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I enjoyed Gould’s commentary. It was the icing on the cake.

Ivan the Traitor’s team being snuffed out by a better side and Gould, the delusional clown, unable to accept what was clearly unfolding right in front of him.

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@Chicken_Faced_Killa said in AFL Grand Final:

Richmond in the 90s and early 2000s were very much like Wests Tigers in the last few years. There we jokes about them always finishing 9th, the club was a mess from the boardroom down. They sat down and set some very ambitious targets to improve and although they started slow they ticked the main boxes on the 10 year plan and have created one of the greatest AFL teams. That’s what we need to emulate.

Back in the 90’s their coaching position was a revolving door. Their board spent more time arguing and fighting amongst themselves than driving the club forward.

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@Chicken_Faced_Killa said in AFL Grand Final:

Richmond in the 90s and early 2000s were very much like Wests Tigers in the last few years. There we jokes about them always finishing 9th, the club was a mess from the boardroom down. They sat down and set some very ambitious targets to improve and although they started slow they ticked the main boxes on the 10 year plan and have created one of the greatest AFL teams. That’s what we need to emulate.

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@Tiger5150 said in Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here:

@tigger said in Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here:

There is no doubt in my mind that Hunter’s career has been helped along by his father’s political positions. Interesting that his appointment to Amtrak was by one of Joe’s political opponents. (A bit like Canberra, once you get there, no matter how you get there, you’re all part of the same club). My point however is that it might be a bit of a stretch to say that he LITERALLY had no qualifications.

Agreed.

Ivanka Trump, on the other hand, graduated from Wharton College and had a career in fashion marketing before joining Trumps real estate enterprise. She is now a trusted adviser to the POTUS.

Ivanka is probably not qualified as an advisor, and may or may not be doing a good job, but she isnt involved in illegal activity under her Daddys name whilst he is in power (that we know of).

Ok, so if we are looking at what abouts, then imagine Ivanka with all of her quals, being appointed to the board of an energy company that had already had all of their UK assets seized by the UK govt for fraud and Donald Trump insisting that the Ukrainian prosecutor investigating her dodgy company (of which two directors who are Ivanka best mates who Donald had played golf with are gaoled) be sacked or they wouldnt get a billion dollars in aid. How do you think that would go down? How long before Trump gets impeached for that “quid pro quo”?

They’re all tarred with the same brush, mate.

My point is that everyone doesnt seem to get held to the same standards or account equally.

The problem with that analysis T5150 is that there is no evidence of a quid pro quo. That’s what the Giuliani/Trump revelations are desperately trying to establish.

It’s one thing to prove that Hunter Biden is a bit dodgy and actively traded on his father’s position and reputation. Even going as far as saying that his father actively helped to further Hunter’s career. It’s an entirely different thing to be able to prove that Joe Biden abused his position to either make money or assist his son to make money out of illegal or unethical activities.

I don’t believe you are correct in saying that the Ukranian prosecutor was investigating Burisma. I thought that claim had been disproven a long time ago. (It surfaces in right-leaning media and is denied in left-leaning media - so hard to know). But there is no doubt that in pushing for the Ukraine to sack the prosecutor, Biden was executing US foreign policy supported by both major parties as well as the EU and the IMF. So I think that’s all a bit of right wing media beat up.

The China accusation might have legs with Hunter, but Giulani/Trump appear to be clutching at straws in trying to tie Joe into it. They haven’t done that yet. They’ve rolled out emails that show that Hunter was trying to trade on his father’s name.

I reckon they’ve identified Hunter as a weak link and pulled out all stops to exploit it in a last minute smear campaign against Biden senior.

And Hunter wouldn’t be the first relative of a president or prominent US politician to attempt to cash in. This paragraph is from an article in yesterday’s UK Financial Times in which they opine that, provided Joe Biden himself is not profiting, Hunter’s activities are unlikely to damage his prospects:

“Indeed, Donald Trump Jr openly admitted to soliciting Russian dirt on Clinton during the 2016 campaign with no deleterious effect on his father. Hugh Rodham, Clinton’s brother, was accused of cashing in on his family connections when his brother-in-law was president — which also had no lasting impact. Neil Bush, George HW Bush’s son, faced allegations remarkably similar to those aimed at Hunter Biden — that he used his name to get top corporate positions and attract investors while his father was vice-president — but it had no impact on the 1988 campaign. Billy Carter accepted more than $200,000 from Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi while his brother was president. Again, not a game changer”.

Trump may win the election (I hope not) but I doubt that this little foray from Giulani and his mate Bannon will be the game changer.

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@Tiger5150 said in Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here:

Hunter Biden, a man with LITERALLY no qualifications, who only recent previous employment history was being discharged from the navy for cocaine use is all of a sudden appointed to the board of Ukraines largest energy company receiving $50K per month. That part is not under investigation and is not disputed at all…for me that on its own is dodgey as all hell,

Hi T5150. This is an extract from Hunter Biden’s Bio. There are also periods where he worked for himself as a political lobbyist, but they don’t seem relevant to his appointment to a company board, so I haven’t included them. He was, as you say, discharged from the Navy for cocaine use. In fact, his very appointment to the navy, at age 43 with a history of substance abuse, is a bit sus I reckon

Biden graduated from law school in 1996. He worked in banking during the 1990’s and rose to the rank of executive vice president of MBNA. From 1998 to 2001, he served in the United States Department of Commerce. In 2006 he was appointed by President George W Bush to a five-year term on the board of directors of Amtrak. He was a board member from July 2006 until he resigned in February 2009.

There is no doubt in my mind that Hunter’s career has been helped along by his father’s political positions. Interesting that his appointment to Amtrak was by one of Joe’s political opponents. (A bit like Canberra, once you get there, no matter how you get there, you’re all part of the same club). My point however is that it might be a bit of a stretch to say that he LITERALLY had no qualifications.

Ivanka Trump, on the other hand, graduated from Wharton College and had a career in fashion marketing before joining Trumps real estate enterprise. She is now a trusted adviser to the POTUS.

They’re all tarred with the same brush, mate.

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@Tiger5150 said in Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here:

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@TrueTiger said in Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here:

I watched the Bobulinski presser…I wouldnt want to be anywhere near the Biden campaign or their household in this point in time…
I honestly dont know if these statements or emails etc are true or false…to me,and I dont care who wins the election,its all a bit like tit for tat,as long as whoever cons the most people and gets their vote,and it leads to the White house then victory is theirs…may God help the American people…

The one question I will ask any of you guys who follow the American elections closely is…

If it is proven that Biden has had dealings with other counties and has financially benefitted himself and family,what happens to him as a President nominee and the Democrat party as a whole?

Good question. Time will tell I guess.

The obvious answer is impeachment but that process seems to be just as politically partisan as everything else in US politics. So who knows what will happen.

The FBI is notable in all this for the fact that they are saying absolutely nothing. A lesson learnt from the run up to the 2016 election I guess. I reckon it will be worth watching that space to see what happens AFTER the election is resolved.
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A pity that none of this came out earlier so that it could have been subjected to some rigorous and independent examination.

With regards to timing, I recently read a Time article regarding the Durham investigation and how Trump wants it released prior to the election but the article considers that AG Barr may be sticking to convention regarding politically sensitive information prior to an election.

In theory, some norms control whether and how Durham’s findings would become public. If Durham does not have any other criminal indictments resulting from his work, typically the Justice Department would refrain from making much information public. The Department tends not to release information about what it has found about someone if that person isn’t going to be criminally charged. (This was the norm Comey broke in his public statements about Clinton’s email investigation in 2016.) On the other hand, if people are charged as a result of Durham’s work, the Justice Department has an unwritten “60-day rule” that urges caution on taking major action in any politically significant cases within a window of time before an election if it could affect the results.

https://time.com/5889808/bill-barr-john-durham-investigation-report/

Yes. Barr, who has been widely described as being “Trump’s man”, has appeared to be playing his role with a straight bat throughout this campaign.

I believe that Donald is less than impressed. He’s made a few derogatory comments on twitter, I think.

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Interesting isn’t it how much of the US election campaign is dominated by allegations of corruption. It was the same in 2016.

So little time (comparatively) being spent on substantive differences in dealing with the nations challenges.

You could be forgiven for thinking that it was an election campaign in third world country.

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@TrueTiger said in Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here:

I watched the Bobulinski presser…I wouldnt want to be anywhere near the Biden campaign or their household in this point in time…
I honestly dont know if these statements or emails etc are true or false…to me,and I dont care who wins the election,its all a bit like tit for tat,as long as whoever cons the most people and gets their vote,and it leads to the White house then victory is theirs…may God help the American people…

The one question I will ask any of you guys who follow the American elections closely is…

If it is proven that Biden has had dealings with other counties and has financially benefitted himself and family,what happens to him as a President nominee and the Democrat party as a whole?

Good question. Time will tell I guess.

The obvious answer is impeachment but that process seems to be just as politically partisan as everything else in US politics. So who knows what will happen.

The FBI is notable in all this for the fact that they are saying absolutely nothing. A lesson learnt from the run up to the 2016 election I guess. I reckon it will be worth watching that space to see what happens AFTER the election is resolved.

Some people with suitably impressive titles ARE making statements (e.g. Ratcliffe) but they are mainly players from the Trump camp whose titles give the impression of independence. I don’t believe their views are to be entirely trusted.

The Bobulinski statement is the most interesting. The problem with it is that it comes out with just enough time before the election to be damaging, but also just enough time to not be able to be adequately tested and proven. It may all be true, but, given that timing, it also bears all the hallmarks of a classic smear campaign. I think that we are still entitled to view it with a little scepticism.

A pity that none of this came out earlier so that it could have been subjected to some rigorous and independent examination.

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@Curly_Tiger said in Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here:

@tigger said in Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here:

@Tiger5150 said in Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here:

Its not going away.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8866457/Laptop-allegedly-belonging-Hunter-Biden-linked-FBI-White-Collar-money-laundering-probe.html

It isn’t going to go away. Too much has been invested in this story to allow it to go away.

But really, Mail Online??? This is where we go when we need to know what Kim Kardashian is doing this week.

It’s partly a reflection on how biased the traditional news outlets have become, other sources spring up

I guess that’s one explanation Curly T and I certainly can’t disprove it.

The other possible explanation is that most of the mainstream media (ex Murdoch) won’t touch this story because it looks so dodgy.

I lean towards the second explanation, but I also acknowledge that I’m biased. I lean towards the second because I regard Trump as a man with few, if any, ethical constraints.

The story looks dodgy to me, the provenance looks dodgy and it arrives just in the nick of time to support a man who I think would be more than capable of Nixon-style dirty tricks.

It would be difficult for someone to get me to shift my view on this, but I understand that others will see it from the opposite perspective and I’m fine with that.

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@Tiger5150 said in Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here:

Its not going away.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8866457/Laptop-allegedly-belonging-Hunter-Biden-linked-FBI-White-Collar-money-laundering-probe.html

It isn’t going to go away. Too much has been invested in this story to allow it to go away.

But really, Mail Online??? This is where we go when we need to know what Kim Kardashian is doing this week.