The J(uro) Curve
 Chicken Faced Killa
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Re: The J(uro) Curve
Thank Juro, hopefully we can push on and you have to remodel the curve this year
What point is a curve if it doesn't curve, right? That loss took a little bit of steam out of the team, but the good news is that if we zigzag through the rest of the season, we will still be heading in the right direction. 5 wins from 7 games puts us at 76% chance of making the finals, which was better than we were when we were 4 wins from 5 games (73%).
Key results after 7 rounds:
 11% chance of minor premiership (Dragons are 26%, Warriors are 22%, Eels are 0.1%)
 44% chance of finishing in top 4 (Dragons are 66%, Warriors are 62%, Eels are 2%)
 76% chance of finishing in top 8 (Dragons are 89%, Warriors are 87%, Eels are 13%)
 7% chance of finishing in bottom 4 (Eels are 63%, Cowboys are 45%, Dragons are 2%)
 1% chance of wooden spoon (Eels are 24%, Cowboys are 13%, Dragons are 0.1%)
I have checked through the history of teams being 76% or better chance of making the finals after 6 rounds. Out of the 47 instances there were only 3 teams (6%) who failed to make it:
 2017: Dragons
 2008: Titans
 2006: Cowboys
And yes, this is still our best start to the season. Our previous best Round 7 chances were:
 2000: 75%
 2014: 74%
 2002: 71%
We failed to make the finals in each of those years. The team needs to stay focused and get across the line!
Key results after 7 rounds:
 11% chance of minor premiership (Dragons are 26%, Warriors are 22%, Eels are 0.1%)
 44% chance of finishing in top 4 (Dragons are 66%, Warriors are 62%, Eels are 2%)
 76% chance of finishing in top 8 (Dragons are 89%, Warriors are 87%, Eels are 13%)
 7% chance of finishing in bottom 4 (Eels are 63%, Cowboys are 45%, Dragons are 2%)
 1% chance of wooden spoon (Eels are 24%, Cowboys are 13%, Dragons are 0.1%)
I have checked through the history of teams being 76% or better chance of making the finals after 6 rounds. Out of the 47 instances there were only 3 teams (6%) who failed to make it:
 2017: Dragons
 2008: Titans
 2006: Cowboys
And yes, this is still our best start to the season. Our previous best Round 7 chances were:
 2000: 75%
 2014: 74%
 2002: 71%
We failed to make the finals in each of those years. The team needs to stay focused and get across the line!
I've been a member since 2012. We last played finals football in 2011. Just saying...
 Chicken Faced Killa
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Interesting that in our best 3 season starts we have failed to make the finals. Hopefully we can buck the trend this year and maintain consistency throughout the year.
A few teams who are struggling at the moment have the potential to go on a run and get a heap of momentum so we need to keep winning to stay ahead of them.
A few teams who are struggling at the moment have the potential to go on a run and get a heap of momentum so we need to keep winning to stay ahead of them.
Like the Eels. We really need to refocus and knock this next game out. Could be another danger game for us, they’ll be high on confidence and probably won’t let us get away with what we did last time in letting them back into the game late.Chicken Faced Killa wrote: ↑Tue 24 Apr, 2018 8:05 amInteresting that in our best 3 season starts we have failed to make the finals. Hopefully we can buck the trend this year and maintain consistency throughout the year.
A few teams who are struggling at the moment have the potential to go on a run and get a heap of momentum so we need to keep winning to stay ahead of them.
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Yep Eels, Cowboys sand Raiders all have dangerous squads that could cause trouble to a lot of teams once they get going. I think our squad has played well so far but has probably over achieved a little and need to focus and dig in every week. Starting with the eels this week to keep the curve going upwards.Sco77y wrote: ↑Tue 24 Apr, 2018 8:58 amLike the Eels. We really need to refocus and knock this next game out. Could be another danger game for us, they’ll be high on confidence and probably won’t let us get away with what we did last time in letting them back into the game late.Chicken Faced Killa wrote: ↑Tue 24 Apr, 2018 8:05 amInteresting that in our best 3 season starts we have failed to make the finals. Hopefully we can buck the trend this year and maintain consistency throughout the year.
A few teams who are struggling at the moment have the potential to go on a run and get a heap of momentum so we need to keep winning to stay ahead of them.
Well, that was disappointing... After an amazing first 6 weeks, 2 losses in a row have taken a fair bit of steam out of the season. But while we may be kicking ourselves, we're still not in too bad a position. In fact, this is still the second best start to the season we've ever had!
Sitting at 70% chance of making the finals, we are only behind where we were in 2000, when we were at 73%. Our next best start was in 2014, when we were sitting at 67%.
Key numbers after 8 rounds:
 7% chance of minor premiership (Dragons are 34%, Panthers are 16%, Eels are 0.2%)
 36% chance of finishing in top 4 (Dragons are 75%, Panthers are 55%, Eels are 3%)
 70% chance of finishing in top 8 (Dragons are 94%, Panthers are 84%, Eels are 16%)
 9% chance of finishing in bottom 4 (Eels are 55%, Cowboys are 54%, Dragons are 1%)
 1% chance of wooden spoon (Eels are 18%, Cowboys are 17%, Dragons are 0.04%)
Sitting at 70% chance of making the finals, we are only behind where we were in 2000, when we were at 73%. Our next best start was in 2014, when we were sitting at 67%.
Key numbers after 8 rounds:
 7% chance of minor premiership (Dragons are 34%, Panthers are 16%, Eels are 0.2%)
 36% chance of finishing in top 4 (Dragons are 75%, Panthers are 55%, Eels are 3%)
 70% chance of finishing in top 8 (Dragons are 94%, Panthers are 84%, Eels are 16%)
 9% chance of finishing in bottom 4 (Eels are 55%, Cowboys are 54%, Dragons are 1%)
 1% chance of wooden spoon (Eels are 18%, Cowboys are 17%, Dragons are 0.04%)
I've been a member since 2012. We last played finals football in 2011. Just saying...
Please return to your seats and ensure your tray tables are in an upright position. Our season is experiencing difficulties.
As the curve shows, unfortunately this difficulty is all to frequent for us. In our 19 seasons including this year, we have only managed to win 43.4% of all our regular season matches. However, our season has a typical shape to it. We:
1. start out well for the first couple rounds,
2. then fall away until round 10,
3. then fight back a bit in rounds 11 to 14,
4. then collapse 15 to 18,
5. then have a surge from rounds 19 to 23,
6. and finally collapse in a sobbing heap at the end.
The following graph shows our win percentage for all seasons to date, showing the above story.
Of course, there is the odd season that bucks the trend. We can always hope that this season will be different...
Key numbers after 9 rounds:
 4% chance of minor premiership (Dragons are 44%, Warriors are 18%, Eels are 0.1%)
 26% chance of finishing in top 4 (Dragons are 84%, Warriors are 61%, Eels are 2%)
 61% chance of finishing in top 8 (Dragons are 97%, Warriors are 88%, Eels are 11%)
 12% chance of finishing in bottom 4 (Eels are 64%, Bulldogs are 61%, Dragons are 0.3%)
 1% chance of wooden spoon (Eels are 23%, Bulldogs are 21% and the Dragons have already reached 0.00%)
As the curve shows, unfortunately this difficulty is all to frequent for us. In our 19 seasons including this year, we have only managed to win 43.4% of all our regular season matches. However, our season has a typical shape to it. We:
1. start out well for the first couple rounds,
2. then fall away until round 10,
3. then fight back a bit in rounds 11 to 14,
4. then collapse 15 to 18,
5. then have a surge from rounds 19 to 23,
6. and finally collapse in a sobbing heap at the end.
The following graph shows our win percentage for all seasons to date, showing the above story.
Of course, there is the odd season that bucks the trend. We can always hope that this season will be different...
Key numbers after 9 rounds:
 4% chance of minor premiership (Dragons are 44%, Warriors are 18%, Eels are 0.1%)
 26% chance of finishing in top 4 (Dragons are 84%, Warriors are 61%, Eels are 2%)
 61% chance of finishing in top 8 (Dragons are 97%, Warriors are 88%, Eels are 11%)
 12% chance of finishing in bottom 4 (Eels are 64%, Bulldogs are 61%, Dragons are 0.3%)
 1% chance of wooden spoon (Eels are 23%, Bulldogs are 21% and the Dragons have already reached 0.00%)
Last edited by Juro on Tue 15 May, 2018 7:34 am, edited 1 time in total.
I've been a member since 2012. We last played finals football in 2011. Just saying...
We certainly needed that win, but the curve has not turned up as much as I had expected. We are now on 68%, which is lower than we were 2 weeks ago (70%). The trouble is that all the other teams around us also won, meaning we are still in that tight pack fighting for a spot. Another win on Thursday night would be massive for us.
Sitting at 68% chance of making the finals, we are only behind where we were in 2000, when we were at 87%. Our next best start was in 2007, when we were sitting at 66%.
Key numbers after 10 rounds:
 6% chance of minor premiership (Dragons are 35%, Panthers are 15%, Eels are 0.1%)
 32% chance of finishing in top 4 (Dragons are 76%, Panthers are 55%, Eels are 1%)
 68% chance of finishing in top 8 (Dragons are 95%, Panthers are 85%, Eels are 6%)
 8% chance of finishing in bottom 4 (Eels are 72%, Titans are 58%, Dragons are 1%)
 1% chance of wooden spoon (Eels are 29%, Titans are 17%, Dragons are 0%)
Sitting at 68% chance of making the finals, we are only behind where we were in 2000, when we were at 87%. Our next best start was in 2007, when we were sitting at 66%.
Key numbers after 10 rounds:
 6% chance of minor premiership (Dragons are 35%, Panthers are 15%, Eels are 0.1%)
 32% chance of finishing in top 4 (Dragons are 76%, Panthers are 55%, Eels are 1%)
 68% chance of finishing in top 8 (Dragons are 95%, Panthers are 85%, Eels are 6%)
 8% chance of finishing in bottom 4 (Eels are 72%, Titans are 58%, Dragons are 1%)
 1% chance of wooden spoon (Eels are 29%, Titans are 17%, Dragons are 0%)
Last edited by Juro on Tue 22 May, 2018 7:52 am, edited 1 time in total.
I've been a member since 2012. We last played finals football in 2011. Just saying...
Can't wait till the J curve is 100% chance of the Top 8...
Oh and the Dragons to slide to 0%..
Oh and the Dragons to slide to 0%..
Wests Tigers don't need a Coach.. The playing group has taken over..
happy tiger wrote: ↑Thu 22 Nov, 2018 12:13 amI know at times I'm not always the brightest light in the kitchen
More of a chance to win the minor premiership than the spoon?
That's a welcome change!
That's a welcome change!
Well, we are still in the top 8, and our chances are still above 50%, but that is assuming we have a 50% chance of winning every game...
Key numbers after 11 rounds:
 2% chance of minor premiership (Dragons are 40%, Panthers are 19%, Eels are the first team to reach 0.00%)
 22% chance of finishing in top 4 (Dragons are 83%, Panthers are 64%, Eels are 0.2%)
 60% chance of finishing in top 8 (Dragons are 97%, Panthers are 91%, Eels are 3%)
 11% chance of finishing in bottom 4 (Eels are 79%, Cowboys are 62%, Dragons are 0.1%)
 1% chance of wooden spoon (Eels are 36%, Cowboys are 18%, Panthers join the Dragons on 0%)
Key numbers after 11 rounds:
 2% chance of minor premiership (Dragons are 40%, Panthers are 19%, Eels are the first team to reach 0.00%)
 22% chance of finishing in top 4 (Dragons are 83%, Panthers are 64%, Eels are 0.2%)
 60% chance of finishing in top 8 (Dragons are 97%, Panthers are 91%, Eels are 3%)
 11% chance of finishing in bottom 4 (Eels are 79%, Cowboys are 62%, Dragons are 0.1%)
 1% chance of wooden spoon (Eels are 36%, Cowboys are 18%, Panthers join the Dragons on 0%)
I've been a member since 2012. We last played finals football in 2011. Just saying...
so, if we had beaten the Knights and Eels we'd be at 91% chance for a top 8 spot? bugger
Here's hoping we can start edging a bit closer this weekend with a win.
Here's hoping we can start edging a bit closer this weekend with a win.
The 2018 line is eerily close to the 2014 trajectory. Let’s hope this week is where it changes...Juro wrote: ↑Tue 22 May, 2018 7:51 amWell, we are still in the top 8, and our chances are still above 50%, but that is assuming we have a 50% chance of winning every game...
Key numbers after 11 rounds:
 2% chance of minor premiership (Dragons are 40%, Panthers are 19%, Eels are the first team to reach 0.00%)
 22% chance of finishing in top 4 (Dragons are 83%, Panthers are 64%, Eels are 0.2%)
 60% chance of finishing in top 8 (Dragons are 97%, Panthers are 91%, Eels are 3%)
 11% chance of finishing in bottom 4 (Eels are 79%, Cowboys are 62%, Dragons are 0.1%)
 1% chance of wooden spoon (Eels are 36%, Cowboys are 18%, Panthers join the Dragons on 0%)
Well we've managed to kick clear of 2014 for now, and continue our run above 50%. This is only the second year where we have been above 50% for all of our first 12 rounds. The other time was in our inaugural year, where we managed to last all the way until Round 23 before succumbing.
Key numbers after 12 rounds:
 3% chance of minor premiership (Panthers and Dragons are 27%, Bulldogs and Cowboys join the Eels on 0.00%)
 25% chance of finishing in top 4 (Panthers and Dragons are 72%, Eels are 0.04%)
 68% chance of finishing in top 8 (Panthers and Dragons are 95%, Eels are 1%)
 5% chance of finishing in bottom 4 (Eels are 85%, Cowboys are 69%, Dragons are 0.1%)
 0.2% chance of wooden spoon (Eels are 40%, Cowboys are 19%, Warriors are the 3rd team to reach 0.00%)
Key numbers after 12 rounds:
 3% chance of minor premiership (Panthers and Dragons are 27%, Bulldogs and Cowboys join the Eels on 0.00%)
 25% chance of finishing in top 4 (Panthers and Dragons are 72%, Eels are 0.04%)
 68% chance of finishing in top 8 (Panthers and Dragons are 95%, Eels are 1%)
 5% chance of finishing in bottom 4 (Eels are 85%, Cowboys are 69%, Dragons are 0.1%)
 0.2% chance of wooden spoon (Eels are 40%, Cowboys are 19%, Warriors are the 3rd team to reach 0.00%)
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Thanks, onwards and upwards.Juro wrote: ↑Tue 29 May, 2018 8:34 amWell we've managed to kick clear of 2014 for now, and continue our run above 50%. This is only the second year where we have been above 50% for all of our first 12 rounds. The other time was in our inaugural year, where we managed to last all the way until Round 23 before succumbing.
Key numbers after 12 rounds:
 3% chance of minor premiership (Panthers and Dragons are 27%, Bulldogs and Cowboys join the Eels on 0.00%)
 25% chance of finishing in top 4 (Panthers and Dragons are 72%, Eels are 0.04%)
 68% chance of finishing in top 8 (Panthers and Dragons are 95%, Eels are 1%)
 5% chance of finishing in bottom 4 (Eels are 85%, Cowboys are 69%, Dragons are 0.1%)
 0.2% chance of wooden spoon (Eels are 40%, Cowboys are 19%, Warriors are the 3rd team to reach 0.00%)
Thanks for this Juro. I find it quite interesting (yeah I know, I need to get out more)!
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Another win this week will really help to put the curve in a great position.
How do the byes impact on the curve? Are they taken into consideration?
How do the byes impact on the curve? Are they taken into consideration?
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When was the last time we have been in the top 8 from round 1 to now.
If we win this weekend we will have been in the top 8 for the first half of the season. Is this a first since the joint venture?
If we win this weekend we will have been in the top 8 for the first half of the season. Is this a first since the joint venture?