Joined
Last Online
Recent Posts
posted in General Rugby League read more

@Strongee said in ARLC scraps anthem:

@watersider said in ARLC scraps anthem:

@Strongee said in ARLC scraps anthem:

@watersider said in ARLC scraps anthem:

@Strongee said in ARLC scraps anthem:

@Tiger_Steve said in ARLC scraps anthem:

@gallagher said in ARLC scraps anthem:

@Tiger_Steve said in ARLC scraps anthem:

To me it’s not the use or overuse that’s the issue. It’s that yet again we appease the loud voice. I won’t be watching.
Maybe I could protest about ‘welcome to country’ being rammed down my throat at every opening of an envelope

The event has lost me as a viewer. It’s just divisive bulldust to me.

100% agree and it’s just a pity that these young indigenous players are too naive to realise they are being used as pawns in a game. A game that is creating ill will that does not need to exist

Mate it’s not just indigenous. It’s LGBT , women’s movement , various ethnicities, religious sects . Political parties , anti Vaxers , climate change .etc.
Just by simply asking the question . How come you’re considered racist ,prejudice , homophobe ,climate denier … just because you believe everyone should be included . It just leads to perpetual screaming matches where the info goes straight over everyone’s head. Zero desire for common ground and true reconciliation. Everyone wasn’t thier time in the sun . And because it this , it becomes a war of attrition , where any ground lost or won , however trivial ,is considered a Huge victory or defeat.
Unfortunately the inmates have started to get control of the asylum.

I think that argument is like saying people who want lower levels of migration in Australia are racist or wrong because there are also right wing racist nationalists who make that argument. You have to take arguments and people as they are, not try and group them with others and dismiss them all. Both the left and the right do this sort of generalising and dismissing of arguments too often (as racist or prejudicial on the right, and as socialist PC on the left), this is what gets people upset. We’re not talking about LGBTQI, feminism, ‘various ethnicities’, religious groups, anti-vaxers; we’re talking about the Indigenous protest of the national anthem and they have valid reasons for protesting. The merit of the other protests isn’t something I know about and I don’t think it’s relevant to this protest. Better to avoid generalising.

? Pardon ? I don’t follow . You’ve done exactly what I said people do , and projected your own ideas on to what I said . And not actually read my point. Way to go ! This is what I’ve been saying . Nothing gets heard . It’s all just noise in the atmosphere. And now you dismiss this idea and notion , that the search for common ground is becoming a waste of time. It is all linked .
People are tribalistic by nature , and with social media , it has become extremely easy for everybody to find Thier applicable echo chamber . My point is directly related to a larger cultural issue where common ground is impossible to find . Of which , the anthem is just 1 of many issues .

Right, I see. You’d like to see people strive for common ground and not be so divisive? I thought you were saying something like ‘all these fruit loops are protesting, it has to stop’ but I see now you were arguing for more community spirit. That’s good. I guess the Indigenous RL players don’t feel connected to the community. That’s a shame. I think we can work harder to include them. I think even if that fails and even if we feel like we’re doing enough and we can’t understand why they’re still protesting, we still have to accept their right to protest. And doing so makes our community stronger, because people know they have a voice and are accepted and are allowed to say things which are challenging and still be a part of it. I don’t know, I think I share your hope for a stronger community and I get where you’re coming from there, but part of taking responsibility, which Peterson preaches, is also arguing for things people believe in. You don’t just accept the way things are, you actively struggle for and support the causes you believe in. So to flip it a bit, you can see this protest as a sign of their strength and also a sign of the health of our community that they can do it.

Mate , you’re just preaching now. None of what you said has been debated by me. If anything I’ve advocated for exactly what you’re saying , I just haven’t mentioned it , as I assumed it was a given , and a waste of time getting bogged down in it , as it’s obvious they have a right to protest.
What’s less obvious , is that the opposing point of view can’t be dismissed either. It’s not community spirit I’m advocating , it’s the fact that we as a species cannot evolve into our true potential , if we are always , resorting back to whatever tribe we align with when times get tough . Its a huge waste of time. I fear for my children , with economic uncertainty due to automation, climate change , increasing unrest over petty things that should have been sorted years ago.
Imagine if we could put the amount of brain power dedicated to petty differences like skin colour , and whatever imaginary friend you believe in , back into things that propel us into the future.
Everyone is always going to have prejudices sure. It’s inevitable , but the extreme amount of time and energy put towards it is ridiculous. And now , because of the advent of social media, any perceived ground gained in the last 40 years, is heading backwards fast. People being attacked for their views , however minor , means , they tend to look for their echo chamber rather than deal with other people’s crap . This is what I’m saying is wrong . It is not good .
Black people get called all the stereotypes , so they talk about light skinned people.
Light skinned people get called all the stereotypes and THEY , sit around and talk about black people .
LGBTQ get call3d all the stereotypes so they sit around and talk about straight people ,
Straight people do the same … and so on it goes. Nobody is having conversations with alternate thought processes anymore .
It’s like when You think stupid thoughts in your head , you say it out loud , and people say “ that’s stupid”,. And you thought you Were thinking some impressive stuff.
It’s a real world version of this . Only there’s nobody to say “that’s stupid”.

Not sure where to go with this, only that I don’t see Indigenous concerns or protest as being ‘trivial’ or a part of a relativist everyone’s sort of to blame sort of scenario, if that’s what you’re arguing. I really think Indigenous people have suffered and continue to suffer and I don’t see their protest as harmful or disruptive to the broader collective humanitarian struggle towards our ‘true potential’. But I’m not sure you’re disagreeing with that anyway.

posted in General Rugby League read more

@Strongee said in ARLC scraps anthem:

@watersider said in ARLC scraps anthem:

@Strongee said in ARLC scraps anthem:

@Tiger_Steve said in ARLC scraps anthem:

@gallagher said in ARLC scraps anthem:

@Tiger_Steve said in ARLC scraps anthem:

To me it’s not the use or overuse that’s the issue. It’s that yet again we appease the loud voice. I won’t be watching.
Maybe I could protest about ‘welcome to country’ being rammed down my throat at every opening of an envelope

The event has lost me as a viewer. It’s just divisive bulldust to me.

100% agree and it’s just a pity that these young indigenous players are too naive to realise they are being used as pawns in a game. A game that is creating ill will that does not need to exist

Mate it’s not just indigenous. It’s LGBT , women’s movement , various ethnicities, religious sects . Political parties , anti Vaxers , climate change .etc.
Just by simply asking the question . How come you’re considered racist ,prejudice , homophobe ,climate denier … just because you believe everyone should be included . It just leads to perpetual screaming matches where the info goes straight over everyone’s head. Zero desire for common ground and true reconciliation. Everyone wasn’t thier time in the sun . And because it this , it becomes a war of attrition , where any ground lost or won , however trivial ,is considered a Huge victory or defeat.
Unfortunately the inmates have started to get control of the asylum.

I think that argument is like saying people who want lower levels of migration in Australia are racist or wrong because there are also right wing racist nationalists who make that argument. You have to take arguments and people as they are, not try and group them with others and dismiss them all. Both the left and the right do this sort of generalising and dismissing of arguments too often (as racist or prejudicial on the right, and as socialist PC on the left), this is what gets people upset. We’re not talking about LGBTQI, feminism, ‘various ethnicities’, religious groups, anti-vaxers; we’re talking about the Indigenous protest of the national anthem and they have valid reasons for protesting. The merit of the other protests isn’t something I know about and I don’t think it’s relevant to this protest. Better to avoid generalising.

? Pardon ? I don’t follow . You’ve done exactly what I said people do , and projected your own ideas on to what I said . And not actually read my point. Way to go ! This is what I’ve been saying . Nothing gets heard . It’s all just noise in the atmosphere. And now you dismiss this idea and notion , that the search for common ground is becoming a waste of time. It is all linked .
People are tribalistic by nature , and with social media , it has become extremely easy for everybody to find Thier applicable echo chamber . My point is directly related to a larger cultural issue where common ground is impossible to find . Of which , the anthem is just 1 of many issues .

Right, I see. You’d like to see people strive for common ground and not be so divisive? I thought you were saying something like ‘all these fruit loops are protesting, it has to stop’ but I see now you were arguing for more community spirit. That’s good. I guess the Indigenous RL players don’t feel connected to the community. That’s a shame. I think we can work harder to include them. I think even if that fails and even if we feel like we’re doing enough and we can’t understand why they’re still protesting, we still have to accept their right to protest. And doing so makes our community stronger, because people know they have a voice and are accepted and are allowed to say things which are challenging and still be a part of it. I don’t know, I think I share your hope for a stronger community and I get where you’re coming from there, but part of taking responsibility, which Peterson preaches, is also arguing for things people believe in. You don’t just accept the way things are, you actively struggle for and support the causes you believe in. So to flip it a bit, you can see this protest as a sign of their strength and also a sign of the health of our community that they can do it.

posted in General Rugby League read more

@Strongee said in ARLC scraps anthem:

@watersider said in ARLC scraps anthem:

@Strongee said in ARLC scraps anthem:

@Tiger_Steve said in ARLC scraps anthem:

@gallagher said in ARLC scraps anthem:

@Tiger_Steve said in ARLC scraps anthem:

To me it’s not the use or overuse that’s the issue. It’s that yet again we appease the loud voice. I won’t be watching.
Maybe I could protest about ‘welcome to country’ being rammed down my throat at every opening of an envelope

The event has lost me as a viewer. It’s just divisive bulldust to me.

100% agree and it’s just a pity that these young indigenous players are too naive to realise they are being used as pawns in a game. A game that is creating ill will that does not need to exist

Mate it’s not just indigenous. It’s LGBT , women’s movement , various ethnicities, religious sects . Political parties , anti Vaxers , climate change .etc.
Just by simply asking the question . How come you’re considered racist ,prejudice , homophobe ,climate denier … just because you believe everyone should be included . It just leads to perpetual screaming matches where the info goes straight over everyone’s head. Zero desire for common ground and true reconciliation. Everyone wasn’t thier time in the sun . And because it this , it becomes a war of attrition , where any ground lost or won , however trivial ,is considered a Huge victory or defeat.
Unfortunately the inmates have started to get control of the asylum.

I think that argument is like saying people who want lower levels of migration in Australia are racist or wrong because there are also right wing racist nationalists who make that argument. You have to take arguments and people as they are, not try and group them with others and dismiss them all. Both the left and the right do this sort of generalising and dismissing of arguments too often (as racist or prejudicial on the right, and as socialist PC on the left), this is what gets people upset. We’re not talking about LGBTQI, feminism, ‘various ethnicities’, religious groups, anti-vaxers; we’re talking about the Indigenous protest of the national anthem and they have valid reasons for protesting. The merit of the other protests isn’t something I know about and I don’t think it’s relevant to this protest. Better to avoid generalising.

Also . This isn’t an argument mate . It’s a huge cultural shift that has plenty of smarter people than me extremely worried. People like Sam Harris and Jordan Peterson. And like most things , as you said , a lot of it originated in the US. The lack of intelligent debate , replaced with grotesque accusations that distort any truth . And both those dudes are highly controversial. I don’t agree with everything they say , but the desire for true freedom of speech is 1 of them .
Only through conversation and learning can we ever hope to evolve. This swings both ways. Aboriginals and leftists need to understand , some of these things are important to many people , despite the atrocities that happened to them.
It has been proven beyond a shadow of doubt that it’s extremely rare for anybody to truely care about anyone else outside of Thier existence. You can have a strong view on concepts sure , but I mean actually care. This would be crippling if it was so . To have the empathy to mourn everyone else’s loss.
So how can anyone just assume that because they’ve had a tough go , that people will care . And should care ? It’s not realistic . This is where these movements fall down . They’re missing this fundamental fact . Which is basic empathy is hugely important . But everyone just has the "my stuff is more important than your stuff " idea. And around and around we go .

Either freedom of speech is allowed, and these Indigenous athletes are allowed to protest, or it isn’t and they should sing the anthem. If you don’t like their reasons, they still have a right to protest, that’s the nature of freedom of speech. Whether this is good for the nation or bad isn’t really a factor in this. Whether this is part of a ‘bigger cultural movement’ or not isn’t a reason to stop them protesting.

I knew of Jordan Peterson, I ooked up Sam Harris. I don’t know that Peterson would say Indigenous don’t have a right to protest, I think his whole thing is being able to have freedom of expression, right? But I wish we had fewer Americans in our conversations, and our issues in Australia are complex and interesting enough that we can stick to commentators and opinions from our own country, unless they offer some particular insights on Indigenous Australian concerns?

posted in General Rugby League read more

@Go_You_Good_Things said in ARLC scraps anthem:

@watersider said in ARLC scraps anthem:

@Go_You_Good_Things said in ARLC scraps anthem:

@formerguest said in ARLC scraps anthem:

@Go_You_Good_Things said in ARLC scraps anthem:

@TYGA said in ARLC scraps anthem:

The National Anthem arguments are dumb. It should only be played when two countries face off or a national day of significance ie Anzac Day.

But isn’t this discussion about a certain race not singing the anthem ? So that won’t change if it’s a match of significance or not. They won’t be singing on Anzac day mate.

Yet many aboriginal Australians volunteers served their nation in major wars and disembarked to so often be treated very differently to their service brothers in arms upon returning across our wide land. This occurred in many ways, including segregation (apartheid) and not being able to vote until about half way through our nation’s involvement in the Vietnam war. This is not ancient history, as I am now 54 and as with the above, even first contact with some remote indigenous peoples has occurred during my time.

If you are going to bring up prejudices against the indigenous, then I think it only fair that I bring up the prejudices for the indigenous. If you have the time to read the list, I will find out all the entitlements . . . from 100% indigenous, all the way down to 1/128th part indigenous. I will have to find out everything they are entitled to, because I am unaware of the full list of handouts, because, well, I’m not indigenous.
That’s not racist, is it ?

I don’t think it’s racist, but I think it ignores the many disadvantages that Indigenous people have endured and continue to endure. Maybe that last part is contentious but I think everyone (including the government) has acknowledged significant mistreatment of the past which continues to have ramifications today. I suppose your point would be valid if these policies had somehow created some Indigenous elite class which ruled it over all of us. Unfortunately, the reality is nothing like that.

Watersider . . . if I had the same handouts and entitlements as indigenous folks . . . . I’d have another couple of investment properties. The TAB and pub still wouldn’t recognise me, either. These handouts are racism in its purest form. Giving a clear and distinct advantage to only one particular race. What happened 100 years ago was probably well intentioned by the govt of the time.
How do we apologise for something our generation had absolutely nothing to do with ?
Do we apologise for something that happened when we were 5yrs old ? . . . something that our grandfathers might have lived through ? our great grandfathers ? . . . our great great grandfathers ? . . . and so on.
My folks migrated here in the 50’s and were called wogs. Day and night. I went to school and was called a wog. My lunch was apparently “wog food”, and stunk.
Did we sit and do nothing but ask for handouts ? No, we just got on with it.
That was a major disadvantage that we had to endure . . . but we got jack shit from the government. Generally, we didn’t ask for it because it was stupid to think we deserved it just because we were of a particular race.
Do we feel bad what happened to the native people 220 years ago ? yes, but thats how it was at the time.
Do we feel bad about the “stolen generation” ? firstly, ask why they were “stolen”. If the answer is because mum and dad were alcoholics, or 14 yrs old, or just couldn’t bring up children . . . then we shouldn’t feel too bad. The authorities at the time did what was seen as appropriate at the time.But importantly, it was 70 years ago. You can’t apply the social morality of today against 1950’s Australia.
If “waterside” means that you live by the water . . . tell me how quickly you’d give up your house if an indigenous tribe walked up and said your whole street is “secret women’s business” and needs to be returned to the original owners as compensation for what the first fleet did ? Please tell me.

This is difficult because people want to talk about the history of Australia and the Indigenous people, but don’t have enough interest to read anything or look into it. We’re not talking about 70 years ago when we talk about the Stolen Generation. There are more than 17 000 survivors today:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-15/stolen-generations-study-impact-of-intergenerational-trauma/10118132

I don’t think anyone on the political spectrum would defend the stolen generation policies, as you seem to have done here. I really think you’re not well-informed on those issues and you should look into a little harder. Maybe start with the report which triggered discussion around an apology:

https://www.humanrights.gov.au/sites/default/files/content/pdf/social_justice/bringing_them_home_report.pdf

But our history is littered with this. Take our revered governor Macquarie’s words in 1816:

'“On any occasion of seeing or falling in with the Natives, either in Bodies or Singly, they are to be called upon, by your friendly Native Guides, to surrender themselves to you as Prisoners of War. If they refuse to do so, make the least show of resistance, or attempt to run away from you, you will fire upon and compel them to surrender, breaking and destroying the Spears, Clubs and Waddies of all those you take Prisoners. Such natives as happen to be killed on such occasions, if grown up men, are to be hanged up on Trees in Conspicuous Situations, to Strike the Survivors with the greater terror.”

So progressive and effective in buildings and treatment of convicts but he sanctions here the killing and hanging up of Indigenous people to scare the Indigenous from their land. We have statues for Macquarie, lakes, universities, regions named after him and nothing to commemorate the massacre on 17th April 1816. We haven’t done a good job of either knowing our history or addressing it. It’s not against being proud or patriotic, but if one does feel pride in our country shouldn’t the country’s actual history be of value?

Stories of people forcibly removed from their homes, denied freedom of movement, forced into cheap labour, abused and exploited dominate the Indigenous experience of colonisation. The festering trauma from this isn’t a quik fix, the resentment still lingers and is compounded by the lack of acknowledgement. This isn’t the distant past, these are present issues:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-08-11/andrew-scipione-apologises-to-families-of-bowraville-children/7721492

Separately, and much less importantly, ‘Watersider’ is taken from the ‘Balmain Watersiders’ name. I don’t live near the water. I don’t think Latrell Mitchell is protesting because he wants your house, I think it is about acknowledgement and a desire for better more inclusive policy development that give Indigenous people a more active role and that better address issues around continuing inequality. Your frustration with the ineffectiveness of welfare for Indigenous people is shared by Indigenous people:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/oct/21/noel-pearson-hits-out-at-political-parties-for-welfare-reform-failure

The argument by Indigenous people isn’t for more money. It’s frustration about policy which disempowers and is ineffective and even harmful.

posted in General Rugby League read more

@Strongee said in ARLC scraps anthem:

@Tiger_Steve said in ARLC scraps anthem:

@gallagher said in ARLC scraps anthem:

@Tiger_Steve said in ARLC scraps anthem:

To me it’s not the use or overuse that’s the issue. It’s that yet again we appease the loud voice. I won’t be watching.
Maybe I could protest about ‘welcome to country’ being rammed down my throat at every opening of an envelope

The event has lost me as a viewer. It’s just divisive bulldust to me.

100% agree and it’s just a pity that these young indigenous players are too naive to realise they are being used as pawns in a game. A game that is creating ill will that does not need to exist

Mate it’s not just indigenous. It’s LGBT , women’s movement , various ethnicities, religious sects . Political parties , anti Vaxers , climate change .etc.
Just by simply asking the question . How come you’re considered racist ,prejudice , homophobe ,climate denier … just because you believe everyone should be included . It just leads to perpetual screaming matches where the info goes straight over everyone’s head. Zero desire for common ground and true reconciliation. Everyone wasn’t thier time in the sun . And because it this , it becomes a war of attrition , where any ground lost or won , however trivial ,is considered a Huge victory or defeat.
Unfortunately the inmates have started to get control of the asylum.

I think that argument is like saying people who want lower levels of migration in Australia are racist or wrong because there are also right wing racist nationalists who make that argument. You have to take arguments and people as they are, not try and group them with others and dismiss them all. Both the left and the right do this sort of generalising and dismissing of arguments too often (as racist or prejudicial on the right, and as socialist PC on the left), this is what gets people upset. We’re not talking about LGBTQI, feminism, ‘various ethnicities’, religious groups, anti-vaxers; we’re talking about the Indigenous protest of the national anthem and they have valid reasons for protesting. The merit of the other protests isn’t something I know about and I don’t think it’s relevant to this protest. Better to avoid generalising.

posted in General Rugby League read more

@GNR4LIFE said in ARLC scraps anthem:

My issue with this is that before Colin Kap started taking a knee, none of these protesting Johnny come lately’s had the foresight to think of this themselves. Instead they are riding on Kap’s coattails, and worst of all, trying to make out that the idea is original.

Even if that is true, which the Joe Williams post proves wrong, I don’t think protest has to be original to be valid. If people can’t do anything valid unless it is completely without precedent then there would be no valid actions. We all copy, we’re all influenced by others, unfortunately we’re all too influenced by Americans.

posted in General Rugby League read more

@Go_You_Good_Things said in ARLC scraps anthem:

@formerguest said in ARLC scraps anthem:

@Go_You_Good_Things said in ARLC scraps anthem:

@TYGA said in ARLC scraps anthem:

The National Anthem arguments are dumb. It should only be played when two countries face off or a national day of significance ie Anzac Day.

But isn’t this discussion about a certain race not singing the anthem ? So that won’t change if it’s a match of significance or not. They won’t be singing on Anzac day mate.

Yet many aboriginal Australians volunteers served their nation in major wars and disembarked to so often be treated very differently to their service brothers in arms upon returning across our wide land. This occurred in many ways, including segregation (apartheid) and not being able to vote until about half way through our nation’s involvement in the Vietnam war. This is not ancient history, as I am now 54 and as with the above, even first contact with some remote indigenous peoples has occurred during my time.

If you are going to bring up prejudices against the indigenous, then I think it only fair that I bring up the prejudices for the indigenous. If you have the time to read the list, I will find out all the entitlements . . . from 100% indigenous, all the way down to 1/128th part indigenous. I will have to find out everything they are entitled to, because I am unaware of the full list of handouts, because, well, I’m not indigenous.
That’s not racist, is it ?

I don’t think it’s racist, but I think it ignores the many disadvantages that Indigenous people have endured and continue to endure. Maybe that last part is contentious but I think everyone (including the government) has acknowledged significant mistreatment of the past which continues to have ramifications today. I suppose your point would be valid if these policies had somehow created some Indigenous elite class which ruled it over all of us. Unfortunately, the reality is nothing like that.

posted in General Rugby League read more

@hugh1954 said in ARLC scraps anthem:

Does when a governing body wants to get involved in controlling the majority of people against their wishes. How about being a proud Australian or is that to much to ask these days

You’re allowed to be proud, but does everyone have to be? Isn’t your suggestion that everyone should be proud or silent arguing for the exact sort of censorship you’re supposedly against in arguing against this rising ‘PC’ movement? I’m not really sure what freedoms have been surrendered due to our new socialist PC way of life? I see our society becoming increasingly individualistic and disconnected rather than the supposed new socialist age we apparently inhabit. If the Indigenous all star team decides they don’t want to sing the anthem then let them decide that, it doesn’t imperil your freedoms.

posted in General Rugby League read more

@Russell said in ARLC scraps anthem:

I think it is possibly a case of I’ll take this part of the system because it suits me, I won’t take take that part because it doesn’t.

Why? if it hurts so much, do the indigenous people take part in Australia Day celebrations. They do however choose to have their own flag flying, they choose not to sing the National Anthem but wish to take part in various celebrations with indigenous cultural dances etc.

How many apologies to these “Australians” want? We have said we are sorry, do we have to keep saying it indefinitely. Does not make it right but white Australians also were part of the stolen generation, you do not hear this mentioned very often.

You can’t pick and choose - if we are going to grow as a nation, we have to all make sacrifices - the past is the past, let’s move on as an integrated nation.

New Zealand is the model we should be looking at.

A number of points there:

  1. Some Indigenous people do take part in Australia day activities, others don’t. Best not to view it as a simple one dimensional situation that applies to everyone.

  2. We apologised for stealing their children from them. There’s been no treaty or Indigenous constitutional recognition. Current policies which are applied to Indigenous people rather than developed with them means there is dissatisfaction with the current situation. Indigenous incarceration remains very high, deaths and violence in custody also problematic. I don’t think it’s so much about apologies as much as actual meaningful change. But it isn’t a simple clear solution, so I don’t know that Indigenous people will be satisfied, and I don’t necessarily think that we should expect them to be.

  3. New Zealand has a treaty. New Zealand has a maori political party that has reserved seats in parliament. New Zealand has Maori names for landmarks and places. New Zealand has the maori language in their anthem. Are those who want them to sing the anthem also willing to accept those sort of changes? The uluru statement was recently rejected on the basis that an advisory Indigenous representative body might cause constitutional problems, so we’re not even prepared to give them a representative body, let alone mandated parliamentary representation. But even in New Zealand there are issues that are still not resolved. That is colonisation. I don’t really know why we need everyone to be contented. What is wrong with disagreement and protest? Why are we so sensitive?

posted in General Rugby League read more

Thanks for the conversation people, was just thinking about the rising nationalism around the world on my walk home and wondering why we need to say ‘this is the best country in the world’ to prove our patriotism. So appreciate the opportunity to discuss these issues.