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    • RE: Tigers tell Maguire they’re ‘walking on eggshells’

      I’m with Madge all the way!
      I couldn’t care less if he needed to sack the lot. I just cannot tolerate players who drag their heels and mope around. It’s just a a pitiful attempt to hide their inability to perform at nrl level.

      posted in Season 2020
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    • RE: Signing Suggestions & Rumours

      @TrueTiger said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

      @Tiger_Steve said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

      @hobbo1 said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

      @Tiger_Steve said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

      @Roar_Power said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

      @hank37w said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

      @Roar_Power said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

      @hank37w said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

      @Earl said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

      @hank37w said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

      Its like employing a financial planner
      They are there to help you get the best return on your money

      Financial planners being there to get you the best return is actually the complete opposite way to the way the industry works. Financial planners are there to take money out of your hand and offer nothing at all in return.

      Warren Buffet agrees with me.

      Just for the record, that is not my quote, I was responding to that quote.

      My quote was,

      “As long as we don’t employ Elijah’s financial planner.
      Some of them don’t want to return your money.”

      So I guess, along with Warren Buffet we both agree on the usefulness of financial planners.

      As a financial planner, thats a little offensive. There are plenty of good ones out there that you don’t hear about. Its only the rogues that get the attention - all industries have them.

      Sorry if I offended you, and I would agree that there are good and and bad operators in every industry, and I take it that you are one of the good ones in your industry.

      I understand that there has been a bit of a shake up in the industry in recent times relating to disclosure of commissions and requirements to put clients’ interests first and for financial advisors to disclose any conflicts of interest.

      However, various inquires and Banking Royal Commissions haven’t done a lot to enhance the reputation of financial advisors.

      My own personal experience with 2 or 3 financial advisors that I have had initial meetings with haven’t really given me the confidence to part with the 2 or 3 thousand dollars that they wanted to come up with a plan for my particular situation.

      Thats fair enough Hank. The Royal Commission has started raising the bar ie. degree required etc which can only be good for the industry.

      Many people are skeptical about advisers for good reason but hopefully that changes once the riff raff has exited.

      Financial Planner (and my naivety) cost me $250K after investing in Great Southern and Timbercorp investments. I was lucky - some others committed suicide. Good and bad in every industry- I found the worst grub on the planet

      Wow … that’s a pretty horrific ordeal to go through mate …
      You must have a well paid job in order to recover …

      Went overseas and earned good money. Got me out of trouble. But cost me my marriage and a lot of mental stress I can tell you. Remarried and building a new house now - means a lot in so many ways mate. It’s been a journey

      I went through the breast cancer crap with my ex…the chemo and therapy mixed with different drugs got the better of both of us…It really hurts when you personally know your doing your best but end up with a kick in the guts.I have remained very amicable because I know what she went through…in a word horrific…However,I almost wanted to drive my ute over the Macquarie pass because I was in a state of confusion and was hurting…Now I try and keep a sensible head on my shoulders because I know I would hurt family members in more ways than one by doing what I wanted to do…the WTs are my real oak in my life that helps me converse with my forum buddies as well as give me an interest in life…If I get to meet some one I hope she loves the WTs as much as I do…
      Theres always hope I suppose…

      You’re right TT, there is always hope. During the Great Depression when many lived on bread cooked in dripping and rabbits, they looked for something to cheer about. And it came in the form of Phar Lap, Don Bradman and more recently Reg Gasnier and Gunsynd. I’m sorry Wests Tigers hasn’t quite lived up to our expectations but I feel something is happening. Yesterday I had a 2 hour phone con with my younger sister who has just been told she has breast cancer. After losing a younger sister already to the same battle she is almost inconsolable. We all have our battles, and you obviously have the courage to face yours. You’re not alone mate.

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    • RE: Signing Suggestions & Rumours

      I would rather WT pay whatever it takes to get Charlie Staines. It’s ridiculous that Panthers have 5 fullbacks and we have none.

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    • RE: Jimmy the jet??

      The image of WT can be reflected in it’s recruitment strategy. I thought we were on track with adding players like Momo and Matterson. Talking to the likes of Laurie, Burton etc. these are talented footballers who are looking for an opportunity. That’s the limitless image of expectation we should be projecting. We want to be seen as a place on the up. Not the “retirement home” or “the last chance saloon.” I just feel the image we project around our recruitment behaviour can go a long way to making the job easier. I would like us to be known as the club which offers opportunity to rising stars. Is that too much to ask?

      posted in Contracts
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    • RE: This Forum Endorses #KeepBenji

      I don’t mean to be disrespectful of the emotional investment many of you have for Benji. I too have argued with mates over the years about his value to the team, but it depends on which week you’re talking about. Madge handed Benji a golden opportunity to go out as a WT, same as he did with his long time team mate Robbie Farah and Chris Lawrence. I can only see one of them not returning that respect in kind by accepting the good will. Benji was told a long time ago that WT weren’t prepared to give him another playing contract in 2021.
      Benji should accept the situation and help the club in other ways. His disloyalty is beginning to be a little irritating. I agree with Farah on the issue, in that Benji should be grateful and stop burning his bridges.

      posted in Wests Tigers Discussion
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    • RE: Tigers tell Maguire they’re ‘walking on eggshells’

      What a pitiful excuse for a club we support!
      Players refusing to have a go… refusing to win at critical times… what a bunch of sooks! Drop the whole bloody lot of them Madge. Except McIntyre, he has a go every game.

      posted in Season 2020
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    • RE: The Papenhuyzen decision...

      Congratulations to Ryan Papenhuyzen for a brilliant performance in the Storms GF win over Penrith. Deservedly awarded MoM award.

      posted in Contracts
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    • RE: Benji Marshall

      @tony-soprano said in Benji Marshall:

      @CarltonDry said in Benji Marshall:

      At the awards night it was interesting that Benji thanked Ivan for bringing him back and didn’t mention Madge at all. Again Maguire loses the dressing room so it would be a brave club to extend his contract when players are going backwards and recruitment of top players is non existent during his 2 years.

      Benji can’t help himself bring up Old habits

      I’m happy with this outcome. Previously we would sack the coach. Although there was the one time the club called his bluff which resulted in the superstar playing rugby union.
      We can handle Madge getting some negative remarks from a few deputies during the near future.
      I’m backing Madge because I believe he wants to win.

      Edit, I believe he needs to win.

      posted in Wests Tigers Discussion
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    • RE: Coronavirus Outbreak

      Looks like this thread could do with some good news ? Just heard Jehovas Witness have decided to work from home.

      posted in General Discussion
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    • RE: JAC

      JAC was very good for the blues. What a wonderful player he is. Great anticipation. Always looking to make the most of what limited opportunities presented. Always looking to create an opportunity.

      posted in Contracts
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    • RE: Wests Tigers - Who are we..

      There are supporters who still think Glebe or North Sydney should return to the competition. I think people should believe in whatever they want, direct their loyalty to whichever club they choose based on their own experiences. For example, It would be hard for a kid not to grow up supporting Balmain if his dad was a club legend.
      Has anyone watched the movie “Broke” a story about a North Sydney Bears legend “Kelly”, who, following career ending injury, has fallen on hard times and the people in his community who go to extraordinary lengths to help him recover some dignity. The crunch line in my opinion, which was subtly delivered by Kelly’s would be saviour, “ I’m gonna back you, Terry Lamb style.”
      Follow your heart I say. 👍

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    • RE: Signing Suggestions & Rumours

      @isaaktigers said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

      1. Wooden Spoon
        The poor Wests Tigers, not only will they miss the finals for a tenth consecutive year, but they’ll pick up the wooden spoon along the way. They have some big salaries in Moses Mbye and Russell Packer clogging their cap, a highly rated young brigade with few NRL games between them, a half with 148 games and zero finals appearances, and a lot of inconsistency in the squad. They’ll be the big improvers of 2022, but this will not be their year.

      From Jack Blyth , zero tackle…

      Cant wait till he’s proven wrong…

      Strange logic from Jack Blyth? We had Moses Mbye and Rusty Packer in the squad last year and were at the top end of the bottom 8. OK, sure our wingers are shorter than our 5/8 and we have a young squad but we also have new and improved leadership.
      I think Broncos and Bulldogs will fight it out for the spoon. It’s gonna take a while to fix the Broncos shipwreck while the Dogs will have defensive issues, particularly out wide.
      I hope we’re also underestimated by other clubs.

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    • RE: Luke Brooks

      @Magpieger said in Luke Brooks:

      When Madge came in I was hoping he could get Brooksy to the next level and become a premier half in the comp like Adam Reynolds. My faith has ebbed and flowed along with the seasons as a Wests supporter, but with some new weapons to play with, I’m back in an optimistic place that Brooksy can regain his form and hopefully realise the potential that we’ve all held for him at one time or another.

      It’s only another 8 weeks!
      Bring it on!!!

      posted in Season 2020
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    • RE: Luke Brooks

      @cochise said in Luke Brooks:

      @twentyforty said in Luke Brooks:

      @cochise said in Luke Brooks:

      @twentyforty said in Luke Brooks:

      @cochise said in Luke Brooks:

      @twentyforty said in Luke Brooks:

      @TigerWest said in Luke Brooks:

      @twentyforty said in Luke Brooks:

      @TigerWest said in Luke Brooks:

      @twentyforty said in Luke Brooks:

      Q. How do you turn a good player into an average player?
      A. It can take a few years, but on a positive note, it’s something we have been good at.

      So you don’t put any onus on the player?

      It’s all the clubs fault, is it?

      Don’t think so.

      I don’t think it’s fair to say that Brooks’ poor form rests on his shoulders alone. You may mount an argument that we are all masters of our own destiny, but at the same time, we all behave in accordance with the expectations of others. It’s in our DNA, and particularly so in a team environment. In a team sport, just as a coach can improve performance of a team and individuals in that team, it stands to reason that a coach (or poor club culture) can produce the opposite. As much as us fans get frustrated at a players poor performance when we know he has the skill, we need to acknowledge external influences and cultural expectation.

      If your club operates without organisational discipline, pays overs for players at the end of their careers, mismanages the cap to the extent that it has to buy affordable plodders or unwanted players, then yes I do think that has an affect on club morale and consequently individual player performance.

      However you want to look at it, the guy hasn’t stepped up to control the side, everyone wants to blame other players except the bloke whose job it was.

      I hope he turns it around, but he really does control his own game and his footy future.

      I suppose the lights are shining on Brooks because of the position he plays? So which players in the team have had stellar performances throughout 2020?
      I just don’t want to see Brooks get turfed when we’ve not fixed the real problem. The cause of his, or any other players poor performance?

      How do we fix the real problem, the cause of all the players problems if we don’t turf any of them?

      Cochise, I don’t know what the real problem is, but I do know that a team’s poor performance is a reflection of it. It is a symptom, not the problem itself. I honestly believe the club has given up trying to be comfortable with mediocrity, it gets harder to justify as time goes by. I just don’t believe in wasting money moving players (with skill) on due to poor performance until we discover and rectify the issue. If it’s a deeply embedded attitude issue which cannot be changed then a change of scenery can do wonders. All that information is above my pay rate, but I do suspect there have been fairly simple reasons why we haven’t played finals for a decade? Is it the 7?
      What’s your view mate?

      My post was more tongue in cheek, no I don’t think our problems are Brooks.

      I see we have 2 real issues squad strength and mental toughness and these both manifest themselves in similar ways.

      In relation to squad strength, to compete with the better team we need to be red lining, basically playing the edge of our ability the entire game while the better teams get sit in a comfortable space. This results in us making mistakes at crucial times do to having to maintain our best football for long stretches of time. This was evident in the games against Parra and Penrith last year, though while we were competitive you always knew we were going to be the team to break 1st as we were playing harder to be competitive.

      This comes to the 2nd point, mental toughness, when we do break we don’t have the toughness to overcome the setback. This is shown through our inability to win the big moments, both in a game and throughout the course of the season, it is the reason for our winning the hard games and losing the supposedly easier games.

      Now I believe both of these are being addressed but they are what I believe to be the reasons for our 9 years without finals.

      I agree, that those two deficiencies you elude to are the reason we have been losing games. What I don’t understand is why we have not addressed those issues during such a long period of time? This is the question which leads me to believe that the solution will not be found bubbling on the surface in the public domain. As previously stated, I’ve always believed that the strength of the entire organisation is on display on game day. Those players reflect the traditional values held by others in the club.

      It is a very difficult thing to fix because the mental weakness aspect gets past from player to player. You really need the right people to come in and identify the issues and how to fix them. Now when you are turning over coaches every 2 years it is impossible to rectify.

      We have the right people here now to fix it but they need to be given the time to fix it.

      Agree 100%, we have the right people on board now, as I previously posted, when a few were calling for Madge’s head, if you leave him in the job long enough he will get us to a GF. I just hope he and his team he is putting together, have the full support of the club.

      posted in Season 2020
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    • RE: Luke Brooks

      @cochise said in Luke Brooks:

      @twentyforty said in Luke Brooks:

      @cochise said in Luke Brooks:

      @twentyforty said in Luke Brooks:

      @TigerWest said in Luke Brooks:

      @twentyforty said in Luke Brooks:

      @TigerWest said in Luke Brooks:

      @twentyforty said in Luke Brooks:

      Q. How do you turn a good player into an average player?
      A. It can take a few years, but on a positive note, it’s something we have been good at.

      So you don’t put any onus on the player?

      It’s all the clubs fault, is it?

      Don’t think so.

      I don’t think it’s fair to say that Brooks’ poor form rests on his shoulders alone. You may mount an argument that we are all masters of our own destiny, but at the same time, we all behave in accordance with the expectations of others. It’s in our DNA, and particularly so in a team environment. In a team sport, just as a coach can improve performance of a team and individuals in that team, it stands to reason that a coach (or poor club culture) can produce the opposite. As much as us fans get frustrated at a players poor performance when we know he has the skill, we need to acknowledge external influences and cultural expectation.

      If your club operates without organisational discipline, pays overs for players at the end of their careers, mismanages the cap to the extent that it has to buy affordable plodders or unwanted players, then yes I do think that has an affect on club morale and consequently individual player performance.

      However you want to look at it, the guy hasn’t stepped up to control the side, everyone wants to blame other players except the bloke whose job it was.

      I hope he turns it around, but he really does control his own game and his footy future.

      I suppose the lights are shining on Brooks because of the position he plays? So which players in the team have had stellar performances throughout 2020?
      I just don’t want to see Brooks get turfed when we’ve not fixed the real problem. The cause of his, or any other players poor performance?

      How do we fix the real problem, the cause of all the players problems if we don’t turf any of them?

      Cochise, I don’t know what the real problem is, but I do know that a team’s poor performance is a reflection of it. It is a symptom, not the problem itself. I honestly believe the club has given up trying to be comfortable with mediocrity, it gets harder to justify as time goes by. I just don’t believe in wasting money moving players (with skill) on due to poor performance until we discover and rectify the issue. If it’s a deeply embedded attitude issue which cannot be changed then a change of scenery can do wonders. All that information is above my pay rate, but I do suspect there have been fairly simple reasons why we haven’t played finals for a decade? Is it the 7?
      What’s your view mate?

      My post was more tongue in cheek, no I don’t think our problems are Brooks.

      I see we have 2 real issues squad strength and mental toughness and these both manifest themselves in similar ways.

      In relation to squad strength, to compete with the better team we need to be red lining, basically playing the edge of our ability the entire game while the better teams get sit in a comfortable space. This results in us making mistakes at crucial times do to having to maintain our best football for long stretches of time. This was evident in the games against Parra and Penrith last year, though while we were competitive you always knew we were going to be the team to break 1st as we were playing harder to be competitive.

      This comes to the 2nd point, mental toughness, when we do break we don’t have the toughness to overcome the setback. This is shown through our inability to win the big moments, both in a game and throughout the course of the season, it is the reason for our winning the hard games and losing the supposedly easier games.

      Now I believe both of these are being addressed but they are what I believe to be the reasons for our 9 years without finals.

      I agree, that those two deficiencies you elude to are the reason we have been losing games. What I don’t understand is why we have not addressed those issues during such a long period of time? This is the question which leads me to believe that the solution will not be found bubbling on the surface in the public domain. As previously stated, I’ve always believed that the strength of the entire organisation is on display on game day. Those players reflect the traditional values held by others in the club.

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    • RE: Luke Brooks

      @cochise said in Luke Brooks:

      @twentyforty said in Luke Brooks:

      @TigerWest said in Luke Brooks:

      @twentyforty said in Luke Brooks:

      @TigerWest said in Luke Brooks:

      @twentyforty said in Luke Brooks:

      Q. How do you turn a good player into an average player?
      A. It can take a few years, but on a positive note, it’s something we have been good at.

      So you don’t put any onus on the player?

      It’s all the clubs fault, is it?

      Don’t think so.

      I don’t think it’s fair to say that Brooks’ poor form rests on his shoulders alone. You may mount an argument that we are all masters of our own destiny, but at the same time, we all behave in accordance with the expectations of others. It’s in our DNA, and particularly so in a team environment. In a team sport, just as a coach can improve performance of a team and individuals in that team, it stands to reason that a coach (or poor club culture) can produce the opposite. As much as us fans get frustrated at a players poor performance when we know he has the skill, we need to acknowledge external influences and cultural expectation.

      If your club operates without organisational discipline, pays overs for players at the end of their careers, mismanages the cap to the extent that it has to buy affordable plodders or unwanted players, then yes I do think that has an affect on club morale and consequently individual player performance.

      However you want to look at it, the guy hasn’t stepped up to control the side, everyone wants to blame other players except the bloke whose job it was.

      I hope he turns it around, but he really does control his own game and his footy future.

      I suppose the lights are shining on Brooks because of the position he plays? So which players in the team have had stellar performances throughout 2020?
      I just don’t want to see Brooks get turfed when we’ve not fixed the real problem. The cause of his, or any other players poor performance?

      How do we fix the real problem, the cause of all the players problems if we don’t turf any of them?

      Cochise, I don’t know what the real problem is, but I do know that a team’s poor performance is a reflection of it. It is a symptom, not the problem itself. I honestly believe the club has given up trying to be comfortable with mediocrity, it gets harder to justify as time goes by. I just don’t believe in wasting money moving players (with skill) on due to poor performance until we discover and rectify the issue. If it’s a deeply embedded attitude issue which cannot be changed then a change of scenery can do wonders. All that information is above my pay rate, but I do suspect there have been fairly simple reasons why we haven’t played finals for a decade? Is it the 7?
      What’s your view mate?

      posted in Season 2020
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    • RE: Luke Brooks

      @TigerWest said in Luke Brooks:

      @twentyforty said in Luke Brooks:

      @TigerWest said in Luke Brooks:

      @twentyforty said in Luke Brooks:

      Q. How do you turn a good player into an average player?
      A. It can take a few years, but on a positive note, it’s something we have been good at.

      So you don’t put any onus on the player?

      It’s all the clubs fault, is it?

      Don’t think so.

      I don’t think it’s fair to say that Brooks’ poor form rests on his shoulders alone. You may mount an argument that we are all masters of our own destiny, but at the same time, we all behave in accordance with the expectations of others. It’s in our DNA, and particularly so in a team environment. In a team sport, just as a coach can improve performance of a team and individuals in that team, it stands to reason that a coach (or poor club culture) can produce the opposite. As much as us fans get frustrated at a players poor performance when we know he has the skill, we need to acknowledge external influences and cultural expectation.

      If your club operates without organisational discipline, pays overs for players at the end of their careers, mismanages the cap to the extent that it has to buy affordable plodders or unwanted players, then yes I do think that has an affect on club morale and consequently individual player performance.

      However you want to look at it, the guy hasn’t stepped up to control the side, everyone wants to blame other players except the bloke whose job it was.

      I hope he turns it around, but he really does control his own game and his footy future.

      I suppose the lights are shining on Brooks because of the position he plays? So which players in the team have had stellar performances throughout 2020?
      I just don’t want to see Brooks get turfed when we’ve not fixed the real problem. The cause of his, or any other players poor performance?

      posted in Season 2020
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    • RE: Luke Brooks

      @TigerWest said in Luke Brooks:

      @twentyforty said in Luke Brooks:

      @TigerWest said in Luke Brooks:

      @twentyforty said in Luke Brooks:

      Q. How do you turn a good player into an average player?
      A. It can take a few years, but on a positive note, it’s something we have been good at.

      So you don’t put any onus on the player?

      It’s all the clubs fault, is it?

      Don’t think so.

      I don’t think it’s fair to say that Brooks’ poor form rests on his shoulders alone. You may mount an argument that we are all masters of our own destiny, but at the same time, we all behave in accordance with the expectations of others. It’s in our DNA, and particularly so in a team environment. In a team sport, just as a coach can improve performance of a team and individuals in that team, it stands to reason that a coach (or poor club culture) can produce the opposite. As much as us fans get frustrated at a players poor performance when we know he has the skill, we need to acknowledge external influences and cultural expectation.

      If your club operates without organisational discipline, pays overs for players at the end of their careers, mismanages the cap to the extent that it has to buy affordable plodders or unwanted players, then yes I do think that has an affect on club morale and consequently individual player performance.

      However you want to look at it, the guy hasn’t stepped up to control the side, everyone wants to blame other players except the bloke whose job it was.

      I hope he turns it around, but he really does control his own game and his footy future.

      Club’s are at a slight disadvantage because players get paid on past performance not present day performances. We’re always told by the experts when buying an asset you don’t value it on potential, but that’s exactly what happens when we contract a player, which is why I don’t like the idea of long term contracts. Is it possible or plausible to hold back say $1m of cap to be distributed as bonuses to outstanding performers? Benji and Robbie were moved on because their presence wasn’t allowing Brooks to grow into his role as playmaker. Following, there were other disruptions, then both those guys came back. Then the spine was switched around, while we had some high priced players either watching from the grandstand or in rehab. Let’s not even mention Covid-19. There have been a lot of demotivating influences surrounding Brooks and the club in general. My point is, we should give him every chance to regain his momentum before writing him off, because there’s nothing surer than the joy of a lazy Sunday morning, that if he goes to a well organised, well structured club with high expectations, he will play rep footy.

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    • RE: Luke Brooks

      @TigerWest said in Luke Brooks:

      @twentyforty said in Luke Brooks:

      Q. How do you turn a good player into an average player?
      A. It can take a few years, but on a positive note, it’s something we have been good at.

      So you don’t put any onus on the player?

      It’s all the clubs fault, is it?

      Don’t think so.

      I don’t think it’s fair to say that Brooks’ poor form rests on his shoulders alone. You may mount an argument that we are all masters of our own destiny, but at the same time, we all behave in accordance with the expectations of others. It’s in our DNA, and particularly so in a team environment. In a team sport, just as a coach can improve performance of a team and individuals in that team, it stands to reason that a coach (or poor club culture) can produce the opposite. As much as us fans get frustrated at a players poor performance when we know he has the skill, we need to acknowledge external influences and cultural expectation.

      If your club operates without organisational discipline, pays overs for players at the end of their careers, mismanages the cap to the extent that it has to buy affordable plodders or unwanted players, then yes I do think that has an affect on club morale and consequently individual player performance.

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    • RE: Luke Brooks

      Q. How do you turn a good player into an average player?
      A. It can take a few years, but on a positive note, it’s something we have been good at.

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