The Tigers have to stick with the 1. Laurie 6. Douihei 7. Brooks 9. Simpkin for the year regardless of what happens. They need to build combinations for this season and yers ahead.

@pawsandclaws1 said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

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@davey_farrell said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

kills me to say this i thought we looked better when Mbye went to dummy half, i thought his passing was crisper then Liddle, i am unfortunately seeing nothing in Liddle. His passing was aweful today, he is going backwards

Quite a lot of our players have regressed in their standard of play. How long can WTs afford to stick with Maguire?

Depends on how you look at it Utoikamanu, Laurie, Blore, Maumalo, Luciano, Douihei, Twal, Mikalele, Ofehengaue are players who play for Madge.

The group that doesn’t Mbye, Brooks, BJ, Liddle, Nofa.

Which group is the club trying to move on? That will tell you what will happen with Madge.
The players regressing under madge are the players that have to be moved on not the coach.

The narrative is wrong it’s being pushed by media and people are jumping on it without realising the issue it’s our senior players.

Our playing group is better than what our performances and place on the ladder suggest.

The issue is with Maguire and he should be sacked asap.

I disagree with pretty much everything you said.

This is the same playing group that Maguire has to a large extent signed or re-signed. You involve yourself in a blame shifting exercise. Put Maguire on the market and no club would want him. Put Brooks and Liddle on the market and plenty of clubs would be interested.

I wonder how many supporting Maguire actually have a vested interest in doing so - you know snouts - trough?

We are a bottom 2 roster as was called by a majority of experts at the start of the year. It’s a rebuild. Our level of mediocrity predates Maguire as no one has had the balls to take a long term approach. It’s about living in reality and not some fantasy land where we have a good team and the coach can’t coach.

I’ve heard this from many wishful thinkers.
The roster is average and will only be rebuilt slowly through youth.

If there’s an upgrade I’m all for changing the coach. There won’t be one, no good young coach is coming here. Flanagan is the only realistic option. I’d prefer they stick with Madge.

At the end of the day whatever decision the management with Sheens on board makes will be the right one but using arguments like Madge’s roster etc is a joke. He can only sign who wants to come here and the mess was not created by him.

No big signings is a good thing for us. Trust me we won’t win anything if we continually recruit big money players. Keep at it sign young players with pedigree that want an opportunity. Build a club the kids want to stay at and play for. At some stage the investment in pathways will deliver the players we want at the right price.

Recruitment should only be to strengthen areas we are weaker at and or for experience or leadership to help the young players.

Lomax to the Tigers. Until the club sends me an email I can’t see any truth to it. Would be possibly the most targeted and smart signing we could make outside of Joey Manu. It’s the type of signing which improves us by 3 wins.

@bptiger-0 said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

Really how do u keep a coach who over 3 years the defence has got worse each year . Also the attack is deadset woeful . So if he has failed on those two accounts what the hell has he achieved to keep his job .

I’d you give him a squad the that’s bottom of the table roster before a balls bounced he’s probably exceeded expectations. That’s unless you suffer from WTDS. Wests Tigers Delusion Syndrome.
The coach doesn’t have autonomy on roster creation and his leaders are not doing a good job.

If there’s a better candidate fine but the Madge hate is so biased it’s bordering a witch hunt.

Madge has a strategy sign fat players that could be superstars. He will follow them around all offseason like a stalker and tell em put down the Canoli fatso.

The Tigers are showing discipline with signing targets and not paying overs. They are only going to offer extreme talents and proven origin level player big money. The reality of this is we will not get players as we are viewed as a weak club by players and player managers. We are doing things the right way and I applaud it. We need to build from within there’s plenty of talent on the roster Twal, Mikalele, Aloai, Leilua, Garner, MCK, Thompson, Mbye, Nofa, Brooks, Liddle, Seyfarth, Momirovski. Some veterans that can also help Packer, Benji, ET, Lawrence.

The club has identified rightly we are 2-3 strike players away from contention. If you can’t attract them you have to sign/develop younger players to make it happen.

I’d rather no news than paying overs for players who make us slightly better it will hurt in the longer term. The Storm hardly recruit any big names they sign them young and develop them mostly. Smith, Cronk, Slater, Inglis, Folau, Bromwich, NAS, Munster, Papynhuyzen, JAC, Vunivalu, Finucane, Chambers. I can’t think of any origin players they signed from another club.

The article is spot on. Madge will turn this mess around but it’s a rebuild. The draw back with Madge will be top end recruiting there is no shying away from that. I don’t care build it to last. I’ve been banging on about long term rebuild for ages and the message from the club needs to reflect this. Sheens under the current climate and need for pathways is a bigger signing than people realise.

Someone with ties to the club told me today don’t expect a deal on Matterson. The Tigers want a swap deal and offers are underwhelming. Paying him or fining him if he doesn’t turn up won’t impact anything. I have no idea if it’s correct but if so we have finally grown a set.

When you sit back and look at it Madge has exited Matulino, Packer, Reynolds, Mbye, McQueen.
Brought in Laurie, Stefano, Blore, Douihei, Maumalo, Luciano, Simpkins, Simpkin, Utoikamanu. In the scheme of things two big losses were Aloai, Matterson. Bad recruitment Tamou, BJ, Jet.

We are better roster wise but the gap with the good teams is huge for many clubs. We need some reinforcements.

@pawsandclaws1 said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

@momo_amp_medo said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

I feel it my bones that somethings cooking that will be ready by the end of next week.
Or then again it could be just my Rheumatoid arthritis!

I remain positive Hartigan and Sheens can work it to attract some really good young players and maybe a capable vet to improve the roster.

Sheens will Hartigan has proven he’s not up to it.

@cochise said in Madge Maguire - Mega Thread:

@thedaboss said in Madge Maguire - Mega Thread:

people are pointing fingers at AD for liking a post about Madge…

he is not the only one

so now we gonna have shots at tamou and ken now ?

That post is not being critical of anyone in the club?

You notice how our best players support the coach. I’ve been saying this for a while sack Madge and good luck. Our club has a low iq I’m a punter and know what’s happening at the club. How the hell don’t they know what’s going on.
They are asleep at the wheel.

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The reality is, we’re going to struggle to attract players while Maguire remains as head coach.

Or under any other coach as we have seen previously

More so with Madge unfortunately.

You could be right. I feel it’s more the decision by the club that they won’t pay overs. If we offered huge money to the players we missed they would be here IMO

From what I’m hearing out of the WT camp I’m not wrong. The club doesn’t know which way is up and Maguire has only managed to survive because WT couldn’t get the coach they wanted.

With the new QLD team for 2023 it just made it even harder for us to pickup quality players at the right price (even if we could). We are effectively now stuck on the new mantra of develop from within . Is Madge the coach to motivate and develop youth?

@willow said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

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@willow said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

The reality is, we’re going to struggle to attract players while Maguire remains as head coach.

Or under any other coach as we have seen previously

More so with Madge unfortunately.

You could be right. I feel it’s more the decision by the club that they won’t pay overs. If we offered huge money to the players we missed they would be here IMO

From what I’m hearing out of the WT camp I’m not wrong. The club doesn’t know which way is up and Maguire has only managed to survive because WT couldn’t get the coach they wanted.

Well he was the one who signed all the good ones currently filling our roster out . I think he’s the right guy , he just needs to accept he’s moved the “manager” role , that happens when these guys get older. The smart ones surround themselves with guys who are fresh with fresh ideas .
That’s his real issue. He still thinks it’s 2011 and he’s the fresh new coach . That’s 10 years ago. Might as well be 1980 , with the speed of which tactics and the game moves.

Agree 100% . Hope he can change and we can hire some assistants that can move from on from 2011 tactics and also be given the chance to be the next head coach and not smothered by self protection like he has done the past couple of years with Snoop and Millard. Even the KOE coach who people are impressed by came from a prior association with Madge.

Hopefully Madge now realised that self protection mode will more than likely lead to being sacked quicker than being white. Anted

Epiphany? Parting of the sea?

Is that not what he’s being doing the last 3 years? My point is if he gets the right assistants maybe we’ll see some progress.

Our only hope is Sheens and the new assistants.

I agree. With little change in roster the only improvement will come from coaching. It’s critical they sign some excellent assistant coaches in order to help Sheens get the most out of the squad.

You’re just cheesed off because your endless posting to remove the coach didn’t get anywhere.

Sheens wont be and will never be coach, we all know it, you’re just trolling again.

Not trolling at all, if they thought Madge had any semblance of competence they wouldn’t have Sheens sitting above him and have new assistants chosen for him. Willow even said last night we only kept him because we couldn’t get who we wanted. The board has no confidence in him.

He essentially has had all his power taken away from him and he’ll just be a puppet moving forward. A coach in name only. It’s all down to Sheens and the assistants now to see if we can improve the club. If they can somehow dig us out of the hole Madge has created it will be a great achievement.

Looking forward to 2022

If that’s what u need to tell yourself

I’m sorry if it upsets you Tony but It’s fairly obvious what the club is doing with the coaching moving forward. They could see having Madge in control was doomed to fail so they’ve made the necessary changes. Hope it works.

So with your model, if the club fails next season, then it’s Sheen’s fault?
You do realise, that when we are successful next year, they will probably extend Madge’s contract, don’t you?

You lost your crusade, live with it.

No I’d give Sheens a little more time. I think it will take more than 1 season to undo all the damage Maguire has done. Sheens got us to a grand final victory year 3, Madge got us to a 38-0 loss against the wooden spooners. Ouch.

If we’re winning I’d be happy for them to extend him, but he’d probably want to go into a role where he has some influence and is an actual coach rather than a puppet.

I don’t think you understand the problem. Tigers lost al their best juniors and haven’t developed players in years. We don’t have the players to bring through. Sheens has to fix pathways whether it’s Madge or anyone else he can only play who is signed. Coaching is not the issue it’s a cop out or agenda based narrative.

The loss of our best players started under the Go administration and then continued under Pascoe with the panic buying and short term approach.
The problem people in charge with no idea about rugby league.

I would have sacked Pascoe and appointed someone who has run footy clubs ie Richardson, Ribot, John Quayle. Enough of the corporate stuff the club is financially viable it will be crippled if we continue to run bottom 4.

It’s a rebuild we won’t make the 8 next year and I’m betting the coach will see out his contract. What kind of fool would pay two coaches to coach a non competitive roster. Many don’t understand we are 5 years away. They’re will be a new coach to take us forward I’m guessing but we won’t make finals until 2025 at the earliest.

@pablox said in WT Player Recruitment & Retention for 2021:

@telltails said in WT Player Recruitment & Retention for 2021:

https://www.espn.com.au/nrl/story/_/id/28694534/building-nrl-premiership-winning-team-draft-free-league
Came across this article about Adam Hartigan and his progression in the NRL. and his level of involvement in recruiting…

“Zane Camroux will lead the Balmain Tigers SG Ball team out against Manly Warringah this weekend. Two clubs which have played a part in the career of Adam Hartigan. He’ll be hoping, as all in his position do, that Camroux will be a success story, and that Wests Tigers will continue to build a competitive first grade roster based on the strength of their juniors. The ultimate aim being that with the help of some carefully picked players from outside the system, the club will once again raise the premiership trophy in front of its adoring fans.”

Did we retain him?

Asleep at the wheel

@madge said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

Not a fan of Flannagan at all to be honest. Even as an assistant at the dragons he didn’t do much. Neil Henry as an attack coach is a good shout though.

Neil Henry is not qualified to tie Flanagans shoe laces. Flanagan is one of the best technical coaches in the game. Best signing we could make as an assistant.

@barra said in WT Player Recruitment & Retention for 2021:

@telltails said in WT Player Recruitment & Retention for 2021:

https://www.espn.com.au/nrl/story/_/id/28694534/building-nrl-premiership-winning-team-draft-free-league
Came across this article about Adam Hartigan and his progression in the NRL. and his level of involvement in recruiting…

And if the current talk about Jordan Hill is on the money, disturbingly we are still slow to react?

Has to go

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@eyeofthetiger-0 said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

Sign players off contract for 2023. Then seek a release for 2022

This is something else that’s unrealistic. We need to fill the roster ASAP. You can’t put your eggs in the basket of waiting till November to sign players in 2023, which in itself will be a struggle. But then you have to haggle a release with the players club that might not happen. And by now it’s halfway through November and you still have 4 roster spots to fill

November is just over a month away. If we sign some decent players for 2023, you get optimism to sit through the crap of 2022 and you also get the off chance they come over early

We’ll be back training by November. They’ll need to sign a couple players before they go back.

That’s just super early pre season. They do that, have another break and then it gets serious

So what if can’t haggle early releases. Then what?

Then who cares. If this stupid board can just accept that we have another down year under Madge with greener pastures on the way for 2023 with incoming recruits, then will be on the up. If they take the normal gun ho approach and sack madge halfway through the year, will be stuffed.

November 1 start throwing that money around, make a stupidly high offer for a manu or Brandon smith

No elite player is signing here.

I believe reality has set in at the Tigers this is a long term rebuild. I don’t see anything but 2 year veteran deals and younger players looking for an opportunity on the horizon. The club won’t over pay and from the sounds of it they know it’s a long term plan. Madge will see out his two years and they can plan for the future hopefully with a more experienced squad getting more games.

The brand damage is done they have to take their time and do it properly.

@cochise said in Madge Maguire - Mega Thread:

@shooter-mcgavin said in Madge Maguire - Mega Thread:

Not sure if posted already but interesting to see the future captains opinion

That makes me question him as a future captain. Shows a lack of maturity.

He should be captain next season. We need a voice that plays hard, with passion and loves hard work. Our management need to sack themselves.