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IVe posted a video where he says he would like that, that would be a good thing but Im going to leave it up to his experts…out of his own mouth.

And @GNR4LIFE stated if restrictions are lifted by then, not that they would be?

Ok so you basically prove my point. Where does that narrative come from? Why Easter?

Because Trump raised the possibility of Easter? Are you saying he didn’t raise that possibility?

Actually yes, thats EXACTLY what Im saying. Have you listened to his speech? He never said it was a possiblility, he said “wouldnt it be great? Thats what Im hoping for but the health of citizens is the highest priority and I will listen to the experts”

Are YOU saying GNR wouldnt have raised Easter without Trump?

To be honest I couldnt really care tbh…Im happy to let it go.

By saying he hoped he could have it over by Easter raised that possibility, @GNR4LIFE was responding that possibility.

I think in 99% of arguments between you and @GNR4LIFE I would be on your side, but this is the 1%, I think you have it wrong on this one mate!

May I take a contrarian view?

The post that @Tiger5150 was basing his view on was:

Tiger5150: Except that Trump never said it would be lifted by Easter, but dont let that get in the way of a narrative.

GNR4LIFE: That’s his plan. Because “the country wants to get back to work”. He also claimed they had it under control and 15 cases would soon be down to zero. Those are facts, not narrative

Let’s face it. GNR has the gun locked and loaded when it comes to Trump. He’s always ready to pull the trigger and he was doing just that on this occasion. Paraphrasing, Trump said that is the “goal” and we are meeting with a lot of people “to see if it can be done”. He never said he “planned” to ease restrictions by Easter. Ultimately, I heard it as we will lift restrictions if it’s safe to do so. GNR heard it as this idiot is actually considering lifting restrictions by Easter in the midst of the crisis and if he does infections will skyrocket. Same words, different meaning.

He has a total bias against the man based on his own political ideology and; it doesn’t help that Trump is polarising at the best of times, but GNR jumps on anything he can to convince people that Trump is an idiot. Fair enough and that’s his prerogative, but his viewpoint is predictable and usually ends up in a fierce argument with anyone that tries to correct him or argue a different viewpoint.

GNR is right or you’re an idiot…take your pick. In essence, no intellectual respect for the other party.

I’m just unsure how people can think that one man can be 100% wrong, 100% of the time if they aren’t blinded by their own bias.

I’m probably wrong, but I’m sure I’m about to get told that shortly…I now await my pizzling…

This whole thing is pedantic. Tiger5150 was trying to argue semantics by arguing that him saying “wouldn’t that be great” wasn’t an indiciation that the country could be up and running by Easter

GNR, I would suggest that you are the one using semantics when you say “I never said that Trump said that” but also suggest that the US are going to reopen at Easter. OF COURSE you are referencing Trump. The reason I was trying to argue that Trump saying “wouldn’t that be nice?” is not an indication that the country could be up and running by Easter is BECAUSE IT ISNT. It is not an indication that he is going to re-open by Easter. Especially when in the same sentence he says “We will beat this but it is going to take some time…I will be listening to the experts”. NONE of that says we will be opening at Easter.

Pretty much everytime Trump opens his mouth its a Rorschach Test.

My intitial post was only addressing that. I didn’t call Trump an idiot, or anything else. I made one prediction based on a timeline he’s on record as working towards and said it would be a big mistake. And somehow it’s carried on for 2 pages. Not only what’s reported in MSM is fake news, now even repeating back what came out of his own mouth is stuff that gets you labeled as bias.

It all comes down to how you want to interpret it. I see him as someone who sees the economy as the be all end all. Even his supporters have come out and claimed they would be prepared to sacrifice the elderly for the sake of the economy. And no, Donald didn’t say that, before you accuse me of twisting things. But I believe in his mind, if people die for the sake of the economy, so be it. Because the economy is his baby. It’s what he’s been patting himself on the back about for 3 years. If that goes, so goes his number 1 boast. And I’m sure you’ll disagree with everything I have said, and that’s fine. But just know, my opinion is based on what I see of him myself, not what CNN (which I don’t watch) tells me.

I wont disagree with everything you said and as you say, its your opinion. I actually agree with some of it.

This will seem shocking I guess but Trump as President should be thinking of the economy and how quickly he can open the doors again. The economic downturn will impact many more than the virus will and for a very long time. Its his job to minimise this damage as well as save as many lives as he can.

At some stage the consideration of this crisis will have to revert back to the economy. There are two considerations…the possibility of lives lost, and possibility of killing the economy. Right now, obviously and correctly the balance is in favour of addressing the possibility of lives lost, but at some stage, the balance will need to tip back the other way. I dont know what that point is.

Raises an interesting point (IMO). What is the number of lives lost that is worth reopening the economy? 1? 1000? Obviously even 1 life lost is a tragedy for that person and their loved ones but influenza kills 4500 people every year in Australia and we dont shut down the economy for it. I am NOT suggesting this is like the flu or should be treated the same way, its not and we are doing the right thing, but IMO at some stage in the future, the economy switch will be required to be switched back on and lives will still be lost. Im glad Im not making that decision.

Of course it will, but probably not the best time to talk about it while people are suffering. He’s the only world leader whose even mentioned the economy. The rest are only worried about containing the virus.

And just like that, the biggest sufferer of TDS on this forum revealed their astonishing bias for all to see. Bravo

Good, glad that”s out of your system.

Just 4 and a half years to get the TDS out of yours.

If you say so

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IVe posted a video where he says he would like that, that would be a good thing but Im going to leave it up to his experts…out of his own mouth.

And @GNR4LIFE stated if restrictions are lifted by then, not that they would be?

Ok so you basically prove my point. Where does that narrative come from? Why Easter?

Because Trump raised the possibility of Easter? Are you saying he didn’t raise that possibility?

Actually yes, thats EXACTLY what Im saying. Have you listened to his speech? He never said it was a possiblility, he said “wouldnt it be great? Thats what Im hoping for but the health of citizens is the highest priority and I will listen to the experts”

Are YOU saying GNR wouldnt have raised Easter without Trump?

To be honest I couldnt really care tbh…Im happy to let it go.

By saying he hoped he could have it over by Easter raised that possibility, @GNR4LIFE was responding that possibility.

I think in 99% of arguments between you and @GNR4LIFE I would be on your side, but this is the 1%, I think you have it wrong on this one mate!

May I take a contrarian view?

The post that @Tiger5150 was basing his view on was:

Tiger5150: Except that Trump never said it would be lifted by Easter, but dont let that get in the way of a narrative.

GNR4LIFE: That’s his plan. Because “the country wants to get back to work”. He also claimed they had it under control and 15 cases would soon be down to zero. Those are facts, not narrative

Let’s face it. GNR has the gun locked and loaded when it comes to Trump. He’s always ready to pull the trigger and he was doing just that on this occasion. Paraphrasing, Trump said that is the “goal” and we are meeting with a lot of people “to see if it can be done”. He never said he “planned” to ease restrictions by Easter. Ultimately, I heard it as we will lift restrictions if it’s safe to do so. GNR heard it as this idiot is actually considering lifting restrictions by Easter in the midst of the crisis and if he does infections will skyrocket. Same words, different meaning.

He has a total bias against the man based on his own political ideology and; it doesn’t help that Trump is polarising at the best of times, but GNR jumps on anything he can to convince people that Trump is an idiot. Fair enough and that’s his prerogative, but his viewpoint is predictable and usually ends up in a fierce argument with anyone that tries to correct him or argue a different viewpoint.

GNR is right or you’re an idiot…take your pick. In essence, no intellectual respect for the other party.

I’m just unsure how people can think that one man can be 100% wrong, 100% of the time if they aren’t blinded by their own bias.

I’m probably wrong, but I’m sure I’m about to get told that shortly…I now await my pizzling…

This whole thing is pedantic. Tiger5150 was trying to argue semantics by arguing that him saying “wouldn’t that be great” wasn’t an indiciation that the country could be up and running by Easter

GNR, I would suggest that you are the one using semantics when you say “I never said that Trump said that” but also suggest that the US are going to reopen at Easter. OF COURSE you are referencing Trump. The reason I was trying to argue that Trump saying “wouldn’t that be nice?” is not an indication that the country could be up and running by Easter is BECAUSE IT ISNT. It is not an indication that he is going to re-open by Easter. Especially when in the same sentence he says “We will beat this but it is going to take some time…I will be listening to the experts”. NONE of that says we will be opening at Easter.

Pretty much everytime Trump opens his mouth its a Rorschach Test.

My intitial post was only addressing that. I didn’t call Trump an idiot, or anything else. I made one prediction based on a timeline he’s on record as working towards and said it would be a big mistake. And somehow it’s carried on for 2 pages. Not only what’s reported in MSM is fake news, now even repeating back what came out of his own mouth is stuff that gets you labeled as bias.

It all comes down to how you want to interpret it. I see him as someone who sees the economy as the be all end all. Even his supporters have come out and claimed they would be prepared to sacrifice the elderly for the sake of the economy. And no, Donald didn’t say that, before you accuse me of twisting things. But I believe in his mind, if people die for the sake of the economy, so be it. Because the economy is his baby. It’s what he’s been patting himself on the back about for 3 years. If that goes, so goes his number 1 boast. And I’m sure you’ll disagree with everything I have said, and that’s fine. But just know, my opinion is based on what I see of him myself, not what CNN (which I don’t watch) tells me.

I wont disagree with everything you said and as you say, its your opinion. I actually agree with some of it.

This will seem shocking I guess but Trump as President should be thinking of the economy and how quickly he can open the doors again. The economic downturn will impact many more than the virus will and for a very long time. Its his job to minimise this damage as well as save as many lives as he can.

At some stage the consideration of this crisis will have to revert back to the economy. There are two considerations…the possibility of lives lost, and possibility of killing the economy. Right now, obviously and correctly the balance is in favour of addressing the possibility of lives lost, but at some stage, the balance will need to tip back the other way. I dont know what that point is.

Raises an interesting point (IMO). What is the number of lives lost that is worth reopening the economy? 1? 1000? Obviously even 1 life lost is a tragedy for that person and their loved ones but influenza kills 4500 people every year in Australia and we dont shut down the economy for it. I am NOT suggesting this is like the flu or should be treated the same way, its not and we are doing the right thing, but IMO at some stage in the future, the economy switch will be required to be switched back on and lives will still be lost. Im glad Im not making that decision.

Of course it will, but probably not the best time to talk about it while people are suffering. He’s the only world leader whose even mentioned the economy. The rest are only worried about containing the virus.

I don’t think that is the case. As WT previously linked, Bolsonaro has been vocal on it. Even Scomo has mentioned it in past briefs.

All leaders that haven’t openly mentioned it would be still privately considering their economies in their decisions.

It’s just that Trump is brash about it which is why it sticks out. Probably a power display for China to at least feign the impression that the US will not kneecap it’s economy to treat COVID-19. They will inevitably when the population are calling for it. They are armed to the teeth and have a natural sense of distrust for authority.

Everything he does is a power display. I have to say, as someone who, self admittedly doesn’t really engage in Aussie politics and the personalities, I’ve been impressed by Morrison and the way he’s handled things. It’s nice to watch a leader whose primary concern isn’t his self image and promoting conspiracy theories

Cue Col

Will we have a new Liberal voter amongst us GNR?

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IVe posted a video where he says he would like that, that would be a good thing but Im going to leave it up to his experts…out of his own mouth.

And @GNR4LIFE stated if restrictions are lifted by then, not that they would be?

Ok so you basically prove my point. Where does that narrative come from? Why Easter?

Because Trump raised the possibility of Easter? Are you saying he didn’t raise that possibility?

Actually yes, thats EXACTLY what Im saying. Have you listened to his speech? He never said it was a possiblility, he said “wouldnt it be great? Thats what Im hoping for but the health of citizens is the highest priority and I will listen to the experts”

Are YOU saying GNR wouldnt have raised Easter without Trump?

To be honest I couldnt really care tbh…Im happy to let it go.

By saying he hoped he could have it over by Easter raised that possibility, @GNR4LIFE was responding that possibility.

I think in 99% of arguments between you and @GNR4LIFE I would be on your side, but this is the 1%, I think you have it wrong on this one mate!

May I take a contrarian view?

The post that @Tiger5150 was basing his view on was:

Tiger5150: Except that Trump never said it would be lifted by Easter, but dont let that get in the way of a narrative.

GNR4LIFE: That’s his plan. Because “the country wants to get back to work”. He also claimed they had it under control and 15 cases would soon be down to zero. Those are facts, not narrative

Let’s face it. GNR has the gun locked and loaded when it comes to Trump. He’s always ready to pull the trigger and he was doing just that on this occasion. Paraphrasing, Trump said that is the “goal” and we are meeting with a lot of people “to see if it can be done”. He never said he “planned” to ease restrictions by Easter. Ultimately, I heard it as we will lift restrictions if it’s safe to do so. GNR heard it as this idiot is actually considering lifting restrictions by Easter in the midst of the crisis and if he does infections will skyrocket. Same words, different meaning.

He has a total bias against the man based on his own political ideology and; it doesn’t help that Trump is polarising at the best of times, but GNR jumps on anything he can to convince people that Trump is an idiot. Fair enough and that’s his prerogative, but his viewpoint is predictable and usually ends up in a fierce argument with anyone that tries to correct him or argue a different viewpoint.

GNR is right or you’re an idiot…take your pick. In essence, no intellectual respect for the other party.

I’m just unsure how people can think that one man can be 100% wrong, 100% of the time if they aren’t blinded by their own bias.

I’m probably wrong, but I’m sure I’m about to get told that shortly…I now await my pizzling…

This whole thing is pedantic. Tiger5150 was trying to argue semantics by arguing that him saying “wouldn’t that be great” wasn’t an indiciation that the country could be up and running by Easter

GNR, I would suggest that you are the one using semantics when you say “I never said that Trump said that” but also suggest that the US are going to reopen at Easter. OF COURSE you are referencing Trump. The reason I was trying to argue that Trump saying “wouldn’t that be nice?” is not an indication that the country could be up and running by Easter is BECAUSE IT ISNT. It is not an indication that he is going to re-open by Easter. Especially when in the same sentence he says “We will beat this but it is going to take some time…I will be listening to the experts”. NONE of that says we will be opening at Easter.

Pretty much everytime Trump opens his mouth its a Rorschach Test.

My intitial post was only addressing that. I didn’t call Trump an idiot, or anything else. I made one prediction based on a timeline he’s on record as working towards and said it would be a big mistake. And somehow it’s carried on for 2 pages. Not only what’s reported in MSM is fake news, now even repeating back what came out of his own mouth is stuff that gets you labeled as bias.

It all comes down to how you want to interpret it. I see him as someone who sees the economy as the be all end all. Even his supporters have come out and claimed they would be prepared to sacrifice the elderly for the sake of the economy. And no, Donald didn’t say that, before you accuse me of twisting things. But I believe in his mind, if people die for the sake of the economy, so be it. Because the economy is his baby. It’s what he’s been patting himself on the back about for 3 years. If that goes, so goes his number 1 boast. And I’m sure you’ll disagree with everything I have said, and that’s fine. But just know, my opinion is based on what I see of him myself, not what CNN (which I don’t watch) tells me.

I wont disagree with everything you said and as you say, its your opinion. I actually agree with some of it.

This will seem shocking I guess but Trump as President should be thinking of the economy and how quickly he can open the doors again. The economic downturn will impact many more than the virus will and for a very long time. Its his job to minimise this damage as well as save as many lives as he can.

At some stage the consideration of this crisis will have to revert back to the economy. There are two considerations…the possibility of lives lost, and possibility of killing the economy. Right now, obviously and correctly the balance is in favour of addressing the possibility of lives lost, but at some stage, the balance will need to tip back the other way. I dont know what that point is.

Raises an interesting point (IMO). What is the number of lives lost that is worth reopening the economy? 1? 1000? Obviously even 1 life lost is a tragedy for that person and their loved ones but influenza kills 4500 people every year in Australia and we dont shut down the economy for it. I am NOT suggesting this is like the flu or should be treated the same way, its not and we are doing the right thing, but IMO at some stage in the future, the economy switch will be required to be switched back on and lives will still be lost. Im glad Im not making that decision.

Of course it will, but probably not the best time to talk about it while people are suffering. He’s the only world leader whose even mentioned the economy. The rest are only worried about containing the virus.

Scomo just had a whole press conference about the economy…

Has he bragged about the ratings though?

Bit of a swerve from your original claim…smooth move 😂

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IVe posted a video where he says he would like that, that would be a good thing but Im going to leave it up to his experts…out of his own mouth.

And @GNR4LIFE stated if restrictions are lifted by then, not that they would be?

Ok so you basically prove my point. Where does that narrative come from? Why Easter?

Because Trump raised the possibility of Easter? Are you saying he didn’t raise that possibility?

Actually yes, thats EXACTLY what Im saying. Have you listened to his speech? He never said it was a possiblility, he said “wouldnt it be great? Thats what Im hoping for but the health of citizens is the highest priority and I will listen to the experts”

Are YOU saying GNR wouldnt have raised Easter without Trump?

To be honest I couldnt really care tbh…Im happy to let it go.

By saying he hoped he could have it over by Easter raised that possibility, @GNR4LIFE was responding that possibility.

I think in 99% of arguments between you and @GNR4LIFE I would be on your side, but this is the 1%, I think you have it wrong on this one mate!

May I take a contrarian view?

The post that @Tiger5150 was basing his view on was:

Tiger5150: Except that Trump never said it would be lifted by Easter, but dont let that get in the way of a narrative.

GNR4LIFE: That’s his plan. Because “the country wants to get back to work”. He also claimed they had it under control and 15 cases would soon be down to zero. Those are facts, not narrative

Let’s face it. GNR has the gun locked and loaded when it comes to Trump. He’s always ready to pull the trigger and he was doing just that on this occasion. Paraphrasing, Trump said that is the “goal” and we are meeting with a lot of people “to see if it can be done”. He never said he “planned” to ease restrictions by Easter. Ultimately, I heard it as we will lift restrictions if it’s safe to do so. GNR heard it as this idiot is actually considering lifting restrictions by Easter in the midst of the crisis and if he does infections will skyrocket. Same words, different meaning.

He has a total bias against the man based on his own political ideology and; it doesn’t help that Trump is polarising at the best of times, but GNR jumps on anything he can to convince people that Trump is an idiot. Fair enough and that’s his prerogative, but his viewpoint is predictable and usually ends up in a fierce argument with anyone that tries to correct him or argue a different viewpoint.

GNR is right or you’re an idiot…take your pick. In essence, no intellectual respect for the other party.

I’m just unsure how people can think that one man can be 100% wrong, 100% of the time if they aren’t blinded by their own bias.

I’m probably wrong, but I’m sure I’m about to get told that shortly…I now await my pizzling…

This whole thing is pedantic. Tiger5150 was trying to argue semantics by arguing that him saying “wouldn’t that be great” wasn’t an indiciation that the country could be up and running by Easter

GNR, I would suggest that you are the one using semantics when you say “I never said that Trump said that” but also suggest that the US are going to reopen at Easter. OF COURSE you are referencing Trump. The reason I was trying to argue that Trump saying “wouldn’t that be nice?” is not an indication that the country could be up and running by Easter is BECAUSE IT ISNT. It is not an indication that he is going to re-open by Easter. Especially when in the same sentence he says “We will beat this but it is going to take some time…I will be listening to the experts”. NONE of that says we will be opening at Easter.

Pretty much everytime Trump opens his mouth its a Rorschach Test.

My intitial post was only addressing that. I didn’t call Trump an idiot, or anything else. I made one prediction based on a timeline he’s on record as working towards and said it would be a big mistake. And somehow it’s carried on for 2 pages. Not only what’s reported in MSM is fake news, now even repeating back what came out of his own mouth is stuff that gets you labeled as bias.

It all comes down to how you want to interpret it. I see him as someone who sees the economy as the be all end all. Even his supporters have come out and claimed they would be prepared to sacrifice the elderly for the sake of the economy. And no, Donald didn’t say that, before you accuse me of twisting things. But I believe in his mind, if people die for the sake of the economy, so be it. Because the economy is his baby. It’s what he’s been patting himself on the back about for 3 years. If that goes, so goes his number 1 boast. And I’m sure you’ll disagree with everything I have said, and that’s fine. But just know, my opinion is based on what I see of him myself, not what CNN (which I don’t watch) tells me.

I wont disagree with everything you said and as you say, its your opinion. I actually agree with some of it.

This will seem shocking I guess but Trump as President should be thinking of the economy and how quickly he can open the doors again. The economic downturn will impact many more than the virus will and for a very long time. Its his job to minimise this damage as well as save as many lives as he can.

At some stage the consideration of this crisis will have to revert back to the economy. There are two considerations…the possibility of lives lost, and possibility of killing the economy. Right now, obviously and correctly the balance is in favour of addressing the possibility of lives lost, but at some stage, the balance will need to tip back the other way. I dont know what that point is.

Raises an interesting point (IMO). What is the number of lives lost that is worth reopening the economy? 1? 1000? Obviously even 1 life lost is a tragedy for that person and their loved ones but influenza kills 4500 people every year in Australia and we dont shut down the economy for it. I am NOT suggesting this is like the flu or should be treated the same way, its not and we are doing the right thing, but IMO at some stage in the future, the economy switch will be required to be switched back on and lives will still be lost. Im glad Im not making that decision.

Of course it will, but probably not the best time to talk about it while people are suffering. He’s the only world leader whose even mentioned the economy. The rest are only worried about containing the virus.

Scomo just had a whole press conference about the economy…

Has he bragged about the ratings though?

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IVe posted a video where he says he would like that, that would be a good thing but Im going to leave it up to his experts…out of his own mouth.

And @GNR4LIFE stated if restrictions are lifted by then, not that they would be?

Ok so you basically prove my point. Where does that narrative come from? Why Easter?

Because Trump raised the possibility of Easter? Are you saying he didn’t raise that possibility?

Actually yes, thats EXACTLY what Im saying. Have you listened to his speech? He never said it was a possiblility, he said “wouldnt it be great? Thats what Im hoping for but the health of citizens is the highest priority and I will listen to the experts”

Are YOU saying GNR wouldnt have raised Easter without Trump?

To be honest I couldnt really care tbh…Im happy to let it go.

By saying he hoped he could have it over by Easter raised that possibility, @GNR4LIFE was responding that possibility.

I think in 99% of arguments between you and @GNR4LIFE I would be on your side, but this is the 1%, I think you have it wrong on this one mate!

May I take a contrarian view?

The post that @Tiger5150 was basing his view on was:

Tiger5150: Except that Trump never said it would be lifted by Easter, but dont let that get in the way of a narrative.

GNR4LIFE: That’s his plan. Because “the country wants to get back to work”. He also claimed they had it under control and 15 cases would soon be down to zero. Those are facts, not narrative

Let’s face it. GNR has the gun locked and loaded when it comes to Trump. He’s always ready to pull the trigger and he was doing just that on this occasion. Paraphrasing, Trump said that is the “goal” and we are meeting with a lot of people “to see if it can be done”. He never said he “planned” to ease restrictions by Easter. Ultimately, I heard it as we will lift restrictions if it’s safe to do so. GNR heard it as this idiot is actually considering lifting restrictions by Easter in the midst of the crisis and if he does infections will skyrocket. Same words, different meaning.

He has a total bias against the man based on his own political ideology and; it doesn’t help that Trump is polarising at the best of times, but GNR jumps on anything he can to convince people that Trump is an idiot. Fair enough and that’s his prerogative, but his viewpoint is predictable and usually ends up in a fierce argument with anyone that tries to correct him or argue a different viewpoint.

GNR is right or you’re an idiot…take your pick. In essence, no intellectual respect for the other party.

I’m just unsure how people can think that one man can be 100% wrong, 100% of the time if they aren’t blinded by their own bias.

I’m probably wrong, but I’m sure I’m about to get told that shortly…I now await my pizzling…

This whole thing is pedantic. Tiger5150 was trying to argue semantics by arguing that him saying “wouldn’t that be great” wasn’t an indiciation that the country could be up and running by Easter

GNR, I would suggest that you are the one using semantics when you say “I never said that Trump said that” but also suggest that the US are going to reopen at Easter. OF COURSE you are referencing Trump. The reason I was trying to argue that Trump saying “wouldn’t that be nice?” is not an indication that the country could be up and running by Easter is BECAUSE IT ISNT. It is not an indication that he is going to re-open by Easter. Especially when in the same sentence he says “We will beat this but it is going to take some time…I will be listening to the experts”. NONE of that says we will be opening at Easter.

Pretty much everytime Trump opens his mouth its a Rorschach Test.

My intitial post was only addressing that. I didn’t call Trump an idiot, or anything else. I made one prediction based on a timeline he’s on record as working towards and said it would be a big mistake. And somehow it’s carried on for 2 pages. Not only what’s reported in MSM is fake news, now even repeating back what came out of his own mouth is stuff that gets you labeled as bias.

It all comes down to how you want to interpret it. I see him as someone who sees the economy as the be all end all. Even his supporters have come out and claimed they would be prepared to sacrifice the elderly for the sake of the economy. And no, Donald didn’t say that, before you accuse me of twisting things. But I believe in his mind, if people die for the sake of the economy, so be it. Because the economy is his baby. It’s what he’s been patting himself on the back about for 3 years. If that goes, so goes his number 1 boast. And I’m sure you’ll disagree with everything I have said, and that’s fine. But just know, my opinion is based on what I see of him myself, not what CNN (which I don’t watch) tells me.

I wont disagree with everything you said and as you say, its your opinion. I actually agree with some of it.

This will seem shocking I guess but Trump as President should be thinking of the economy and how quickly he can open the doors again. The economic downturn will impact many more than the virus will and for a very long time. Its his job to minimise this damage as well as save as many lives as he can.

At some stage the consideration of this crisis will have to revert back to the economy. There are two considerations…the possibility of lives lost, and possibility of killing the economy. Right now, obviously and correctly the balance is in favour of addressing the possibility of lives lost, but at some stage, the balance will need to tip back the other way. I dont know what that point is.

Raises an interesting point (IMO). What is the number of lives lost that is worth reopening the economy? 1? 1000? Obviously even 1 life lost is a tragedy for that person and their loved ones but influenza kills 4500 people every year in Australia and we dont shut down the economy for it. I am NOT suggesting this is like the flu or should be treated the same way, its not and we are doing the right thing, but IMO at some stage in the future, the economy switch will be required to be switched back on and lives will still be lost. Im glad Im not making that decision.

Of course it will, but probably not the best time to talk about it while people are suffering. He’s the only world leader whose even mentioned the economy. The rest are only worried about containing the virus.

Trump is the ONLY world leader to mention the economy? Really?

Brazil: http://www.rfi.fr/en/wires/20200330-brazil-economy-cant-stop-coronavirus-bolsonaro

G20: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-27/g20-leaders-global-economy-fight-coronavirus/12091530

Australia: https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2020/mar/30/coronavirus-update-live-australia-news-nsw-qld-victoria-scott-morrison-press-conference-covid-19-restrictions-public-gatherings-cruise-lockdown-app-latest-updates

There’s more countries, but the above is enough to refute the claim that Trump is the only leader who has mentioned their economy…The two are inherently linked. How is it possible to totally ignore the economic damage, and subsequent social problems this is causing?

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IVe posted a video where he says he would like that, that would be a good thing but Im going to leave it up to his experts…out of his own mouth.

And @GNR4LIFE stated if restrictions are lifted by then, not that they would be?

Ok so you basically prove my point. Where does that narrative come from? Why Easter?

Because Trump raised the possibility of Easter? Are you saying he didn’t raise that possibility?

Actually yes, thats EXACTLY what Im saying. Have you listened to his speech? He never said it was a possiblility, he said “wouldnt it be great? Thats what Im hoping for but the health of citizens is the highest priority and I will listen to the experts”

Are YOU saying GNR wouldnt have raised Easter without Trump?

To be honest I couldnt really care tbh…Im happy to let it go.

By saying he hoped he could have it over by Easter raised that possibility, @GNR4LIFE was responding that possibility.

I think in 99% of arguments between you and @GNR4LIFE I would be on your side, but this is the 1%, I think you have it wrong on this one mate!

May I take a contrarian view?

The post that @Tiger5150 was basing his view on was:

Tiger5150: Except that Trump never said it would be lifted by Easter, but dont let that get in the way of a narrative.

GNR4LIFE: That’s his plan. Because “the country wants to get back to work”. He also claimed they had it under control and 15 cases would soon be down to zero. Those are facts, not narrative

Let’s face it. GNR has the gun locked and loaded when it comes to Trump. He’s always ready to pull the trigger and he was doing just that on this occasion. Paraphrasing, Trump said that is the “goal” and we are meeting with a lot of people “to see if it can be done”. He never said he “planned” to ease restrictions by Easter. Ultimately, I heard it as we will lift restrictions if it’s safe to do so. GNR heard it as this idiot is actually considering lifting restrictions by Easter in the midst of the crisis and if he does infections will skyrocket. Same words, different meaning.

He has a total bias against the man based on his own political ideology and; it doesn’t help that Trump is polarising at the best of times, but GNR jumps on anything he can to convince people that Trump is an idiot. Fair enough and that’s his prerogative, but his viewpoint is predictable and usually ends up in a fierce argument with anyone that tries to correct him or argue a different viewpoint.

GNR is right or you’re an idiot…take your pick. In essence, no intellectual respect for the other party.

I’m just unsure how people can think that one man can be 100% wrong, 100% of the time if they aren’t blinded by their own bias.

I’m probably wrong, but I’m sure I’m about to get told that shortly…I now await my pizzling…

This whole thing is pedantic. Tiger5150 was trying to argue semantics by arguing that him saying “wouldn’t that be great” wasn’t an indiciation that the country could be up and running by Easter

GNR, I would suggest that you are the one using semantics when you say “I never said that Trump said that” but also suggest that the US are going to reopen at Easter. OF COURSE you are referencing Trump. The reason I was trying to argue that Trump saying “wouldn’t that be nice?” is not an indication that the country could be up and running by Easter is BECAUSE IT ISNT. It is not an indication that he is going to re-open by Easter. Especially when in the same sentence he says “We will beat this but it is going to take some time…I will be listening to the experts”. NONE of that says we will be opening at Easter.

Pretty much everytime Trump opens his mouth its a Rorschach Test.

My intitial post was only addressing that. I didn’t call Trump an idiot, or anything else. I made one prediction based on a timeline he’s on record as working towards and said it would be a big mistake. And somehow it’s carried on for 2 pages. Not only what’s reported in MSM is fake news, now even repeating back what came out of his own mouth is stuff that gets you labeled as bias.

It all comes down to how you want to interpret it. I see him as someone who sees the economy as the be all end all. Even his supporters have come out and claimed they would be prepared to sacrifice the elderly for the sake of the economy. And no, Donald didn’t say that, before you accuse me of twisting things. But I believe in his mind, if people die for the sake of the economy, so be it. Because the economy is his baby. It’s what he’s been patting himself on the back about for 3 years. If that goes, so goes his number 1 boast. And I’m sure you’ll disagree with everything I have said, and that’s fine. But just know, my opinion is based on what I see of him myself, not what CNN (which I don’t watch) tells me.

I wont disagree with everything you said and as you say, its your opinion. I actually agree with some of it.

This will seem shocking I guess but Trump as President should be thinking of the economy and how quickly he can open the doors again. The economic downturn will impact many more than the virus will and for a very long time. Its his job to minimise this damage as well as save as many lives as he can.

At some stage the consideration of this crisis will have to revert back to the economy. There are two considerations…the possibility of lives lost, and possibility of killing the economy. Right now, obviously and correctly the balance is in favour of addressing the possibility of lives lost, but at some stage, the balance will need to tip back the other way. I dont know what that point is.

Raises an interesting point (IMO). What is the number of lives lost that is worth reopening the economy? 1? 1000? Obviously even 1 life lost is a tragedy for that person and their loved ones but influenza kills 4500 people every year in Australia and we dont shut down the economy for it. I am NOT suggesting this is like the flu or should be treated the same way, its not and we are doing the right thing, but IMO at some stage in the future, the economy switch will be required to be switched back on and lives will still be lost. Im glad Im not making that decision.

It seems governments around the world are more focussed on keeping their health systems from being overloaded rather than it being a question of how many deaths are acceptable.

If people are dying from the virus, that’s one thing, but if they’re dying from the virus because the system is collapsing, then that’s probably not acceptable for 99% of people.

My belief is that once countries feel like they have their case numbers “under control”, they will relax restrictions and open up their economies, however “under control” may mean different things in different countries. Time will tell.

The question is, how confident will people be walking around knowing that the virus is still in the community? Then again, maybe that’s a dumb question considering the scenes on Bondi Beach the other day 😂

I was listening to a podcast of Eric Weinstein on Sunday and he raised an interesting POV. He made the point that effectively the measures taken all over the world by Governments are not attempts at controlling the virus, but attempts at covering their collective arses. That over the years there should have been foresight and sufficient medical resources but now its effectively not a case of preventing deaths but preventing avoidable deaths due to lack of resources (Health systems overrun). He raised an interesting thought experiment without giving his answer. If helicopters decended on every nations capital city with guarenteed sufficient numbers of beds and ventilators etc, what would be each countries response then?

Precisely. I think eradication is out of the question for most governments as the closer you get to 0 cases, there are diminishing returns when weighed up against shutting down the economy. It’s becoming obvious it’s all about managing the load on health services. In any event, it seems like you can’t be totally sure of eradication with this virus given the variety and intensity of symptoms people experience.

The one thing we’ll only know in hindsight is when they do start lifting restrictions, how will the economy be affected by people knowing that the virus is still around? Will they fearlessly cram into pubs and restaurants again? Will there still be a caution within the general economy? Will some workplaces continue with a work from home policy?

It’s such a catch 22…do you go for broke and try for total eradication and open the economy with full public confidence? Or do you restrict/relax based on the load on the health service and have an economy running under capacity?

Using my clients as an example, I just can’t see businesses committing to large purchases until total certainty returns and they have their financial affairs in order. Unfortunately, many businesses have had to take on a debt burden (either via arrears or new borrowing) and it will take a while for that to wash through.

I usually have a strong opinion on these things, but on this one, I’m willing to go with the flow and let the government govern. There are no winners in this situation and you’re damned if you do and damned if you don’t.

I’m more interested in the aftermath - What’s our economy going to be like and how can we change our business models to suit it and protect against something similar in future? I’d also like to see us move our manufacturing away from China in favour of diversifying our production between Australia, Vietnam, India and other developing countries. At the moment, our eggs are in one basket.

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IVe posted a video where he says he would like that, that would be a good thing but Im going to leave it up to his experts…out of his own mouth.

And @GNR4LIFE stated if restrictions are lifted by then, not that they would be?

Ok so you basically prove my point. Where does that narrative come from? Why Easter?

Because Trump raised the possibility of Easter? Are you saying he didn’t raise that possibility?

Actually yes, thats EXACTLY what Im saying. Have you listened to his speech? He never said it was a possiblility, he said “wouldnt it be great? Thats what Im hoping for but the health of citizens is the highest priority and I will listen to the experts”

Are YOU saying GNR wouldnt have raised Easter without Trump?

To be honest I couldnt really care tbh…Im happy to let it go.

By saying he hoped he could have it over by Easter raised that possibility, @GNR4LIFE was responding that possibility.

I think in 99% of arguments between you and @GNR4LIFE I would be on your side, but this is the 1%, I think you have it wrong on this one mate!

May I take a contrarian view?

The post that @Tiger5150 was basing his view on was:

Tiger5150: Except that Trump never said it would be lifted by Easter, but dont let that get in the way of a narrative.

GNR4LIFE: That’s his plan. Because “the country wants to get back to work”. He also claimed they had it under control and 15 cases would soon be down to zero. Those are facts, not narrative

Let’s face it. GNR has the gun locked and loaded when it comes to Trump. He’s always ready to pull the trigger and he was doing just that on this occasion. Paraphrasing, Trump said that is the “goal” and we are meeting with a lot of people “to see if it can be done”. He never said he “planned” to ease restrictions by Easter. Ultimately, I heard it as we will lift restrictions if it’s safe to do so. GNR heard it as this idiot is actually considering lifting restrictions by Easter in the midst of the crisis and if he does infections will skyrocket. Same words, different meaning.

He has a total bias against the man based on his own political ideology and; it doesn’t help that Trump is polarising at the best of times, but GNR jumps on anything he can to convince people that Trump is an idiot. Fair enough and that’s his prerogative, but his viewpoint is predictable and usually ends up in a fierce argument with anyone that tries to correct him or argue a different viewpoint.

GNR is right or you’re an idiot…take your pick. In essence, no intellectual respect for the other party.

I’m just unsure how people can think that one man can be 100% wrong, 100% of the time if they aren’t blinded by their own bias.

I’m probably wrong, but I’m sure I’m about to get told that shortly…I now await my pizzling…

This whole thing is pedantic. Tiger5150 was trying to argue semantics by arguing that him saying “wouldn’t that be great” wasn’t an indiciation that the country could be up and running by Easter

GNR, I would suggest that you are the one using semantics when you say “I never said that Trump said that” but also suggest that the US are going to reopen at Easter. OF COURSE you are referencing Trump. The reason I was trying to argue that Trump saying “wouldn’t that be nice?” is not an indication that the country could be up and running by Easter is BECAUSE IT ISNT. It is not an indication that he is going to re-open by Easter. Especially when in the same sentence he says “We will beat this but it is going to take some time…I will be listening to the experts”. NONE of that says we will be opening at Easter.

Pretty much everytime Trump opens his mouth its a Rorschach Test.

My intitial post was only addressing that. I didn’t call Trump an idiot, or anything else. I made one prediction based on a timeline he’s on record as working towards and said it would be a big mistake. And somehow it’s carried on for 2 pages. Not only what’s reported in MSM is fake news, now even repeating back what came out of his own mouth is stuff that gets you labeled as bias.

It all comes down to how you want to interpret it. I see him as someone who sees the economy as the be all end all. Even his supporters have come out and claimed they would be prepared to sacrifice the elderly for the sake of the economy. And no, Donald didn’t say that, before you accuse me of twisting things. But I believe in his mind, if people die for the sake of the economy, so be it. Because the economy is his baby. It’s what he’s been patting himself on the back about for 3 years. If that goes, so goes his number 1 boast. And I’m sure you’ll disagree with everything I have said, and that’s fine. But just know, my opinion is based on what I see of him myself, not what CNN (which I don’t watch) tells me.

I wont disagree with everything you said and as you say, its your opinion. I actually agree with some of it.

This will seem shocking I guess but Trump as President should be thinking of the economy and how quickly he can open the doors again. The economic downturn will impact many more than the virus will and for a very long time. Its his job to minimise this damage as well as save as many lives as he can.

At some stage the consideration of this crisis will have to revert back to the economy. There are two considerations…the possibility of lives lost, and possibility of killing the economy. Right now, obviously and correctly the balance is in favour of addressing the possibility of lives lost, but at some stage, the balance will need to tip back the other way. I dont know what that point is.

Raises an interesting point (IMO). What is the number of lives lost that is worth reopening the economy? 1? 1000? Obviously even 1 life lost is a tragedy for that person and their loved ones but influenza kills 4500 people every year in Australia and we dont shut down the economy for it. I am NOT suggesting this is like the flu or should be treated the same way, its not and we are doing the right thing, but IMO at some stage in the future, the economy switch will be required to be switched back on and lives will still be lost. Im glad Im not making that decision.

It seems governments around the world are more focussed on keeping their health systems from being overloaded rather than it being a question of how many deaths are acceptable.

If people are dying from the virus, that’s one thing, but if they’re dying from the virus because the system is collapsing, then that’s probably not acceptable for 99% of people.

My belief is that once countries feel like they have their case numbers “under control”, they will relax restrictions and open up their economies, however “under control” may mean different things in different countries. Time will tell.

The question is, how confident will people be walking around knowing that the virus is still in the community? Then again, maybe that’s a dumb question considering the scenes on Bondi Beach the other day 😂

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IVe posted a video where he says he would like that, that would be a good thing but Im going to leave it up to his experts…out of his own mouth.

And @GNR4LIFE stated if restrictions are lifted by then, not that they would be?

Ok so you basically prove my point. Where does that narrative come from? Why Easter?

Because Trump raised the possibility of Easter? Are you saying he didn’t raise that possibility?

Actually yes, thats EXACTLY what Im saying. Have you listened to his speech? He never said it was a possiblility, he said “wouldnt it be great? Thats what Im hoping for but the health of citizens is the highest priority and I will listen to the experts”

Are YOU saying GNR wouldnt have raised Easter without Trump?

To be honest I couldnt really care tbh…Im happy to let it go.

By saying he hoped he could have it over by Easter raised that possibility, @GNR4LIFE was responding that possibility.

I think in 99% of arguments between you and @GNR4LIFE I would be on your side, but this is the 1%, I think you have it wrong on this one mate!

May I take a contrarian view?

The post that @Tiger5150 was basing his view on was:

Tiger5150: Except that Trump never said it would be lifted by Easter, but dont let that get in the way of a narrative.

GNR4LIFE: That’s his plan. Because “the country wants to get back to work”. He also claimed they had it under control and 15 cases would soon be down to zero. Those are facts, not narrative

Let’s face it. GNR has the gun locked and loaded when it comes to Trump. He’s always ready to pull the trigger and he was doing just that on this occasion. Paraphrasing, Trump said that is the “goal” and we are meeting with a lot of people “to see if it can be done”. He never said he “planned” to ease restrictions by Easter. Ultimately, I heard it as we will lift restrictions if it’s safe to do so. GNR heard it as this idiot is actually considering lifting restrictions by Easter in the midst of the crisis and if he does infections will skyrocket. Same words, different meaning.

He has a total bias against the man based on his own political ideology and; it doesn’t help that Trump is polarising at the best of times, but GNR jumps on anything he can to convince people that Trump is an idiot. Fair enough and that’s his prerogative, but his viewpoint is predictable and usually ends up in a fierce argument with anyone that tries to correct him or argue a different viewpoint.

GNR is right or you’re an idiot…take your pick. In essence, no intellectual respect for the other party.

I’m just unsure how people can think that one man can be 100% wrong, 100% of the time if they aren’t blinded by their own bias.

I’m probably wrong, but I’m sure I’m about to get told that shortly…I now await my pizzling…

This whole thing is pedantic. Tiger5150 was trying to argue semantics by arguing that him saying “wouldn’t that be great” wasn’t an indiciation that the country could be up and running by Easter

GNR, I would suggest that you are the one using semantics when you say “I never said that Trump said that” but also suggest that the US are going to reopen at Easter. OF COURSE you are referencing Trump. The reason I was trying to argue that Trump saying “wouldn’t that be nice?” is not an indication that the country could be up and running by Easter is BECAUSE IT ISNT. It is not an indication that he is going to re-open by Easter. Especially when in the same sentence he says “We will beat this but it is going to take some time…I will be listening to the experts”. NONE of that says we will be opening at Easter.

Pretty much everytime Trump opens his mouth its a Rorschach Test.

My intitial post was only addressing that. I didn’t call Trump an idiot, or anything else. I made one prediction based on a timeline he’s on record as working towards and said it would be a big mistake. And somehow it’s carried on for 2 pages. Not only what’s reported in MSM is fake news, now even repeating back what came out of his own mouth is stuff that gets you labeled as bias.

It all comes down to how you want to interpret it. I see him as someone who sees the economy as the be all end all. Even his supporters have come out and claimed they would be prepared to sacrifice the elderly for the sake of the economy. And no, Donald didn’t say that, before you accuse me of twisting things. But I believe in his mind, if people die for the sake of the economy, so be it. Because the economy is his baby. It’s what he’s been patting himself on the back about for 3 years. If that goes, so goes his number 1 boast. And I’m sure you’ll disagree with everything I have said, and that’s fine. But just know, my opinion is based on what I see of him myself, not what CNN (which I don’t watch) tells me.

This is called bias…now the question is…is it conscious or unconscious bias? 😂

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IVe posted a video where he says he would like that, that would be a good thing but Im going to leave it up to his experts…out of his own mouth.

And @GNR4LIFE stated if restrictions are lifted by then, not that they would be?

Ok so you basically prove my point. Where does that narrative come from? Why Easter?

Because Trump raised the possibility of Easter? Are you saying he didn’t raise that possibility?

Actually yes, thats EXACTLY what Im saying. Have you listened to his speech? He never said it was a possiblility, he said “wouldnt it be great? Thats what Im hoping for but the health of citizens is the highest priority and I will listen to the experts”

Are YOU saying GNR wouldnt have raised Easter without Trump?

To be honest I couldnt really care tbh…Im happy to let it go.

By saying he hoped he could have it over by Easter raised that possibility, @GNR4LIFE was responding that possibility.

I think in 99% of arguments between you and @GNR4LIFE I would be on your side, but this is the 1%, I think you have it wrong on this one mate!

May I take a contrarian view?

The post that @Tiger5150 was basing his view on was:

Tiger5150: Except that Trump never said it would be lifted by Easter, but dont let that get in the way of a narrative.

GNR4LIFE: That’s his plan. Because “the country wants to get back to work”. He also claimed they had it under control and 15 cases would soon be down to zero. Those are facts, not narrative

Let’s face it. GNR has the gun locked and loaded when it comes to Trump. He’s always ready to pull the trigger and he was doing just that on this occasion. Paraphrasing, Trump said that is the “goal” and we are meeting with a lot of people “to see if it can be done”. He never said he “planned” to ease restrictions by Easter. Ultimately, I heard it as we will lift restrictions if it’s safe to do so. GNR heard it as this idiot is actually considering lifting restrictions by Easter in the midst of the crisis and if he does infections will skyrocket. Same words, different meaning.

He has a total bias against the man based on his own political ideology and; it doesn’t help that Trump is polarising at the best of times, but GNR jumps on anything he can to convince people that Trump is an idiot. Fair enough and that’s his prerogative, but his viewpoint is predictable and usually ends up in a fierce argument with anyone that tries to correct him or argue a different viewpoint.

GNR is right or you’re an idiot…take your pick. In essence, no intellectual respect for the other party.

I’m just unsure how people can think that one man can be 100% wrong, 100% of the time if they aren’t blinded by their own bias.

I’m probably wrong, but I’m sure I’m about to get told that shortly…I now await my pizzling…

This whole thing is pedantic. Tiger5150 was trying to argue semantics by arguing that him saying “wouldn’t that be great” wasn’t an indiciation that the country could be up and running by Easter

My intitial post was only addressing that. I didn’t call Trump an idiot, or anything else. I made one prediction based on a timeline he’s on record as working towards and said it would be a big mistake. And somehow it’s carried on for 2 pages. Not only what’s reported in MSM is fake news, now even repeating back what came out of his own mouth is stuff that gets you labeled as bias.

Have you stopped ignoring me now? 😂

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@cochise said in Coronavirus Outbreak:

@Tiger5150 said in Coronavirus Outbreak:

IVe posted a video where he says he would like that, that would be a good thing but Im going to leave it up to his experts…out of his own mouth.

And @GNR4LIFE stated if restrictions are lifted by then, not that they would be?

Ok so you basically prove my point. Where does that narrative come from? Why Easter?

Because Trump raised the possibility of Easter? Are you saying he didn’t raise that possibility?

Actually yes, thats EXACTLY what Im saying. Have you listened to his speech? He never said it was a possiblility, he said “wouldnt it be great? Thats what Im hoping for but the health of citizens is the highest priority and I will listen to the experts”

Are YOU saying GNR wouldnt have raised Easter without Trump?

To be honest I couldnt really care tbh…Im happy to let it go.

By saying he hoped he could have it over by Easter raised that possibility, @GNR4LIFE was responding that possibility.

I think in 99% of arguments between you and @GNR4LIFE I would be on your side, but this is the 1%, I think you have it wrong on this one mate!

May I take a contrarian view?

The post that @Tiger5150 was basing his view on was:

Tiger5150: Except that Trump never said it would be lifted by Easter, but dont let that get in the way of a narrative.

GNR4LIFE: That’s his plan. Because “the country wants to get back to work”. He also claimed they had it under control and 15 cases would soon be down to zero. Those are facts, not narrative

Let’s face it. GNR has the gun locked and loaded when it comes to Trump. He’s always ready to pull the trigger and he was doing just that on this occasion. Paraphrasing, Trump said that is the “goal” and we are meeting with a lot of people “to see if it can be done”. He never said he “planned” to ease restrictions by Easter. Ultimately, I heard it as we will lift restrictions if it’s safe to do so. GNR heard it as this idiot is actually considering lifting restrictions by Easter in the midst of the crisis and if he does infections will skyrocket. Same words, different meaning.

He has a total bias against the man based on his own political ideology and; it doesn’t help that Trump is polarising at the best of times, but GNR jumps on anything he can to convince people that Trump is an idiot. Fair enough and that’s his prerogative, but his viewpoint is predictable and usually ends up in a fierce argument with anyone that tries to correct him or argue a different viewpoint.

GNR is right or you’re an idiot…take your pick. In essence, no intellectual respect for the other party.

I’m just unsure how people can think that one man can be 100% wrong, 100% of the time if they aren’t blinded by their own bias.

I’m probably wrong, but I’m sure I’m about to get told that shortly…I now await my pizzling…