Cronulla Sharks being investigated over possible salary cap breaches

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Re: Cronulla Sharks being investigated over possible salary cap breaches

Post by Harvey » Fri 30 Nov, 2018 6:05 pm

They are in danger. Think the NRL would love nothing more than one club having the entire geographical area between arncliffe and Wollongong


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Post by TheDaBoss » Fri 30 Nov, 2018 6:16 pm

R.I.P sharks
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Post by NT Tiger » Fri 30 Nov, 2018 7:15 pm

Harvey wrote:
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They can’t move the sharks to Perth. It is not PC.

Given the number of people that have had extremities bitten off by sharks at beaches around that area, they would need a new name
The Perth lamprey?
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Post by Nelson » Fri 30 Nov, 2018 7:30 pm

NT Tiger wrote:
Fri 30 Nov, 2018 7:15 pm
Harvey wrote:
Fri 30 Nov, 2018 5:36 pm
They can’t move the sharks to Perth. It is not PC.

Given the number of people that have had extremities bitten off by sharks at beaches around that area, they would need a new name
The Perth lamprey?
The Perth Peptides?

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Post by Cairnstigers » Fri 30 Nov, 2018 7:35 pm

Cairnstigers wrote:
Thu 29 Nov, 2018 9:40 pm
How can sharks sign SJ
sure they have Holmes money but if the NRL come down on the sharks for salary cap breaches and reduce their cap then they may have to release a player or two to get Johnson

May be an opportunity to strike
Who would we want from the sharks if they need to release someone
Wade Graham ?
Or do we just go for SJ ourselves and look to offload Reynolds early

SJ must have a home for 2020
I think that will be us because of the Madge NZ coaching factor
Its 2019 that is the question with SJ
As much as the sharks might want him I can see it
I would not be surprised if Madge is working behind the scenes to make it happen
All he would need to do is find a home or another position for Reynolds
All this but also keeping in mind we need to re sign Brooks

Just my thoughts
sorry just found it posted in another topic

Found this on Nrl Leaks
TIGERS READY TO POUNCE ON WADE GRAHAM

Watch for the Wests Tigers to make a play for Cronulla co-captain Wade Graham.

New Tigers coach Michael Maguire is a massive fan, having previously attempted to lure the NSW Origin forward to Souths.

Graham is eager to remain at the Sharks, but is waiting for head coach Shane Flanagan to extend his future at the club.


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Post by Pawsandclaws » Sat 01 Dec, 2018 4:52 pm

From within the building industry the word is the Sharks' shopping precinct and new club is not going ahead. It was marketed to new residents on the basis these facilities would be built as it is isolated from everything except playing fields.

I can tell you there are a lot of angry residents who have watched while the amenity of the area has been destroyed for the ugly development which was built isolated from services, transport and located on reclaimed land on a flood plain.

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Post by happy tiger » Sat 01 Dec, 2018 5:25 pm

Harvey wrote:
Fri 30 Nov, 2018 6:23 am
krayola wrote:
Thu 29 Nov, 2018 10:07 pm
Bet their fans are happy about their premiership though.

Can’t believe they can’t find sponsors. They’ve been really successful the last few years and would have gained plenty of new fans.
They might be successful, but they are on the nose. Drug cheats, cap cheats, conspiracy theorists and their appeal restricted to a small patch of Sydney.

A coach more known for dummy spits than engagement and most publicity coming via stupid comments from their former captain.

One of their few marketable players just walked out.

Would you want your brand associated with that mess?
Some clubs have a no DH policy

Sharks have an all DH policy (bar Luke Lewis )

Doesn't help finding big bucks sponsors

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Post by guyofthetiger » Sat 01 Dec, 2018 5:33 pm

Over the cap one day, marquee signing the next.

Our priority really needs to be a new accountant.
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Post by guyofthetiger » Sat 01 Dec, 2018 5:34 pm

Cairnstigers wrote:
Fri 30 Nov, 2018 7:35 pm
Cairnstigers wrote:
Thu 29 Nov, 2018 9:40 pm
How can sharks sign SJ
sure they have Holmes money but if the NRL come down on the sharks for salary cap breaches and reduce their cap then they may have to release a player or two to get Johnson

May be an opportunity to strike
Who would we want from the sharks if they need to release someone
Wade Graham ?
Or do we just go for SJ ourselves and look to offload Reynolds early

SJ must have a home for 2020
I think that will be us because of the Madge NZ coaching factor
Its 2019 that is the question with SJ
As much as the sharks might want him I can see it
I would not be surprised if Madge is working behind the scenes to make it happen
All he would need to do is find a home or another position for Reynolds
All this but also keeping in mind we need to re sign Brooks

Just my thoughts
sorry just found it posted in another topic

Found this on Nrl Leaks
TIGERS READY TO POUNCE ON WADE GRAHAM

Watch for the Wests Tigers to make a play for Cronulla co-captain Wade Graham.

New Tigers coach Michael Maguire is a massive fan, having previously attempted to lure the NSW Origin forward to Souths.

Graham is eager to remain at the Sharks, but is waiting for head coach Shane Flanagan to extend his future at the club.

Graham is surely another injury prone player we pay to b3 on the sidelines...
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Post by happy tiger » Sat 01 Dec, 2018 6:08 pm

guyofthetiger wrote:
Sat 01 Dec, 2018 5:33 pm
Over the cap one day, marquee signing the next.

Our priority really needs to be a new accountant.
That's the issue , we don't know what season they were over the cap

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Post by Cairnstigers » Sat 01 Dec, 2018 9:22 pm

S J to the Sharks
After salary cap cheating and financial problems
The NRL is a Joke
That will do me
I just cant believe what I am seeing and hearing
Someone needs a slap over the back of the head
Wake up and save our game before it's to late
Stop this abomination of an NRL competition
Actually it is not just a competition
It is a stacked competition given the green light by the head of the NRL
I wonder if some of the decision makers are recieving brown paper bags because from where I sit it certainly looks like it
What a bunch of ₩@N€£R$

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Post by jirskyr » Sat 01 Dec, 2018 9:31 pm

Cairnstigers wrote:
Sat 01 Dec, 2018 9:22 pm
S J to the Sharks
After salary cap cheating and financial problems
The NRL is a Joke
That will do me
I just cant believe what I am seeing and hearing
Someone needs a slap over the back of the head
Wake up and save our game before it's to late
Stop this abomination of an NRL competition
Actually it is not just a competition
It is a stacked competition given the green light by the head of the NRL
I wonder if some of the decision makers are recieving brown paper bags because from where I sit it certainly looks like it
What a bunch of ₩@N€£R$
You do realise that the salary cap and financial stuff is as much media speculation as anything? Nobody has formally said how bad either situation might be. So you can't assume they are badly cheating the cap - not yet.

Sharks the club might be thinking that signing a popular guy like SJ may help with the revenues, e.g. sponsorship. And just because they let 10 people go, which definitely says they have money flow issues, but the NRL still provies an annual grant that covers the cost of wages.

So with Val Holmes leaving immediately and being on good becoming great money, it's not unreasonable that Sharks can afford SJ.

Remember they pay SJ in installments, they don't have to have all his salary to hand the day he signs on.

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Post by happy tiger » Sat 01 Dec, 2018 10:04 pm

jirskyr wrote:
Sat 01 Dec, 2018 9:31 pm
Cairnstigers wrote:
Sat 01 Dec, 2018 9:22 pm
S J to the Sharks
After salary cap cheating and financial problems
The NRL is a Joke
That will do me
I just cant believe what I am seeing and hearing
Someone needs a slap over the back of the head
Wake up and save our game before it's to late
Stop this abomination of an NRL competition
Actually it is not just a competition
It is a stacked competition given the green light by the head of the NRL
I wonder if some of the decision makers are recieving brown paper bags because from where I sit it certainly looks like it
What a bunch of ₩@N€£R$
You do realise that the salary cap and financial stuff is as much media speculation as anything? Nobody has formally said how bad either situation might be. So you can't assume they are badly cheating the cap - not yet.

Sharks the club might be thinking that signing a popular guy like SJ may help with the revenues, e.g. sponsorship. And just because they let 10 people go, which definitely says they have money flow issues, but the NRL still provies an annual grant that covers the cost of wages.

So with Val Holmes leaving immediately and being on good becoming great money, it's not unreasonable that Sharks can afford SJ.

Remember they pay SJ in installments, they don't have to have all his salary to hand the day he signs on.
They've lost Holmes ,Ramien ,Luke Lewis ,Leutele ,Joseph Paulo , Edrick Lee and Dillon

But if they want , we will quite happily take Kurt Capewell off their hands

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Post by Tiger Steve » Sat 01 Dec, 2018 11:04 pm

jirskyr wrote:
Sat 01 Dec, 2018 9:31 pm
Cairnstigers wrote:
Sat 01 Dec, 2018 9:22 pm
S J to the Sharks
After salary cap cheating and financial problems
The NRL is a Joke
That will do me
I just cant believe what I am seeing and hearing
Someone needs a slap over the back of the head
Wake up and save our game before it's to late
Stop this abomination of an NRL competition
Actually it is not just a competition
It is a stacked competition given the green light by the head of the NRL
I wonder if some of the decision makers are recieving brown paper bags because from where I sit it certainly looks like it
What a bunch of ₩@N€£R$
You do realise that the salary cap and financial stuff is as much media speculation as anything? Nobody has formally said how bad either situation might be. So you can't assume they are badly cheating the cap - not yet.

Sharks the club might be thinking that signing a popular guy like SJ may help with the revenues, e.g. sponsorship. And just because they let 10 people go, which definitely says they have money flow issues, but the NRL still provies an annual grant that covers the cost of wages.

So with Val Holmes leaving immediately and being on good becoming great money, it's not unreasonable that Sharks can afford SJ.

Remember they pay SJ in installments, they don't have to have all his salary to hand the day he signs on.
I think the problem stems from rosters. I know I look at certain rosters (Rorters, Sharks for example) then compare them to ours and think “what the ....” “How is this fair?” Then you look at everything that club does through the same lense - they must be cheating. It warps your objectivity.
There is so much inequality now and quite frankly it is pissing most people off. Go back through the 2018 world team thread and look at the number of Rorters players. It’s ridiculous. I don’t know how it has got to this. I accept that we have ourselves largely to blame for our lack of success but I can’t help feeling the NRL has no clue as to how many disengaged fans are out there - disengaged due to perceived inequality.
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Post by Cairnstigers » Sun 02 Dec, 2018 12:31 am

Tiger Steve wrote:
Sat 01 Dec, 2018 11:04 pm
jirskyr wrote:
Sat 01 Dec, 2018 9:31 pm
Cairnstigers wrote:
Sat 01 Dec, 2018 9:22 pm
S J to the Sharks
After salary cap cheating and financial problems
The NRL is a Joke
That will do me
I just cant believe what I am seeing and hearing
Someone needs a slap over the back of the head
Wake up and save our game before it's to late
Stop this abomination of an NRL competition
Actually it is not just a competition
It is a stacked competition given the green light by the head of the NRL
I wonder if some of the decision makers are recieving brown paper bags because from where I sit it certainly looks like it
What a bunch of ₩@N€£R$
You do realise that the salary cap and financial stuff is as much media speculation as anything? Nobody has formally said how bad either situation might be. So you can't assume they are badly cheating the cap - not yet.

Sharks the club might be thinking that signing a popular guy like SJ may help with the revenues, e.g. sponsorship. And just because they let 10 people go, which definitely says they have money flow issues, but the NRL still provies an annual grant that covers the cost of wages.

So with Val Holmes leaving immediately and being on good becoming great money, it's not unreasonable that Sharks can afford SJ.

Remember they pay SJ in installments, they don't have to have all his salary to hand the day he signs on.
I think the problem stems from rosters. I know I look at certain rosters (Rorters, Sharks for example) then compare them to ours and think “what the ....” “How is this fair?” Then you look at everything that club does through the same lense - they must be cheating. It warps your objectivity.
There is so much inequality now and quite frankly it is pissing most people off. Go back through the 2018 world team thread and look at the number of Rorters players. It’s ridiculous. I don’t know how it has got to this. I accept that we have ourselves largely to blame for our lack of success but I can’t help feeling the NRL has no clue as to how many disengaged fans are out there - disengaged due to perceived inequality.
Not perceived at all
It is fact
All you need to do is compare the top 17 players for Sharks and Roosters against our team
What the hell is the salary cap for
It cant be because the NRL is trying to stop clubs going bust
They just proved that with the SJ signing by the Sharks
Sure they let Val go but
Just look at the names in the clubs
You cant have two teams stacked with Australian team members and call it a fair and even competition

You dont need to be a genius to see that all the steps the NRL has taken to try and make a fair and even competition is clearly not working
And it's the rule makers that are the problem here

The issue is in the third party payments

All clubs have the same cap
The difference is the third party payments going to players above the cap
This third party payment should follow the player regardless of what club they play for
It shouldn't give a noticeable advantage to a particular club
Capping third party payments may be the answer

But why would the Nrl care what I think
I've only followed it for 45 Years
Played for leichhardt juniors and league is one of my big passions
But I am getting fed up with the way its going

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Post by Geo. » Sun 02 Dec, 2018 12:59 am

Or Wests Tigers pay overs for mediocre talent..
Wests Tigers don't need a Coach.. The playing group has taken over..
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Post by guyofthetiger » Sun 02 Dec, 2018 2:02 am

happy tiger wrote:
Sat 01 Dec, 2018 5:25 pm
Harvey wrote:
Fri 30 Nov, 2018 6:23 am
krayola wrote:
Thu 29 Nov, 2018 10:07 pm
Bet their fans are happy about their premiership though.

Can’t believe they can’t find sponsors. They’ve been really successful the last few years and would have gained plenty of new fans.
They might be successful, but they are on the nose. Drug cheats, cap cheats, conspiracy theorists and their appeal restricted to a small patch of Sydney.

A coach more known for dummy spits than engagement and most publicity coming via stupid comments from their former captain.

One of their few marketable players just walked out.

Would you want your brand associated with that mess?
Some clubs have a no DH policy

Sharks have an all DH policy (bar Luke Lewis )

Doesn't help finding big bucks sponsors

Haha yep too true.

It’ll be harder to put SJ in my fantasy team now that’s for sure.

Hopefully he fades on the Sharks back end of season like he has on all the rest of us every year...
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Post by guyofthetiger » Sun 02 Dec, 2018 2:05 am

happy tiger wrote:
Sat 01 Dec, 2018 6:08 pm
guyofthetiger wrote:
Sat 01 Dec, 2018 5:33 pm
Over the cap one day, marquee signing the next.

Our priority really needs to be a new accountant.
That's the issue , we don't know what season they were over the cap
To m, if you’ve been over e cap at any point in the recent past at least, then you’re still over untilpenance paid.

The benefit surely carries over even if it was one incident one year...
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