Comments suggesting it doesn’t matter as they’re only reserve graders are missing the point. These players were identified by us and we made them offers. They turned us down. There is no point having a youth strategy if we’re unable to sign them.
The vast majority of NRL players will resign with their current clubs. This is not an issue unique to Wests Tigers. Do you think the Wests Tigers were the only club that identified either of these guys?
They are not the only two players we’ve gone after. We’ve gone after many other players that have signed with rival clubs.
So what? We are a club that isn’t very attractive because we have spent so much time near the bottom. That won’t change overnight.
You conveniently ignore all the junior talent we have signed because we missed out on 2.
We’ve missed out on a lot more than two unless of course we didn’t really make them an offer at all -
Ah so now you’re changing the argument to make the list longer, sorry I didn’t realise players in their mid 20,s were classed as junior talent.
Not changing the argument at all. Egan and HSS were no doubt being recruited for our NRL side, not to sit in KOE. These are players we were linked to and have signed zero. Our miss rate is shocking.
Do you believe bringing Sheens back is an admission a cog is amiss in our recruitment wheel (note I believe Hartigan is doing a fine job)?
Hartigan is also a big piece of the recruitment team, not just Madge.
If our recruitment purportedly sucks, the blame lays with the entire team. You don’t get to pick and choose who to single out.
I think whoever is identifying the talent (I imagine a mix of Hartigan and Madge) is doing a good job. They just can’t close a deal. That’s the issue
Yeah and you will not get an argument from me about that either. We are flush with cash so it’s not about that. It’s either we are refusing to pay overs to attract the talent as it appears we have had a bit of a moneyball approach of late, or they don’t want to be here.
But my reply to Paws was moreso about his willingness to apportion blame toward Madge in it’s entirety and absolve absolutely everyone else in the process. Never anyone else’s fault but Maguire’s.
It’s not an unreasonable expectation the NRL coach is the No 1 cog in recruiting NRL players to a club.
Is it also unreasonable to expect your halfback to be the number 1 cog in your team?
That’s the halfback who is the most marked man in the team because he poses the biggest threat to opposing teams?
You answered a question with a question and still didn’t answer my question. My point is you seem to hold the whole organisation to this amazingly high standard which you then don’t have for the halfback of our team which is the “No 1 cog” in our team.
Brooks is one of our best together with Twal. That you cannot see this is your issue.
Trent Barrett can attract JAC, Burton, TPJ, Vaughan and the Bronco’s lock is now on his acquisition list. It is not an unreasonable expectation Maguire do the same for WTs. Why are you so sensitive about this? Maguire should rightly be held to account for the lack of signings to improve our roster. He is the NRL coach.
I’m happy to hold madge to account and you can see from my multiple posts I have done that. Ten years as our halfback, 3 coaches and still no finals for our number 1 cog. I admire your devotion but it is definitely clouding your judgement. Our best players are all young players that madge recruited ( Stefano, Laurie, douhei, Blore, tuilagi, mumalo)…etc…
So you hold Brooks to account for the collective failings of the club? Your argument is flawed.
That’s my point lol. You want to hold madge to account for the collective failings of the club.
He is the halfback of the team , the main man, the guy who manages the team, the game manager, the number one cog as you like to put it. So of course it’s on him. Name one other club that has persisted with a halfback that hasn’t played finals in ten years?
Our only wins this year have been against undermanned teams and potential wooden spooners. This year has been a disaster and the best argument that can be mustered for Maguire’s retention is fear of who is replacement may be, not that his performance warrants retention.
On the day Maguire signed with the WTs, I was told by a former Souths’ man and posted it on this forum. He had no ill feeling towards Maguire. When I asked about him, his answer was Maguire was not the coach for WTs’ style of football. He was spot on with that comment.
When you are comparing Brooks with other halves, take a look at the quality of players who have left WTs- Tedesco, Moses, Woods, Simona and JAC. Look at the quality of the players who replaced them. Being at the Storm, Chooks, Panthers, Broncos etc the quality of replacement is always available. It isn’t a level playing field. And before you attempt to use that as a defence for Maguire (being a Maguire apologist as you are), signed up well knowing the roster.
What is the right type of coach for the West’s Tigers though? Is it a softie that pandas to the players every whim and pats them on the head when things aren’t going our way to tell them they’re all good guys and it’s not your fault we’re playing like rubbish?
I think your mate perhaps was eluding to the fact that the above description is who the west’s tigers are, or at least who we have been for a large part of our recent history and for that reason Madge isn’t the right fit. And I’d agree if we felt that type of club and that type of view of who we want to be is to remain as it’s been for a while. I think we need to find a hard edge and develop a win at all costs mentality and for that reason we need a coach like Madge and if not him, someone of his mould.
Madge was brought in because we were soft. Behavioural change is a difficult task but he is what we need. Can’t believe knobs still think he isn’t a good coach! He’s had to endure a horrendous roster and salary cap and finally, we are in a position to buy some guys who fit his culture. He deserves this chance as much. People that don’t understand this are incompetent.