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@formerguest said in Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here:

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@formerguest said in Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here:

You might need a couple of sentences, where a single word still suffices for me.

I assume that word ( you used it before) is greed? Struggling to work out how greed explains low wages in a market where demand vastly outstrips supply. So there are 1000 jobs and 100 candidates and they give it to the greediest? So there are 1000 jobs and 100 candidates and they just say we are going to pay minimum wage, and the 100 greediest take the jobs? Do you realise how a market works?

We have and call it whatever tickles your fancy, but I understand it first hand as a patient and know that our system looks after all permanent residents.

No it doesnt. Full stop. Glad you got looked after as a patient, but the health system runs at a 90% loss and if Australians stopped paying private health insurance tomorrow, you can sing for your supper and scream in agony for your “first hand as a patient”. Please research the diiferences between Australian and US health systems, you may be surprised. The Government is not paying for the health system in Australia.

Once again twisting words and going off on a tangent.

Not at all. You said MANY nations have this system. I cant think of 4. Please enlighten me. I didnt make the claim, you did.

Ditto and you are more than capable of checking for yourself.

Irrelevant to this, apart from being sold short as a nation, especially the ridiculousness of the gas deal lacking basic inflation provisions.

I don’t believe that people like my parents, having already gained the tax benefits on those monies when placing them there, should be able to get more money back through credits than the entire pension payment. I have no issue with using it as an offset, but it simply does not make any sense paying it, let alone more than the actual pension, as the tax advantage was initially given because super is meant to be drawn upon and we are the only nation to pay it.

The nation is not paying it, your parents earned it years ago and forewent the opportunity to earn money on it then and spend it them to look after themselves and save the nation the cost of looking after them when they are old. They should be rewarded for that (as should you) and shouldnt be taxed or penalised twice.

Again you change words to make argument with your imagined topic and the public health system is available to all that choose to use it, which you know, so consider this conversation over and talk rubbish elsewhere with someone else.

rekt

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@GNR4LIFE said in Signing Suggestions & Rumours:

John Grant is probably the most hyped player never to play first grade. Supporters were obsessed with him, and those damn YT highlight packages.

A bit like your obsession with Trump…

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@Cultured_Bogan said in Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here:

And the lemming returns to defend his master’s honour.

I hope you’re not referring to me…

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The stable genius is at it again tweeting
LIBERATE MINNESOTA
LIBERATE MICHIGAN
LIBERATE VIRGINIA
I wasnt aware any foreign country had invaded them.Needless to say some nutjobs armed to the teeth are congregating in some states aparently thousands in Michigan.Many are white supremecists and trump supporters.All 3 of the states have democrat governors and are amongst the states that are NOT lifting the covid-19 restrictions.Needless to say the stable genius has made zero criticism of 2 republican states in Ohio and Utah who also refused to lift restrictions.
Certainly USA should consider itself on a war footing but the enemy is covid-19 and not the states who disagree with trump.Using inflammatory language brings out the worst in people

Also pulled out the old chestnut about the second amendment being under attack. Cos you know, Obama had 8 years to take away people’s guns but didn’t.

He also tweeted how badly Obama/Biden failed cos 17k died under their watch during Ebola. No sense of irony.

Such grubby tactics yet again GNR…Totally unbalanced view once again.

Trump criticised Obama for not stopping people from infected countries coming into the USA.

Ebola was well known to be an incredibly dangerous and infectious disease.

COVID was and is, largely an unknown quantity, but despite that, the US borders are closed.

The world is the victim of a CCP coverup and YOU want to continue on this crusade against Trump? The one leader that stood up to China? The one leader looking to stop the raping and pillaging of our economies, our currencies, our resources, our food supply and our jobs? Oh that’s right, the tax-payer covers your pay cheque…you’ll get paid either way. Your utter disdain for the average citizen is just mind-boggling.

You should be utterly embarrassed and ashamed of yourself.

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@GNR4LIFE said in Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here:

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@GNR4LIFE said in Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here:

I noticed he called Pelosi a weak person this morning, which is ironic as his inability to accept criticism and his constant lashing out at people/media because of it is the biggest sign that he’s a weak person.

Two things can be true at once. Pelosi is a weak person

Is Trump?

Trump has many weaknesses.

I consider Pelosi weak because she does have things she stands for but override them when it is politically expedient, examples being her finally backing AOC’s green new deal and blocking the coronavirus emergency bills repeatedly after it was written by a bipartisan committee.

I would agree with you that if you consider someone who is thin skinned and cant cop criticism to be weak, then Trump is weak by your classification.

I do not consider him weak in the same definition I gave of Pelosi though. I would think that even most of Trumps many detractors would concede he stands by what he believes in.

You might not be a Trump supporter, but you’re definitely an apologist. You’re more than happy to concede he has flaws, but in a half hearted way, maybe to be diplomatic. You don’t seem to have any complaints about anything he does. The finger pointing goes to everyone else.

Mate, we have gone over this a few times. Im not a supporter or an apologist. As Ive said over and over, Im not Pro-Trump, Im Anti-Anti-Trump. I only really stick my nose in when I think someone is saying stuff that I believe to be bullsh… Now I stress I dont think people on these forums are making things up, but parroting poor information.

The reason I appear the way I appear to you, as you stated above, is that I ONLY post when I feel this way. If I agree with Trump criticism, I dont step in every time and say “yes you are right”. Im pretty much agnostic and my biggest beef isnt with Trump or the left but with the lack of integrity in the debate.

I have zero issues with people not liking Trump, Im not a huge fan and the man provides PLENTY of ammunition for people who dont like him, IMO there is no reason to step outside the bounds of fact.

But to get to the point of the post, GNR, clearly you are not a Trump fan and I said, that is fine and understandable. Do you think that one of his faults is that he doesnt stand up for what he thinks?

Just be upfront, instead of the wishy washy “I’m not pro or anti”because that isn’t true. At the least, you seem unaware of the perception you give arguing in his defence at every turn. If you were truly neutral, you wouldn’t be defending him in every scenario. You want to play devils advocate, but only when it’s in his defence. But use a throwaway line like “he has many weaknesses” as if it makes you impartial.

Why.? Do I need to pick a team? Do you need to know if you are with me or against me? When did you become the arbiter of what is true or not in my political beliefs and opinions.

I am not on the pro trump team. I’m not on the Orange man bad team. As I said, when I see something I think is egregiously wrong, I point it out. If you think that makes me look like I’m defending Trump I couldn’t give a rats. It’s pretty infrequent that someone in correctly praise Trump in this forum.

I simply post when I see something egregious posted and in every case I back my opinion up with evidence, examples and usually sources. Your response is “pick a side”. I note you haven’t responded to one of my posts with a rebuttal with sources to back up why I’m wrong. I’d welcome that

You don’t have to pick a team at all, I just don’t believe you are sincere. Your posts don’t resemble that of someone who is impartial when you take the same side on every occasion. But anyway.

Which post are you referring to?

What you believe about me isn’t that much of a concern to me. I have explained why my posts take the same side. I’ve been pretty clear about it. Couldn’t really be bothered repeating myself for your benefit.

Which was I referring to? Take your pick. Are the one claiming my posts are insincere. Grab one of my posts that you think is wrong or insincere and disco it with sources. Don’t just challenge me by asking me to pick a side.

You’re going to have to quote me where I asked you to do that, otherwise that’s the narrative you’ve created.

”Just be upfront, instead of the wishy washy “I’m not pro or anti”because that isn’t true.“

This wasn’t you? This isn’t saying I’m either pro or anti Trump and asking me to be upfront about it?

What I said I was, you are obviously not impartial if you are defending him at every turn. There’s nothing wrong with that, just don’t disguise yourself as Switzerland.

Twisting the truth again GNR…typical and gutless move Comrade.

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I noticed he called Pelosi a weak person this morning, which is ironic as his inability to accept criticism and his constant lashing out at people/media because of it is the biggest sign that he’s a weak person.

Two things can be true at once. Pelosi is a weak person

Is Trump?

Trump has many weaknesses.

I consider Pelosi weak because she does have things she stands for but override them when it is politically expedient, examples being her finally backing AOC’s green new deal and blocking the coronavirus emergency bills repeatedly after it was written by a bipartisan committee.

I would agree with you that if you consider someone who is thin skinned and cant cop criticism to be weak, then Trump is weak by your classification.

I do not consider him weak in the same definition I gave of Pelosi though. I would think that even most of Trumps many detractors would concede he stands by what he believes in.

You might not be a Trump supporter, but you’re definitely an apologist. You’re more than happy to concede he has flaws, but in a half hearted way, maybe to be diplomatic. You don’t seem to have any complaints about anything he does. The finger pointing goes to everyone else.

Mate, we have gone over this a few times. Im not a supporter or an apologist. As Ive said over and over, Im not Pro-Trump, Im Anti-Anti-Trump. I only really stick my nose in when I think someone is saying stuff that I believe to be bullsh… Now I stress I dont think people on these forums are making things up, but parroting poor information.

The reason I appear the way I appear to you, as you stated above, is that I ONLY post when I feel this way. If I agree with Trump criticism, I dont step in every time and say “yes you are right”. Im pretty much agnostic and my biggest beef isnt with Trump or the left but with the lack of integrity in the debate.

I have zero issues with people not liking Trump, Im not a huge fan and the man provides PLENTY of ammunition for people who dont like him, IMO there is no reason to step outside the bounds of fact.

But to get to the point of the post, GNR, clearly you are not a Trump fan and I said, that is fine and understandable. Do you think that one of his faults is that he doesnt stand up for what he thinks?

Just be upfront, instead of the wishy washy “I’m not pro or anti”because that isn’t true. At the least, you seem unaware of the perception you give arguing in his defence at every turn. If you were truly neutral, you wouldn’t be defending him in every scenario. You want to play devils advocate, but only when it’s in his defence. But use a throwaway line like “he has many weaknesses” as if it makes you impartial.

@Tiger5150 is also not laser focussed on everything Pelosi says and doesn’t come on here whenever he sees something negative about her to tell half-truths and slander her.

You aren’t credible GNR…

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"Coronavirus in New York came mainly from Europe, studies show.

New research indicates that the coronavirus began to circulate in the New York area by mid-February, weeks before the first confirmed case, and that it was brought to the region mainly by travelers from Europe, not Asia.

“The majority is clearly European,” said Harm van Bakel, a geneticist at Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai, who co-wrote a study awaiting peer review.

A separate team at N.Y.U. Grossman School of Medicine came to strikingly similar conclusions, despite studying a different group of cases. Both teams analyzed genomes from coronaviruses taken from New Yorkers starting in mid-March."

I doubt anyone on earth could have stopped this.

I agree, especially on the stopping part, but mitigation and lack thereof when governments have been supplied plenty of information is the big problem for me. Oddly enough, over here, we got a lot of our cases from the US and my sister was telling me that we needed to close down travel from there well more than a month ago.

We all know about the the failures in the US, even if some still won’t admit of the culprit, but their army was already predicting and beginning preparations for like current figures ten weeks ago at the start of February, even before the spreading of the virus as you referred to above. Negligent is a kind way to describe their nation’s administration and commander in chief’s response.

Also, let’s not forget the UK were reported and certainly seemed to be going for the herd immunity route, until of course they realised it was an untenable position and they are now also paying the price, but waiting just another day or two and it would have been catastrophic.

He stopped all flights from China in January. Wake up. I keep telling you to stay off the fake news channels.

The virus had made it outside China by that point. He needed to shut down everything.

When he stopped the flights from China, the New York Times, the Washington Post, Biden msnbc, abc etc called Trump a racist and a xenophobe and everything else under the sun. Nyt said that there was no problem taking a visit to China and that the ban would do nothing anyway . New York governor Cuomo was saying in early March that newyorkers should go about their daily lives as normal as ny would be fine and that if there was an outbreak of any kind their hospitals could easily cope. That same governor today was thanking the president for his great help during this crisis. As was Governor Newsome from California.

No doubt some mistakes were made either because of human error or for people acting on false data sent out by China. The whole circumstances will be scrutinised when the dust settles. Blaming Mr Trump for everything is totally unfair. Most people in the states know this, that’s why his approval numbers are so high.

China and the WHO will have a lot to answer for down the track

Cheers

I like how, even if true, you think that somehow absolves Trump. He still said that it was one person coming in from China, he still said they had 15 cases that would soon be down to zero, he still called the virus a democratic hoax.

People with half a clue are so counter-productive to political debates…might be time to sit on the bench for a while GNR. You’ve been parroting this same line for weeks…we get it…you’ve got nothing else to add. Perhaps time to stop “contributing”.

Still shocking to me you haven’t gone after the CCP…or would that have you expelled from the party Comrade?

Trump was referring to the Democrats criticism of his handling of the virus…not the virus itself. The downplaying of the virus was done all over the world based on poor information out of China. Did you know the US has still not been able to obtain the original virus for testing? That’s right…China is WITHHOLDING information that could actually help us determine how to fight this thing. Tell the full story…you’re either brainwashed or a lackey tasked with distributing leftist propaganda. Wake up to yourself.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-coronavirus-rally-remark/

"What’s True
During a Feb. 28, 2020, campaign rally in South Carolina, President Donald Trump likened the Democrats’ criticism of his administration’s response to the new coronavirus outbreak to their efforts to impeach him, saying “this is their new hoax.” During the speech he also seemed to downplay the severity of the outbreak, comparing it to the common flu.

What’s False
Despite creating some confusion with his remarks, Trump did not call the coronavirus itself a hoax."

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@GNR4LIFE said in Ch 9 hammers NRL:

I’d rather see the comp suspended till 2021, then some stupid little modified Mickey Mouse season cos the NRL are too skint to scrap 2020.

Typical comment…it’s stupid and Mickey Mouse if you don’t agree with it.

I’d rather watch some games this season, whatever the format.

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Donald Trump said that without his intervention 2.2 million would be dead in the United States. It also be a big mistake if they open America back up before easter.

If he gets re-elected after his performance here, America needs to have a good hard look at themselves.

Biden should walk it in.

When Trump closed the borders to flights from China, Biden announced that it was racist and he wouldnt have done it. Trump will have this on replay continually.

The far left MSM like CNN and MSNBC alled it the “Wuhan Virus” or “Chinese Virus” for months and then called Trump a racist when he called it the Chinese virus. Classic fake news smears by the low IQ, low info lefties.

I suppose you have evidence of this.

Check mate

I see, so that video is just mocking the outrage of Trump calling it the Chinese virus. I’m quite aware of that. What I was hoping you’d have evidence of is the MSM calling it a Chinese virus before Trump did. Your video doesn’t tell me anything.

Clearly you didnt watch it. From the 7 minute mark theres clip after clip of them saying its from China.

Thanks for demonstrating that even spoon feed the evidence you were too lazy to look for, you chose to bury your head in the sand. Theres no hope for some.

Different context. If the outbreak was only limited to China and not anywhere else, if it was something that only they were dealing with at the time, then it’s a non story. Once the virus broke out and became a world wide pandemic,it was no longer confined to China. Trump’s motivation was to appoint blame. The media’s was to report on where the virus was.

Wrong, The first reported case outside of China was on the 20th January, well within the time frame of the propaganda arm of the Democrats calling it “Chinese”

You’ve got nowhere to go. You can ‘context’ and ‘nuance’ as much as you like, but you are just wrong and thats a fact.

Unless you wanna give exact dates of when they were using the term, it’s hearsay

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https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

First overseas case reported 10 days after Chinese first case. 20th Jan

Cant wait to see how you are going to ‘double down’ on this. So delicious.

I’d be the last one to do GNR’s work for him, and I have no big problem with Trump calling it the Chinese Virus (he doesnt anymore), but I think if you are using that Jim ACosta tweet as your “gotcha” you are grasping. Firstly it is so early in the spread its ridiculous, secondly and more importantly, he is reporting on the Chinese Governments response to the Wuhan virus, hardly surprising in that context.

That joke, Acosta’s tweet is the easiest to find and i aint spending more then 10 seconds doing a lefties research. I also gave him 4 links to other evidence if he could have been bothered to read them. There is a plethora of evidence out there if one is willing to get their head out of the sand.

Your first point about the timing is completely irrelevant. if they are declaring it racist today it was racist then regardless of weathe it was only a month into the outbreak and by the time of this tweet the virus had already spread to the US and GNR asked for evidence of the timeline which it clearly shows. Your second point just like your first, if its declared racist now, ironically by the author of that tweet, regardless of who he is tweeting about it was racist then. He didnt call it the Covid-19 virus which apparently is the only thing lefties have told the world we are allowed to call it now, he called it the racist term Wuhan virus.

If lefties didn’t have double standards they’d have no standards at all.

If you feel like you’re banging your head against a wall, I can relate. It’s like when you remind a Trump supporter of when he said 15 cases would soon be down to zero or the virus would go away like a miracle. If you think a Trump supporter was told a month ago there’d be estimates in the range of 100 to 240 thousand deaths, do you think they’d have believed it? We know Donald wouldn’t have. Pretty sure he’d have called it fake news. I remember posting a video just as this thing was ramping up of a women being interviewed at a rally, claiming the virus was a hoax created by the Democrats to make Trump look bad. Even the deaths were a hoax, because she thought the democrats were tha evil. That is why red caps are mocked. These are the people you stand next to. I know I shake my head at the extreme left. I’d like to think any Trump supporter with half a brain would also own the lunatics on their side as well.

You seem to focus much of your energy on what Trump said in the early stages. Might I remind you what the whole world was saying based on information given to us from China back then?

The fact is, China lied to the WHO, USA, Australia and everyone else - our mistake was believing them.

You haven’t so much as uttered a word against the CCP and their blatant disregard for the truth or human life. The suggestion by a number of experts is they are still doing it.

I’m utterly stunned to constantly read your continuous criticism of Trump, yet Xi’s corruption of the WHO, arresting doctors and his actions (or inaction) at the outset are not even in the discussion.

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IVe posted a video where he says he would like that, that would be a good thing but Im going to leave it up to his experts…out of his own mouth.

And @GNR4LIFE stated if restrictions are lifted by then, not that they would be?

Ok so you basically prove my point. Where does that narrative come from? Why Easter?

Because Trump raised the possibility of Easter? Are you saying he didn’t raise that possibility?

Actually yes, thats EXACTLY what Im saying. Have you listened to his speech? He never said it was a possiblility, he said “wouldnt it be great? Thats what Im hoping for but the health of citizens is the highest priority and I will listen to the experts”

Are YOU saying GNR wouldnt have raised Easter without Trump?

To be honest I couldnt really care tbh…Im happy to let it go.

By saying he hoped he could have it over by Easter raised that possibility, @GNR4LIFE was responding that possibility.

I think in 99% of arguments between you and @GNR4LIFE I would be on your side, but this is the 1%, I think you have it wrong on this one mate!

May I take a contrarian view?

The post that @Tiger5150 was basing his view on was:

Tiger5150: Except that Trump never said it would be lifted by Easter, but dont let that get in the way of a narrative.

GNR4LIFE: That’s his plan. Because “the country wants to get back to work”. He also claimed they had it under control and 15 cases would soon be down to zero. Those are facts, not narrative

Let’s face it. GNR has the gun locked and loaded when it comes to Trump. He’s always ready to pull the trigger and he was doing just that on this occasion. Paraphrasing, Trump said that is the “goal” and we are meeting with a lot of people “to see if it can be done”. He never said he “planned” to ease restrictions by Easter. Ultimately, I heard it as we will lift restrictions if it’s safe to do so. GNR heard it as this idiot is actually considering lifting restrictions by Easter in the midst of the crisis and if he does infections will skyrocket. Same words, different meaning.

He has a total bias against the man based on his own political ideology and; it doesn’t help that Trump is polarising at the best of times, but GNR jumps on anything he can to convince people that Trump is an idiot. Fair enough and that’s his prerogative, but his viewpoint is predictable and usually ends up in a fierce argument with anyone that tries to correct him or argue a different viewpoint.

GNR is right or you’re an idiot…take your pick. In essence, no intellectual respect for the other party.

I’m just unsure how people can think that one man can be 100% wrong, 100% of the time if they aren’t blinded by their own bias.

I’m probably wrong, but I’m sure I’m about to get told that shortly…I now await my pizzling…

This whole thing is pedantic. Tiger5150 was trying to argue semantics by arguing that him saying “wouldn’t that be great” wasn’t an indiciation that the country could be up and running by Easter

GNR, I would suggest that you are the one using semantics when you say “I never said that Trump said that” but also suggest that the US are going to reopen at Easter. OF COURSE you are referencing Trump. The reason I was trying to argue that Trump saying “wouldn’t that be nice?” is not an indication that the country could be up and running by Easter is BECAUSE IT ISNT. It is not an indication that he is going to re-open by Easter. Especially when in the same sentence he says “We will beat this but it is going to take some time…I will be listening to the experts”. NONE of that says we will be opening at Easter.

Pretty much everytime Trump opens his mouth its a Rorschach Test.

My intitial post was only addressing that. I didn’t call Trump an idiot, or anything else. I made one prediction based on a timeline he’s on record as working towards and said it would be a big mistake. And somehow it’s carried on for 2 pages. Not only what’s reported in MSM is fake news, now even repeating back what came out of his own mouth is stuff that gets you labeled as bias.

It all comes down to how you want to interpret it. I see him as someone who sees the economy as the be all end all. Even his supporters have come out and claimed they would be prepared to sacrifice the elderly for the sake of the economy. And no, Donald didn’t say that, before you accuse me of twisting things. But I believe in his mind, if people die for the sake of the economy, so be it. Because the economy is his baby. It’s what he’s been patting himself on the back about for 3 years. If that goes, so goes his number 1 boast. And I’m sure you’ll disagree with everything I have said, and that’s fine. But just know, my opinion is based on what I see of him myself, not what CNN (which I don’t watch) tells me.

I wont disagree with everything you said and as you say, its your opinion. I actually agree with some of it.

This will seem shocking I guess but Trump as President should be thinking of the economy and how quickly he can open the doors again. The economic downturn will impact many more than the virus will and for a very long time. Its his job to minimise this damage as well as save as many lives as he can.

At some stage the consideration of this crisis will have to revert back to the economy. There are two considerations…the possibility of lives lost, and possibility of killing the economy. Right now, obviously and correctly the balance is in favour of addressing the possibility of lives lost, but at some stage, the balance will need to tip back the other way. I dont know what that point is.

Raises an interesting point (IMO). What is the number of lives lost that is worth reopening the economy? 1? 1000? Obviously even 1 life lost is a tragedy for that person and their loved ones but influenza kills 4500 people every year in Australia and we dont shut down the economy for it. I am NOT suggesting this is like the flu or should be treated the same way, its not and we are doing the right thing, but IMO at some stage in the future, the economy switch will be required to be switched back on and lives will still be lost. Im glad Im not making that decision.

Of course it will, but probably not the best time to talk about it while people are suffering. He’s the only world leader whose even mentioned the economy. The rest are only worried about containing the virus.

And just like that, the biggest sufferer of TDS on this forum revealed their astonishing bias for all to see. Bravo

Good, glad that”s out of your system.

Just 4 and a half years to get the TDS out of yours.

If you say so

Weak

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IVe posted a video where he says he would like that, that would be a good thing but Im going to leave it up to his experts…out of his own mouth.

And @GNR4LIFE stated if restrictions are lifted by then, not that they would be?

Ok so you basically prove my point. Where does that narrative come from? Why Easter?

Because Trump raised the possibility of Easter? Are you saying he didn’t raise that possibility?

Actually yes, thats EXACTLY what Im saying. Have you listened to his speech? He never said it was a possiblility, he said “wouldnt it be great? Thats what Im hoping for but the health of citizens is the highest priority and I will listen to the experts”

Are YOU saying GNR wouldnt have raised Easter without Trump?

To be honest I couldnt really care tbh…Im happy to let it go.

By saying he hoped he could have it over by Easter raised that possibility, @GNR4LIFE was responding that possibility.

I think in 99% of arguments between you and @GNR4LIFE I would be on your side, but this is the 1%, I think you have it wrong on this one mate!

May I take a contrarian view?

The post that @Tiger5150 was basing his view on was:

Tiger5150: Except that Trump never said it would be lifted by Easter, but dont let that get in the way of a narrative.

GNR4LIFE: That’s his plan. Because “the country wants to get back to work”. He also claimed they had it under control and 15 cases would soon be down to zero. Those are facts, not narrative

Let’s face it. GNR has the gun locked and loaded when it comes to Trump. He’s always ready to pull the trigger and he was doing just that on this occasion. Paraphrasing, Trump said that is the “goal” and we are meeting with a lot of people “to see if it can be done”. He never said he “planned” to ease restrictions by Easter. Ultimately, I heard it as we will lift restrictions if it’s safe to do so. GNR heard it as this idiot is actually considering lifting restrictions by Easter in the midst of the crisis and if he does infections will skyrocket. Same words, different meaning.

He has a total bias against the man based on his own political ideology and; it doesn’t help that Trump is polarising at the best of times, but GNR jumps on anything he can to convince people that Trump is an idiot. Fair enough and that’s his prerogative, but his viewpoint is predictable and usually ends up in a fierce argument with anyone that tries to correct him or argue a different viewpoint.

GNR is right or you’re an idiot…take your pick. In essence, no intellectual respect for the other party.

I’m just unsure how people can think that one man can be 100% wrong, 100% of the time if they aren’t blinded by their own bias.

I’m probably wrong, but I’m sure I’m about to get told that shortly…I now await my pizzling…

This whole thing is pedantic. Tiger5150 was trying to argue semantics by arguing that him saying “wouldn’t that be great” wasn’t an indiciation that the country could be up and running by Easter

GNR, I would suggest that you are the one using semantics when you say “I never said that Trump said that” but also suggest that the US are going to reopen at Easter. OF COURSE you are referencing Trump. The reason I was trying to argue that Trump saying “wouldn’t that be nice?” is not an indication that the country could be up and running by Easter is BECAUSE IT ISNT. It is not an indication that he is going to re-open by Easter. Especially when in the same sentence he says “We will beat this but it is going to take some time…I will be listening to the experts”. NONE of that says we will be opening at Easter.

Pretty much everytime Trump opens his mouth its a Rorschach Test.

My intitial post was only addressing that. I didn’t call Trump an idiot, or anything else. I made one prediction based on a timeline he’s on record as working towards and said it would be a big mistake. And somehow it’s carried on for 2 pages. Not only what’s reported in MSM is fake news, now even repeating back what came out of his own mouth is stuff that gets you labeled as bias.

It all comes down to how you want to interpret it. I see him as someone who sees the economy as the be all end all. Even his supporters have come out and claimed they would be prepared to sacrifice the elderly for the sake of the economy. And no, Donald didn’t say that, before you accuse me of twisting things. But I believe in his mind, if people die for the sake of the economy, so be it. Because the economy is his baby. It’s what he’s been patting himself on the back about for 3 years. If that goes, so goes his number 1 boast. And I’m sure you’ll disagree with everything I have said, and that’s fine. But just know, my opinion is based on what I see of him myself, not what CNN (which I don’t watch) tells me.

I wont disagree with everything you said and as you say, its your opinion. I actually agree with some of it.

This will seem shocking I guess but Trump as President should be thinking of the economy and how quickly he can open the doors again. The economic downturn will impact many more than the virus will and for a very long time. Its his job to minimise this damage as well as save as many lives as he can.

At some stage the consideration of this crisis will have to revert back to the economy. There are two considerations…the possibility of lives lost, and possibility of killing the economy. Right now, obviously and correctly the balance is in favour of addressing the possibility of lives lost, but at some stage, the balance will need to tip back the other way. I dont know what that point is.

Raises an interesting point (IMO). What is the number of lives lost that is worth reopening the economy? 1? 1000? Obviously even 1 life lost is a tragedy for that person and their loved ones but influenza kills 4500 people every year in Australia and we dont shut down the economy for it. I am NOT suggesting this is like the flu or should be treated the same way, its not and we are doing the right thing, but IMO at some stage in the future, the economy switch will be required to be switched back on and lives will still be lost. Im glad Im not making that decision.

Of course it will, but probably not the best time to talk about it while people are suffering. He’s the only world leader whose even mentioned the economy. The rest are only worried about containing the virus.

I don’t think that is the case. As WT previously linked, Bolsonaro has been vocal on it. Even Scomo has mentioned it in past briefs.

All leaders that haven’t openly mentioned it would be still privately considering their economies in their decisions.

It’s just that Trump is brash about it which is why it sticks out. Probably a power display for China to at least feign the impression that the US will not kneecap it’s economy to treat COVID-19. They will inevitably when the population are calling for it. They are armed to the teeth and have a natural sense of distrust for authority.

Everything he does is a power display. I have to say, as someone who, self admittedly doesn’t really engage in Aussie politics and the personalities, I’ve been impressed by Morrison and the way he’s handled things. It’s nice to watch a leader whose primary concern isn’t his self image and promoting conspiracy theories

Cue Col

Will we have a new Liberal voter amongst us GNR?

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IVe posted a video where he says he would like that, that would be a good thing but Im going to leave it up to his experts…out of his own mouth.

And @GNR4LIFE stated if restrictions are lifted by then, not that they would be?

Ok so you basically prove my point. Where does that narrative come from? Why Easter?

Because Trump raised the possibility of Easter? Are you saying he didn’t raise that possibility?

Actually yes, thats EXACTLY what Im saying. Have you listened to his speech? He never said it was a possiblility, he said “wouldnt it be great? Thats what Im hoping for but the health of citizens is the highest priority and I will listen to the experts”

Are YOU saying GNR wouldnt have raised Easter without Trump?

To be honest I couldnt really care tbh…Im happy to let it go.

By saying he hoped he could have it over by Easter raised that possibility, @GNR4LIFE was responding that possibility.

I think in 99% of arguments between you and @GNR4LIFE I would be on your side, but this is the 1%, I think you have it wrong on this one mate!

May I take a contrarian view?

The post that @Tiger5150 was basing his view on was:

Tiger5150: Except that Trump never said it would be lifted by Easter, but dont let that get in the way of a narrative.

GNR4LIFE: That’s his plan. Because “the country wants to get back to work”. He also claimed they had it under control and 15 cases would soon be down to zero. Those are facts, not narrative

Let’s face it. GNR has the gun locked and loaded when it comes to Trump. He’s always ready to pull the trigger and he was doing just that on this occasion. Paraphrasing, Trump said that is the “goal” and we are meeting with a lot of people “to see if it can be done”. He never said he “planned” to ease restrictions by Easter. Ultimately, I heard it as we will lift restrictions if it’s safe to do so. GNR heard it as this idiot is actually considering lifting restrictions by Easter in the midst of the crisis and if he does infections will skyrocket. Same words, different meaning.

He has a total bias against the man based on his own political ideology and; it doesn’t help that Trump is polarising at the best of times, but GNR jumps on anything he can to convince people that Trump is an idiot. Fair enough and that’s his prerogative, but his viewpoint is predictable and usually ends up in a fierce argument with anyone that tries to correct him or argue a different viewpoint.

GNR is right or you’re an idiot…take your pick. In essence, no intellectual respect for the other party.

I’m just unsure how people can think that one man can be 100% wrong, 100% of the time if they aren’t blinded by their own bias.

I’m probably wrong, but I’m sure I’m about to get told that shortly…I now await my pizzling…

This whole thing is pedantic. Tiger5150 was trying to argue semantics by arguing that him saying “wouldn’t that be great” wasn’t an indiciation that the country could be up and running by Easter

GNR, I would suggest that you are the one using semantics when you say “I never said that Trump said that” but also suggest that the US are going to reopen at Easter. OF COURSE you are referencing Trump. The reason I was trying to argue that Trump saying “wouldn’t that be nice?” is not an indication that the country could be up and running by Easter is BECAUSE IT ISNT. It is not an indication that he is going to re-open by Easter. Especially when in the same sentence he says “We will beat this but it is going to take some time…I will be listening to the experts”. NONE of that says we will be opening at Easter.

Pretty much everytime Trump opens his mouth its a Rorschach Test.

My intitial post was only addressing that. I didn’t call Trump an idiot, or anything else. I made one prediction based on a timeline he’s on record as working towards and said it would be a big mistake. And somehow it’s carried on for 2 pages. Not only what’s reported in MSM is fake news, now even repeating back what came out of his own mouth is stuff that gets you labeled as bias.

It all comes down to how you want to interpret it. I see him as someone who sees the economy as the be all end all. Even his supporters have come out and claimed they would be prepared to sacrifice the elderly for the sake of the economy. And no, Donald didn’t say that, before you accuse me of twisting things. But I believe in his mind, if people die for the sake of the economy, so be it. Because the economy is his baby. It’s what he’s been patting himself on the back about for 3 years. If that goes, so goes his number 1 boast. And I’m sure you’ll disagree with everything I have said, and that’s fine. But just know, my opinion is based on what I see of him myself, not what CNN (which I don’t watch) tells me.

I wont disagree with everything you said and as you say, its your opinion. I actually agree with some of it.

This will seem shocking I guess but Trump as President should be thinking of the economy and how quickly he can open the doors again. The economic downturn will impact many more than the virus will and for a very long time. Its his job to minimise this damage as well as save as many lives as he can.

At some stage the consideration of this crisis will have to revert back to the economy. There are two considerations…the possibility of lives lost, and possibility of killing the economy. Right now, obviously and correctly the balance is in favour of addressing the possibility of lives lost, but at some stage, the balance will need to tip back the other way. I dont know what that point is.

Raises an interesting point (IMO). What is the number of lives lost that is worth reopening the economy? 1? 1000? Obviously even 1 life lost is a tragedy for that person and their loved ones but influenza kills 4500 people every year in Australia and we dont shut down the economy for it. I am NOT suggesting this is like the flu or should be treated the same way, its not and we are doing the right thing, but IMO at some stage in the future, the economy switch will be required to be switched back on and lives will still be lost. Im glad Im not making that decision.

Of course it will, but probably not the best time to talk about it while people are suffering. He’s the only world leader whose even mentioned the economy. The rest are only worried about containing the virus.

Scomo just had a whole press conference about the economy…

Has he bragged about the ratings though?

Bit of a swerve from your original claim…smooth move 😂

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IVe posted a video where he says he would like that, that would be a good thing but Im going to leave it up to his experts…out of his own mouth.

And @GNR4LIFE stated if restrictions are lifted by then, not that they would be?

Ok so you basically prove my point. Where does that narrative come from? Why Easter?

Because Trump raised the possibility of Easter? Are you saying he didn’t raise that possibility?

Actually yes, thats EXACTLY what Im saying. Have you listened to his speech? He never said it was a possiblility, he said “wouldnt it be great? Thats what Im hoping for but the health of citizens is the highest priority and I will listen to the experts”

Are YOU saying GNR wouldnt have raised Easter without Trump?

To be honest I couldnt really care tbh…Im happy to let it go.

By saying he hoped he could have it over by Easter raised that possibility, @GNR4LIFE was responding that possibility.

I think in 99% of arguments between you and @GNR4LIFE I would be on your side, but this is the 1%, I think you have it wrong on this one mate!

May I take a contrarian view?

The post that @Tiger5150 was basing his view on was:

Tiger5150: Except that Trump never said it would be lifted by Easter, but dont let that get in the way of a narrative.

GNR4LIFE: That’s his plan. Because “the country wants to get back to work”. He also claimed they had it under control and 15 cases would soon be down to zero. Those are facts, not narrative

Let’s face it. GNR has the gun locked and loaded when it comes to Trump. He’s always ready to pull the trigger and he was doing just that on this occasion. Paraphrasing, Trump said that is the “goal” and we are meeting with a lot of people “to see if it can be done”. He never said he “planned” to ease restrictions by Easter. Ultimately, I heard it as we will lift restrictions if it’s safe to do so. GNR heard it as this idiot is actually considering lifting restrictions by Easter in the midst of the crisis and if he does infections will skyrocket. Same words, different meaning.

He has a total bias against the man based on his own political ideology and; it doesn’t help that Trump is polarising at the best of times, but GNR jumps on anything he can to convince people that Trump is an idiot. Fair enough and that’s his prerogative, but his viewpoint is predictable and usually ends up in a fierce argument with anyone that tries to correct him or argue a different viewpoint.

GNR is right or you’re an idiot…take your pick. In essence, no intellectual respect for the other party.

I’m just unsure how people can think that one man can be 100% wrong, 100% of the time if they aren’t blinded by their own bias.

I’m probably wrong, but I’m sure I’m about to get told that shortly…I now await my pizzling…

This whole thing is pedantic. Tiger5150 was trying to argue semantics by arguing that him saying “wouldn’t that be great” wasn’t an indiciation that the country could be up and running by Easter

GNR, I would suggest that you are the one using semantics when you say “I never said that Trump said that” but also suggest that the US are going to reopen at Easter. OF COURSE you are referencing Trump. The reason I was trying to argue that Trump saying “wouldn’t that be nice?” is not an indication that the country could be up and running by Easter is BECAUSE IT ISNT. It is not an indication that he is going to re-open by Easter. Especially when in the same sentence he says “We will beat this but it is going to take some time…I will be listening to the experts”. NONE of that says we will be opening at Easter.

Pretty much everytime Trump opens his mouth its a Rorschach Test.

My intitial post was only addressing that. I didn’t call Trump an idiot, or anything else. I made one prediction based on a timeline he’s on record as working towards and said it would be a big mistake. And somehow it’s carried on for 2 pages. Not only what’s reported in MSM is fake news, now even repeating back what came out of his own mouth is stuff that gets you labeled as bias.

It all comes down to how you want to interpret it. I see him as someone who sees the economy as the be all end all. Even his supporters have come out and claimed they would be prepared to sacrifice the elderly for the sake of the economy. And no, Donald didn’t say that, before you accuse me of twisting things. But I believe in his mind, if people die for the sake of the economy, so be it. Because the economy is his baby. It’s what he’s been patting himself on the back about for 3 years. If that goes, so goes his number 1 boast. And I’m sure you’ll disagree with everything I have said, and that’s fine. But just know, my opinion is based on what I see of him myself, not what CNN (which I don’t watch) tells me.

I wont disagree with everything you said and as you say, its your opinion. I actually agree with some of it.

This will seem shocking I guess but Trump as President should be thinking of the economy and how quickly he can open the doors again. The economic downturn will impact many more than the virus will and for a very long time. Its his job to minimise this damage as well as save as many lives as he can.

At some stage the consideration of this crisis will have to revert back to the economy. There are two considerations…the possibility of lives lost, and possibility of killing the economy. Right now, obviously and correctly the balance is in favour of addressing the possibility of lives lost, but at some stage, the balance will need to tip back the other way. I dont know what that point is.

Raises an interesting point (IMO). What is the number of lives lost that is worth reopening the economy? 1? 1000? Obviously even 1 life lost is a tragedy for that person and their loved ones but influenza kills 4500 people every year in Australia and we dont shut down the economy for it. I am NOT suggesting this is like the flu or should be treated the same way, its not and we are doing the right thing, but IMO at some stage in the future, the economy switch will be required to be switched back on and lives will still be lost. Im glad Im not making that decision.

Of course it will, but probably not the best time to talk about it while people are suffering. He’s the only world leader whose even mentioned the economy. The rest are only worried about containing the virus.

Scomo just had a whole press conference about the economy…

Has he bragged about the ratings though?

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IVe posted a video where he says he would like that, that would be a good thing but Im going to leave it up to his experts…out of his own mouth.

And @GNR4LIFE stated if restrictions are lifted by then, not that they would be?

Ok so you basically prove my point. Where does that narrative come from? Why Easter?

Because Trump raised the possibility of Easter? Are you saying he didn’t raise that possibility?

Actually yes, thats EXACTLY what Im saying. Have you listened to his speech? He never said it was a possiblility, he said “wouldnt it be great? Thats what Im hoping for but the health of citizens is the highest priority and I will listen to the experts”

Are YOU saying GNR wouldnt have raised Easter without Trump?

To be honest I couldnt really care tbh…Im happy to let it go.

By saying he hoped he could have it over by Easter raised that possibility, @GNR4LIFE was responding that possibility.

I think in 99% of arguments between you and @GNR4LIFE I would be on your side, but this is the 1%, I think you have it wrong on this one mate!

May I take a contrarian view?

The post that @Tiger5150 was basing his view on was:

Tiger5150: Except that Trump never said it would be lifted by Easter, but dont let that get in the way of a narrative.

GNR4LIFE: That’s his plan. Because “the country wants to get back to work”. He also claimed they had it under control and 15 cases would soon be down to zero. Those are facts, not narrative

Let’s face it. GNR has the gun locked and loaded when it comes to Trump. He’s always ready to pull the trigger and he was doing just that on this occasion. Paraphrasing, Trump said that is the “goal” and we are meeting with a lot of people “to see if it can be done”. He never said he “planned” to ease restrictions by Easter. Ultimately, I heard it as we will lift restrictions if it’s safe to do so. GNR heard it as this idiot is actually considering lifting restrictions by Easter in the midst of the crisis and if he does infections will skyrocket. Same words, different meaning.

He has a total bias against the man based on his own political ideology and; it doesn’t help that Trump is polarising at the best of times, but GNR jumps on anything he can to convince people that Trump is an idiot. Fair enough and that’s his prerogative, but his viewpoint is predictable and usually ends up in a fierce argument with anyone that tries to correct him or argue a different viewpoint.

GNR is right or you’re an idiot…take your pick. In essence, no intellectual respect for the other party.

I’m just unsure how people can think that one man can be 100% wrong, 100% of the time if they aren’t blinded by their own bias.

I’m probably wrong, but I’m sure I’m about to get told that shortly…I now await my pizzling…

This whole thing is pedantic. Tiger5150 was trying to argue semantics by arguing that him saying “wouldn’t that be great” wasn’t an indiciation that the country could be up and running by Easter

GNR, I would suggest that you are the one using semantics when you say “I never said that Trump said that” but also suggest that the US are going to reopen at Easter. OF COURSE you are referencing Trump. The reason I was trying to argue that Trump saying “wouldn’t that be nice?” is not an indication that the country could be up and running by Easter is BECAUSE IT ISNT. It is not an indication that he is going to re-open by Easter. Especially when in the same sentence he says “We will beat this but it is going to take some time…I will be listening to the experts”. NONE of that says we will be opening at Easter.

Pretty much everytime Trump opens his mouth its a Rorschach Test.

My intitial post was only addressing that. I didn’t call Trump an idiot, or anything else. I made one prediction based on a timeline he’s on record as working towards and said it would be a big mistake. And somehow it’s carried on for 2 pages. Not only what’s reported in MSM is fake news, now even repeating back what came out of his own mouth is stuff that gets you labeled as bias.

It all comes down to how you want to interpret it. I see him as someone who sees the economy as the be all end all. Even his supporters have come out and claimed they would be prepared to sacrifice the elderly for the sake of the economy. And no, Donald didn’t say that, before you accuse me of twisting things. But I believe in his mind, if people die for the sake of the economy, so be it. Because the economy is his baby. It’s what he’s been patting himself on the back about for 3 years. If that goes, so goes his number 1 boast. And I’m sure you’ll disagree with everything I have said, and that’s fine. But just know, my opinion is based on what I see of him myself, not what CNN (which I don’t watch) tells me.

I wont disagree with everything you said and as you say, its your opinion. I actually agree with some of it.

This will seem shocking I guess but Trump as President should be thinking of the economy and how quickly he can open the doors again. The economic downturn will impact many more than the virus will and for a very long time. Its his job to minimise this damage as well as save as many lives as he can.

At some stage the consideration of this crisis will have to revert back to the economy. There are two considerations…the possibility of lives lost, and possibility of killing the economy. Right now, obviously and correctly the balance is in favour of addressing the possibility of lives lost, but at some stage, the balance will need to tip back the other way. I dont know what that point is.

Raises an interesting point (IMO). What is the number of lives lost that is worth reopening the economy? 1? 1000? Obviously even 1 life lost is a tragedy for that person and their loved ones but influenza kills 4500 people every year in Australia and we dont shut down the economy for it. I am NOT suggesting this is like the flu or should be treated the same way, its not and we are doing the right thing, but IMO at some stage in the future, the economy switch will be required to be switched back on and lives will still be lost. Im glad Im not making that decision.

Of course it will, but probably not the best time to talk about it while people are suffering. He’s the only world leader whose even mentioned the economy. The rest are only worried about containing the virus.

Trump is the ONLY world leader to mention the economy? Really?

Brazil: http://www.rfi.fr/en/wires/20200330-brazil-economy-cant-stop-coronavirus-bolsonaro

G20: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-27/g20-leaders-global-economy-fight-coronavirus/12091530

Australia: https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2020/mar/30/coronavirus-update-live-australia-news-nsw-qld-victoria-scott-morrison-press-conference-covid-19-restrictions-public-gatherings-cruise-lockdown-app-latest-updates

There’s more countries, but the above is enough to refute the claim that Trump is the only leader who has mentioned their economy…The two are inherently linked. How is it possible to totally ignore the economic damage, and subsequent social problems this is causing?

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IVe posted a video where he says he would like that, that would be a good thing but Im going to leave it up to his experts…out of his own mouth.

And @GNR4LIFE stated if restrictions are lifted by then, not that they would be?

Ok so you basically prove my point. Where does that narrative come from? Why Easter?

Because Trump raised the possibility of Easter? Are you saying he didn’t raise that possibility?

Actually yes, thats EXACTLY what Im saying. Have you listened to his speech? He never said it was a possiblility, he said “wouldnt it be great? Thats what Im hoping for but the health of citizens is the highest priority and I will listen to the experts”

Are YOU saying GNR wouldnt have raised Easter without Trump?

To be honest I couldnt really care tbh…Im happy to let it go.

By saying he hoped he could have it over by Easter raised that possibility, @GNR4LIFE was responding that possibility.

I think in 99% of arguments between you and @GNR4LIFE I would be on your side, but this is the 1%, I think you have it wrong on this one mate!

May I take a contrarian view?

The post that @Tiger5150 was basing his view on was:

Tiger5150: Except that Trump never said it would be lifted by Easter, but dont let that get in the way of a narrative.

GNR4LIFE: That’s his plan. Because “the country wants to get back to work”. He also claimed they had it under control and 15 cases would soon be down to zero. Those are facts, not narrative

Let’s face it. GNR has the gun locked and loaded when it comes to Trump. He’s always ready to pull the trigger and he was doing just that on this occasion. Paraphrasing, Trump said that is the “goal” and we are meeting with a lot of people “to see if it can be done”. He never said he “planned” to ease restrictions by Easter. Ultimately, I heard it as we will lift restrictions if it’s safe to do so. GNR heard it as this idiot is actually considering lifting restrictions by Easter in the midst of the crisis and if he does infections will skyrocket. Same words, different meaning.

He has a total bias against the man based on his own political ideology and; it doesn’t help that Trump is polarising at the best of times, but GNR jumps on anything he can to convince people that Trump is an idiot. Fair enough and that’s his prerogative, but his viewpoint is predictable and usually ends up in a fierce argument with anyone that tries to correct him or argue a different viewpoint.

GNR is right or you’re an idiot…take your pick. In essence, no intellectual respect for the other party.

I’m just unsure how people can think that one man can be 100% wrong, 100% of the time if they aren’t blinded by their own bias.

I’m probably wrong, but I’m sure I’m about to get told that shortly…I now await my pizzling…

This whole thing is pedantic. Tiger5150 was trying to argue semantics by arguing that him saying “wouldn’t that be great” wasn’t an indiciation that the country could be up and running by Easter

GNR, I would suggest that you are the one using semantics when you say “I never said that Trump said that” but also suggest that the US are going to reopen at Easter. OF COURSE you are referencing Trump. The reason I was trying to argue that Trump saying “wouldn’t that be nice?” is not an indication that the country could be up and running by Easter is BECAUSE IT ISNT. It is not an indication that he is going to re-open by Easter. Especially when in the same sentence he says “We will beat this but it is going to take some time…I will be listening to the experts”. NONE of that says we will be opening at Easter.

Pretty much everytime Trump opens his mouth its a Rorschach Test.

My intitial post was only addressing that. I didn’t call Trump an idiot, or anything else. I made one prediction based on a timeline he’s on record as working towards and said it would be a big mistake. And somehow it’s carried on for 2 pages. Not only what’s reported in MSM is fake news, now even repeating back what came out of his own mouth is stuff that gets you labeled as bias.

It all comes down to how you want to interpret it. I see him as someone who sees the economy as the be all end all. Even his supporters have come out and claimed they would be prepared to sacrifice the elderly for the sake of the economy. And no, Donald didn’t say that, before you accuse me of twisting things. But I believe in his mind, if people die for the sake of the economy, so be it. Because the economy is his baby. It’s what he’s been patting himself on the back about for 3 years. If that goes, so goes his number 1 boast. And I’m sure you’ll disagree with everything I have said, and that’s fine. But just know, my opinion is based on what I see of him myself, not what CNN (which I don’t watch) tells me.

I wont disagree with everything you said and as you say, its your opinion. I actually agree with some of it.

This will seem shocking I guess but Trump as President should be thinking of the economy and how quickly he can open the doors again. The economic downturn will impact many more than the virus will and for a very long time. Its his job to minimise this damage as well as save as many lives as he can.

At some stage the consideration of this crisis will have to revert back to the economy. There are two considerations…the possibility of lives lost, and possibility of killing the economy. Right now, obviously and correctly the balance is in favour of addressing the possibility of lives lost, but at some stage, the balance will need to tip back the other way. I dont know what that point is.

Raises an interesting point (IMO). What is the number of lives lost that is worth reopening the economy? 1? 1000? Obviously even 1 life lost is a tragedy for that person and their loved ones but influenza kills 4500 people every year in Australia and we dont shut down the economy for it. I am NOT suggesting this is like the flu or should be treated the same way, its not and we are doing the right thing, but IMO at some stage in the future, the economy switch will be required to be switched back on and lives will still be lost. Im glad Im not making that decision.

It seems governments around the world are more focussed on keeping their health systems from being overloaded rather than it being a question of how many deaths are acceptable.

If people are dying from the virus, that’s one thing, but if they’re dying from the virus because the system is collapsing, then that’s probably not acceptable for 99% of people.

My belief is that once countries feel like they have their case numbers “under control”, they will relax restrictions and open up their economies, however “under control” may mean different things in different countries. Time will tell.

The question is, how confident will people be walking around knowing that the virus is still in the community? Then again, maybe that’s a dumb question considering the scenes on Bondi Beach the other day 😂

I was listening to a podcast of Eric Weinstein on Sunday and he raised an interesting POV. He made the point that effectively the measures taken all over the world by Governments are not attempts at controlling the virus, but attempts at covering their collective arses. That over the years there should have been foresight and sufficient medical resources but now its effectively not a case of preventing deaths but preventing avoidable deaths due to lack of resources (Health systems overrun). He raised an interesting thought experiment without giving his answer. If helicopters decended on every nations capital city with guarenteed sufficient numbers of beds and ventilators etc, what would be each countries response then?

Precisely. I think eradication is out of the question for most governments as the closer you get to 0 cases, there are diminishing returns when weighed up against shutting down the economy. It’s becoming obvious it’s all about managing the load on health services. In any event, it seems like you can’t be totally sure of eradication with this virus given the variety and intensity of symptoms people experience.

The one thing we’ll only know in hindsight is when they do start lifting restrictions, how will the economy be affected by people knowing that the virus is still around? Will they fearlessly cram into pubs and restaurants again? Will there still be a caution within the general economy? Will some workplaces continue with a work from home policy?

It’s such a catch 22…do you go for broke and try for total eradication and open the economy with full public confidence? Or do you restrict/relax based on the load on the health service and have an economy running under capacity?

Using my clients as an example, I just can’t see businesses committing to large purchases until total certainty returns and they have their financial affairs in order. Unfortunately, many businesses have had to take on a debt burden (either via arrears or new borrowing) and it will take a while for that to wash through.

I usually have a strong opinion on these things, but on this one, I’m willing to go with the flow and let the government govern. There are no winners in this situation and you’re damned if you do and damned if you don’t.

I’m more interested in the aftermath - What’s our economy going to be like and how can we change our business models to suit it and protect against something similar in future? I’d also like to see us move our manufacturing away from China in favour of diversifying our production between Australia, Vietnam, India and other developing countries. At the moment, our eggs are in one basket.