@diedpretty said in Coronavirus Outbreak:

@twentyforty said in Coronavirus Outbreak:

@diedpretty said in Coronavirus Outbreak:

@Cairnstigers said in Coronavirus Outbreak:

@Don_Kershane said in Coronavirus Outbreak:

Government gearing up for “foreign entities with ties to their governments” snapping up Australian assets weakened by current economic conditions.Let us hope they are up the task.

Let’s hope the Government bans future foreign ownership of land in this country
Lease ok but ownership no
And a lease like standard industrial property with a 3 x 3 or 5 x 5 year lease
Not a 99 year lease

And limits share in any company in this country to less than 49% with all taxes to be paid in this country, not taken off shore

Time to take ownership of this country and not sell it off

Someone tried to do that 50 years ago and was booted out of office by the buffoons with no foresight.

Following that a more modern day buffoon came with a more stupid idea. We should charge $50,000 for citizenship. I think he went by the name Rudd.

Whats that got to do with what i said - absolutely nothing.

Lol, maybe I misunderstood? Thought you were discussing foreigners buying Australian assets. My view is that if anyone who has $50k would make you feel more comfortable.

@cochise said in Coronavirus Outbreak:

@Tiger5150 said in Coronavirus Outbreak:

@happy_tiger said in Coronavirus Outbreak:

We will never know the true numbers on CV inn Australia

Probably hundreds of people right now with CV who don’t know it because you can’t get tested

Tracking won’t get everyone and certainly won’t get to people in time to stop the progress

Which is why all just need to isolate.

I actually think our testing is as good as it can be. We are one of the highest testing countries in the world with 210000 tests. thats getting near 10% of the population which is a lot compared to the 4000 cases and the number of at risk/symptomatic people. The other thing that gives me confidence in the testing is the absolute constant nature of the data coming out, new infections, deaths and hospital beds are all absolutely constant and predictable.

Brazil on the other hand, 3rd or 4th most populous country in the world has the same number of confirmed cases as us but 415 deaths. That to me points a problem in testing.

Spot on mate, I see and hear people constantly bagging the amounts of testing we are doing but we are one of the highest testing nation per capita in the world. Would it be better if we were testing more? yes, but that is not feasible at the moment!

Unfortunately Victoria’s testing numbers are very low, probably only half as many as the less populated state of QLD.

@Tiger5150 said in Coronavirus Outbreak:

@twentyforty said in Coronavirus Outbreak:

@Tiger5150 said in Coronavirus Outbreak:

@twentyforty said in Coronavirus Outbreak:

I’m having difficulty in understanding social distancing rules? It seems ok to stand in a queue to vote but a funeral must be limited to 10 mourners. It seems ok for hairdressers to continue to work, but beaches must be closed because the bathers are getting too close?
Has this pandemic shown us how ineffective our political system is ? Or are we just lacking leadership? I can understand why we need to take advice from WHO , but we always seem to be behind the pace? Russia closed its borders, and started contact tracing, in January. I’m not suggesting Russia is a model to follow or a country I would like to live in , merely pointing to decisive leadership.

Not having a go at you, nor am I necessarily defending the Govt or leadership, but what exactly do you think they should do? Are you suggesting a full lockdown?

Seems that most people are screaming that the Govt “should do more!!!” but I think it seems to be a lot of people who would not vote Libs in any situation.

Personally, I dont want the Govt to do more, or do less. I want them to take the advice of ALL the experts available to them to chart a course that navigates the tricky path of minimising deaths, ensuring our health system is not overwhelmed yet maintaining the maximum economic heartbeat possible.

Of course the natural reaction is to think to stop everything, shut down everything in total lockdown, and it may come to that and be necessary if it looks like it will overwhelm the health system, and Id be all for it in those circumstances, but if it is possible to reduce the rate of spread to a point that the health system can cope, yet keep as much of the economy running, then for me that is the best path.

This may seem callous for want of a better word, but when this is over, we are going to need to climb out of it and the depth of the decline economically will have a massive impact on many peoples lives for years to come and it will be the lower socioeconomic levels hit hardest. Rich people with assets will make it through.

The natural reaction is always 1 death is too many, but we average 4500 deaths a year for influenza and we dont shut down the economy to save those deaths. I am NOT suggeting this is the same as the flu, its not and if we did nothing there would be more than 10 x that number dead, but there does need to be a balance between possibility of deaths and possibility of economic depression.

5150, I’m not having a go at you either and I’m not wanting to get into a any pee high club discussion.
Just pointing out my observation that we always appear to be a country which follows, rather than one which gets on the front foot instinctively and decisively does what’s best for Australia and it’s citizens. There was a time when citizenship meant something. Anyway, cheer on your club if you like, but it doesn’t explain the failings in our political system.
Here’s an example…
https://www.thecourier.com.au/story/6698458/hairdressers-call-for-clear-messaging-directive-to-close-from-government/

Mate I dont necessarily disagree with you and I am definitely not wanting to get into a club discussion, in fact I dont actually feel like I have a club in this discussion, definitely not one Im cheering on.

Part of what prompted me to respond to your post was listening to discussions about what is going on in the UK. Their strategy is a bit different to what is going on in Italy & US and to a great extent appears to be a lot more successful. Their strategy is not based on auto lock down but involves lock down when required.

Im not sure what you are specifically referring to when you say the Govt which follows, particularly when we were the second country to shut borders to China, Iran & Italy. It is entirely possible that the strategy that the Aus Govt is following, on the advice of their experts, is entirely intentional and what is happening is EXACTLY what they are trying to do, but merely is different to the instinctive reaction of the general population, who aren’t aware of the advice they are getting from the expertise.

Obviously not everyone is listening to the same experts.
I don’t have a problem with the governments staggered approach, although the downside is they need to wait 14 days to see what’s working. It was usually the approach I’ve taken, whether in business or with my health. If we follow the Shorten / Albo approach which is ‘throw the kitchen sink at it and hope for the best, then if it doesn’t work it’s harder to find out why. Or if it does work we can only speculate which remedy was more effective. I don’t know if the enormity of our problem is registering with some. I’ve heard from Doc the damage the virus causes to the lungs is irreparable.

@Russell said in Johns calls for NRL to let weakest clubs die:

@twentyforty said in Johns calls for NRL to let weakest clubs die:

I think it’s time to let it all die including the NRL. it’s time to start planning for the future with an inaugural board of the South Pacific Rugby League. Start planning now for a new and exciting 2021 competition . Why empty the bank account trying to keep the ship afloat when we should take advantage of this opportunity for change and build a bigger better ship?

Depends who is in the bigger and better ship, doesn’t it?

Not really. Why can’t say Penrith go belly up next week and reform in 6 months to apply for entry into a new competition?
Kikau would probably need to join WT of course.

@hammertime said in Coronavirus Outbreak:

@Snake said in Coronavirus Outbreak:

@diedpretty said in Coronavirus Outbreak:

@Jedi_Tiger said in Coronavirus Outbreak:

Gladys will get back in in NSW easily time of crisis stick with Libs usually plus no opposition.

With fanboys like you she must be a chance.

Glady’s will not be contesting the next election as leader put your money on it ! The whispers are very loud .

I hope so. God knows how one premier gets the boot for a bottle of Grange, but one remains standing after letting a virus laden cruise ship loose in her most densely populated city.

Isn’t that one of the reasons for the reopening of Christmas Island? There are another 3,000 Australians on cruise ships due to come home. I’m pleased they are coming home, but to Market Street Sydney?

@diedpretty said in Coronavirus Outbreak:

@Cairnstigers said in Coronavirus Outbreak:

@Don_Kershane said in Coronavirus Outbreak:

Government gearing up for “foreign entities with ties to their governments” snapping up Australian assets weakened by current economic conditions.Let us hope they are up the task.

Let’s hope the Government bans future foreign ownership of land in this country
Lease ok but ownership no
And a lease like standard industrial property with a 3 x 3 or 5 x 5 year lease
Not a 99 year lease

And limits share in any company in this country to less than 49% with all taxes to be paid in this country, not taken off shore

Time to take ownership of this country and not sell it off

Someone tried to do that 50 years ago and was booted out of office by the buffoons with no foresight.

Following that a more modern day buffoon came with a more stupid idea. We should charge $50,000 for citizenship. I think he went by the name Rudd.

@Tiger_Steve said in Coronavirus Outbreak:

I’m sitting on my front verandah which overlooks a fairly major road. Traffic is nonstop. How stupid are we? What part of ‘stay home’ is so hard to understand. Fairdinkum we live in a selfish Society

Steve, I see the same thing and wonder what it is that makes so many move around? I was wondering, if the limits on retail items has something to do with shoppers being more active? I was thinking about getting a click and collect order for a few neighbours. Didn’t want to be the only one in the street with good reds during lock down. Sorry no can do. It had to be 5 seperate orders. ️

@Cultured_Bogan said in Coronavirus Outbreak:

@Geo said in Coronavirus Outbreak:

Tossing up what to watch… Deep Impact Outbreak Contagion or the jewel in the crown Resident Evil…

Freddy Got Fingered.

There’s a 1965 flick “Ship of Fools” starring Lee Marvin, which you may like.

@Tiger5150 said in Coronavirus Outbreak:

@twentyforty said in Coronavirus Outbreak:

I’m having difficulty in understanding social distancing rules? It seems ok to stand in a queue to vote but a funeral must be limited to 10 mourners. It seems ok for hairdressers to continue to work, but beaches must be closed because the bathers are getting too close?
Has this pandemic shown us how ineffective our political system is ? Or are we just lacking leadership? I can understand why we need to take advice from WHO , but we always seem to be behind the pace? Russia closed its borders, and started contact tracing, in January. I’m not suggesting Russia is a model to follow or a country I would like to live in , merely pointing to decisive leadership.

Not having a go at you, nor am I necessarily defending the Govt or leadership, but what exactly do you think they should do? Are you suggesting a full lockdown?

Seems that most people are screaming that the Govt “should do more!!!” but I think it seems to be a lot of people who would not vote Libs in any situation.

Personally, I dont want the Govt to do more, or do less. I want them to take the advice of ALL the experts available to them to chart a course that navigates the tricky path of minimising deaths, ensuring our health system is not overwhelmed yet maintaining the maximum economic heartbeat possible.

Of course the natural reaction is to think to stop everything, shut down everything in total lockdown, and it may come to that and be necessary if it looks like it will overwhelm the health system, and Id be all for it in those circumstances, but if it is possible to reduce the rate of spread to a point that the health system can cope, yet keep as much of the economy running, then for me that is the best path.

This may seem callous for want of a better word, but when this is over, we are going to need to climb out of it and the depth of the decline economically will have a massive impact on many peoples lives for years to come and it will be the lower socioeconomic levels hit hardest. Rich people with assets will make it through.

The natural reaction is always 1 death is too many, but we average 4500 deaths a year for influenza and we dont shut down the economy to save those deaths. I am NOT suggeting this is the same as the flu, its not and if we did nothing there would be more than 10 x that number dead, but there does need to be a balance between possibility of deaths and possibility of economic depression.

5150, I’m not having a go at you either and I’m not wanting to get into a any pee high club discussion.
Just pointing out my observation that we always appear to be a country which follows, rather than one which gets on the front foot instinctively and decisively does what’s best for Australia and it’s citizens. There was a time when citizenship meant something. Anyway, cheer on your club if you like, but it doesn’t explain the failings in our political system.
Here’s an example…
https://www.thecourier.com.au/story/6698458/hairdressers-call-for-clear-messaging-directive-to-close-from-government/

A patient attended the hospital asking to be tested for COVID-19. He was asked if he had recently arrived from a hotspot. He told them …no, so was sent away with a flu diagnosis. A week later when doing his own contact tracing he realised he had attended a wedding which included at least one other guest with confirmed COVID -19. He returned to the hospital and was tested positive. It’s easy to flatten the curve if we’re testing the wrong people.