking )
I wouldn’t be surprised if Madge throws in the towel, most of the time after these losses he looks as if he’s be crying, as most of us are almost doing as well…just not good enough.
To me this loss puts and end to our season
RE: Signing Suggestions & Rumours
Reynolds played well last night, if he can stay fit he can be our 6. I’d be looking to offload Mbye before Reynolds, at least he plays with determination, passion and actually looks like he physically wants to bust his gut and have a dig. Mbye doesn’t. Can’t carry a passenger like that who is soaking up massive $$$$ (and sadly is the captain).
Need Sezer’s goalkicking ASAP though.
We desperately need a reliable goal kicker, as we will need all the points we can get when we finally get back on the “rails”
RE: Where do we go now?
Normally I have a long rant post loss…
But I have nothing. We have tried all approaches and none have worked. Our goal line D is appalling. One set and we crack. Madge has talked about resolve and character, but there is absolutely no proof of that.
Benji has had 20 good mins in two months, but the club will probably trot him out for positive PR all week.
AD and Liddle tons of heart, but the senior players are serial non winners. Roosters had half a team out today.
When it gets tough, or a game is needed…we just are rarely ever in the battle mentally.
How do we change the culture?
Its time for us to wake up…rid the club of all the older players and start a clean slate with some of the younger players at the club- (they can’t do any worse than this lot)- perhaps try and get some up and comers from other clubs.
But I can see that not many would wish to come here,I can now see why Matterson, Moses & co moved on if we are not careful they will all want to move on and we will end up without a club.
Oh dear we are such a difficult club to stay positive with- I can’t believe how this year (in more ways than one) has turned out, I thought we didn’t start off too badly, our defence was pretty good, and on the whole we do some good things but obviously not enough to win games.
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RE: Coach can't train intelligence.
Just showed some footage of Madge in the room on fox (I had no volume), he looks shot.
Not sure what the commentary over the footage was. Was it Flanagan saying there is no way that you would ever get me near that rabble.
Has any Wests Tigers coach (apart from Cleary) ever had another 1st grade job after finishing with us? Honestly, i would be surprised if any coach with options or an eye on the future would come to us. It is not a stepping stone to a great career, it is the last stop on the way out.
That’s the way it’s looking …very drastic
RE: Wests Tigers v Manly *LIVE SPOILERS
Catch …draw …pass
I’ve never seen a backline so incompotent at using numbers to attack an opposition defence
I reckon we had at least 7/8 chances if the ball carrier simply straightens and draws his man
Tommy …have a chat to your old man about it
And our D …if we stay on the front foot …Tommy can’t do anything …you crush the sucker from inside out and tell him to get used to it
Manly are a good side …I get it …but we let them off the hook so often tonight …RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Too many cut out passes that the defence read, instead of using the numerical advantage and getting the them static.
Oh well…we put 20+ on them…if only we could defend…
It’s an Under 14 skill …catch …draw and pass
Another young skill …the minute you see a receiver like Turbo stop watching the line to watch the ball …you crunch him …at the very least you force him inside to get cleaned up by your forwards
DCE try …instead of Laurie hitting his legs …you hit him just above the hip to give the defender going high that extra split millisecond …
Why can’t our coaching staff teach this stuff …or more to the point …why can’t out blokes make these calls …it should be 2nd nature …
Why the hell don’t these blokes know this stuff …
Do they actually train ? What the hell do they do every week ? Is there a more L plater team out there ? !! Disjointed mess. I’m really getting angry at myself for caring at this point, wish I could change allegiance somehow.
Surely you have to have a bit of footy nous…most of the players don’t have that…you have to look several plays ahead, and a lot of the better teams have players in the team that can do that, sadly we don’t.!
RE: What is a Wests Tigers player?
The title of this thread highlights the problem.
When asked what the difference was between us and Melbourne Harry Grant said “Madge is more of a one on on/ individual coach, where as Craig sees the big picture.”
I don’t think it’s the individual player that’s the problem, but the lack of cohesion, unity and trust in one another to play as a team is.
Defensively we play as individuals. No one trusts the man next to them. We see players rush in and try to stop the play on their own or back off and wait to see what the player next to them will do. Is this the fault of the individual players or them not being Wests Tigery enough? Or is it more to blame on how they’ve been developed and coached? We’re no well oiled machine like Melbourne where everyone knows their role, we’re individuals who want to point the finger at the man next us if someone misses a tackle. That’s weak culture and that rests with Pascoe and Maguire.
In attack we run one out majority of the time. Luc made a break on the weekend, looked left, looked right, and he was surrounded by Souths jerseys. The closest Tiger was at least 20m away. There’s no teamwork there, no support, just one man running alone. This is what disappoints me the most as a fan. I don’t know how we’re expected to turn up each week if they won’t even turn up for each other.
We can talk individuals all you like, you can talk signing a player who will miraculously change our club, but our issues run far deeper than this.
The question shouldn’t be about the player, but about the club.
Why are we so consistently mediocre? Why do players sign with us and go backwards? Why do we have such a poor culture? Why do we never play finals football? Why can we not turn it around after multiple roster cleanouts and 5 changes in coaches?
I hope they knock more than just the grandstand down at concord, everything needs a rebuild.
Excellent post, thank you
RE: What is a Wests Tigers player?
Same thing we’ve heard all year.
He says a lot without saying much.
I believe… as others mentioned in the 5 year plan thread, we are currently in the process of this. (Re building)
There are no plans of marquee signings, big name recruits, we aren’t getting Hectic Cheese or anyone of that calibre.
Our focus is on pathways and youth. As my bro @gallagher pointed out, our cap is better than it has been in years… and only looking to improve once Packer leaves and hopefully Mbye can leave without impacting us too much.
There’s a plan in mind, long view. Our KOE team is performing well and is full of young talent. Our lower grades are also looking good. Madge mentioned in the presser how good all the things at the club are moving in positive directions yet the first grade team does not reflect that. We are essentially getting our house in order, not to be a competitive team NOW but a successful team of the future.
Now, the rough stuff…
We have some really good young forwards with a lot of potential.
Stefano Utoikamanu, Shawn Blore, Luciano Leilua, Luke Garner, Thomas Mikaele, Alex Seyfarth + all the squaddies and lower grade lads.
Some one thought it was a good idea to recruit Tamou to mentor them…
Bad idea. He’s not a good player and he isn’t inspiring. These has been a failed experiment. Honestly would’ve been better going for some one like Tyson Frizell. This has been a massive letdown.
We extended Nofo who is one of the worst defensive wingers of all time because we were scared to lose him to Parra? Cmon now. We should’ve made a play to get a deal to move him on and get Stefano over quicker and throw in some one like Ray Stone or Haze Dunstar or Will Penisini.
We had an offer to trade Talau for Addo Carr and we did not take it… I don’t even know where to start with this one… fail of the highest regard.
To put all clubs on an even playing field, clubs need to stop trading players from other clubs but bring up recruits through their own club systems, in my opinion that should help, but of course that idea will never ever come to fruition
RE: What is a Wests Tigers player?
What i want a Wests Tigers player is…
Hard working Players that dont give up and play above their talent
Blore, Stefano please join the club
Add GARNER to that lot !
RE: Your team for 2022
1 Daine Laurie
2 David Nofoaluma
3 Adam Doueihi
4 Oliver Gildart
5 Ken Maumalo
6 Jackson Hastings
7 Luke Brooks
8 James Tamou
9 Jake Simpkin
10 Alex Twal
11 Luciano Leilua
12 Tevita Pangai Jr
13 Joe Ofahengaue
14 Jacob Liddle
15 Alex Seyfarth
16 Stefano Utoikamanu
17 Shawn Blore
That backline still needs an injection pace but hopefully Gildart and Hastings
are NRL players and especially NRL level defensive players.
I like the pack especially the bench. I think Garner is desperately unlucky to miss out but I think we need both LIddle and Simpkins in the team.
Still that team will be a borderline top 8 team. That team with Tommy Turbo or Latrell could push teams in the finals.
I think i’d be tempted to start Garner ahead of Luc. I don’t think Luc is an 80 minute player. I think he’d be better used off the bench
Or just play Luc less minutes - Garner had some good stints off the bench for us this year. Get Luc playing the first and last 25 mins of the games and Garner can fill the rest, or vice versa. Luc is still the better of the two imo
Garner has outplayed him recently, pretty easily. Luc has been really ordinary of late.
Over the whole season Luc has been better though and is a more talented player overall IMO. Think playing 80 every week has gotten to him, a short stint on the bench will do him wonders.
Not sure I agree with that. I think Luc has been pretty poor this year.
Fair enough. There’s been a couple games where he’s been our best player, it’s only recently his form has dipped. Garner has kinda done the opposite started terrible but has started improving and putting some good games up.
I get the feeling if Pangai comes over Garner might be the one missing out though
Luciano is a bit of a weapon in attack, but we can’t carry poor defensive players, you end up conceding 50 pts a week.
Why hasn’t our defence been fixed up after all these years-it hasn’t just been this season it’s been since 2005 ! and getting worse…why ! other clubs have good defence why is it so difficult for us
RE: Pangai Junior
Eventually we have to buy someone …we can’t have more than a 6% variance in what we are given cap wise and what we spend
And before some one starts spruiking upgrades on the current roster …I’m not sure I’d be upgrading anyone at the moment
Easy fix - you front-load an existing contract, so long as you have the required # players contracted.
YOu need to be as careful front loading as backloading.
Front loading could result in a few wanting to get out of their last year.
I don’t think it matters if you frontload or backload these days, as contracts of any sort in this game don’t seem to mean a thing unfortunately
RE: Your Team Vs Rabbits
1 Shannon Gallant
2 Jason Moodie
3 Terry Hill
4 Blake Ayshford
5 Michael Crockett
6 Michael Buettner
7 Lincoln Withers
8 Jason Cayless
9 Robbie Mears
10 Danny Galea
11 Jason Shirnack
12 Cory Patterson
13 John Wilson
14 Johnny Cronk
15 Alan Shirnack
16 Jason Shirnack
17 Joel Edwards
Still beat our current squad
Do you mean Ben Galea !
RE: Its a player problem
4 tries down our right side defence early last night were not the middles fault. Noffa, JTJ and Luciano were as bad as anything I’ve seen defensively.
I just watched them again. First one from dummy half was laziness from LL. Mbye, JTJ and Noffo were all marked up (in fact there was still a winger wider because Storm had an edge back rower running a line). If the Jet or Nofo come in they’d be crucified on here.
Try two was off the cuff play from Storm. Nofo misses JAC badly but you can see he’s in two minds about if Joffo is going to get either Hines or the 12.
The Finucane try, LL actually took no-one and ran between two of their players. One of the commentators on Fox was pretty critical of this. I felt sorry for Joffo because I thought he was having a decent crack last night
The Munster try, LL looks a bit late and it could probably be argued that DL is poorly positioned.
I’m wondering if the changes to defensive structures a couple of week ago (not jamming in as much) has left the middle a bit looser. Whilst the tries were all on our right edge I don’t think JTJ can be blamed for any. Nofo and Mbye maybe one and LL definitely a couple.
After being down 30-0 after 17 minutes, only conceding 10 more before half time was realistically better than I was expecting.
What that spells out is very, very poor communication between all of those guys. Not anywhere near good enough. How Noff gets away with this rubbish for years has me baffled. Don’t get me wrong, I like the guy, but holy crap he’s been in a lot of messed up back lines defensively.
How many players in this team have any footy nous ???
I believe that’s what’s needed here more players with no fear, and lots of nous