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Re: Todd Greenberg threatens to take NRL grand final interstate if Labor abandons stadium rebuildNRL CEO Todd Greenberg

Post by jadtiger » Wed 28 Nov, 2018 7:09 am

Snake wrote:
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To be honest putting the funds into hospitals and schools is far more important than rebuilding sports facilities that are not oldTo put it in poker terms greenberg is holding 2-7 offsuit and going all in pre flop
Agreed. We don't need more stadiums but we do need better hospital facilities. Take a walk through the children's oncology ward at POW Hospital and see what kids have to put up with. Greenberg is a lightweight and a disgrace. Threatening Government is dumb.
And why are these hospitals like this! do you think this has just happened this takes decades of poor spending on infrastructure who has been the one party that has been in power the most over the last 30 years !please give me a break ..build the stadiums to generate one billion dollars in revenue per year which then is poured back into schools and hospitals but then that is not socialism!
You will probably get the same revenue if you dont knock down existing stadiums which are fairly modern.Hospitals and schools need help now.


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Post by Pawsandclaws » Wed 28 Nov, 2018 7:19 am

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Mr Daley the Labor builder of infrastructure...wait he was roads minister for years and years :roll ..if you live in Sydney you certainly seen what Mr Daley and the Labor party built . Thank you Gladys for the vision and will to build the infrastructure that was run into the ground by successive Labor governments. Think what you want about the present government of NSW but they are having a big go into fixing 20 years of Labor in NSW doing nothing!
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Post by cktiger » Wed 28 Nov, 2018 8:25 am

Labor are supposed to stand for the working man but seem to hate sport - and if you think all the money saved will go to hospitals etc you are crazy. Expect new arts centres and funding for underground movies that no one will ever see to skyrocket.


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Post by Russell » Wed 28 Nov, 2018 8:30 am

Snake wrote:
Wed 28 Nov, 2018 6:44 am
Mr Daley the Labor builder of infrastructure...wait he was roads minister for years and years :roll ..if you live in Sydney you certainly seen what Mr Daley and the Labor party built . Thank you Gladys for the vision and will to build the infrastructure that was run into the ground by successive Labor governments. Think what you want about the present government of NSW but they are having a big go into fixing 20 years of Labor in NSW doing nothing!
There having a crack because they (Gladys Be- jelly-can) have sold all the government assets, farmed out toll roads to private enterprise and now have nothing else to sell. Worst Premier in the States history and that is saying something.

Good on you Todd - you have no idea. Take the GF to Brisbane (nowhere else is viable), play all the SOO in other states, that at least will ensure it is the end of you. Unfortunately it will be the end of the NRL as well. Great plan from a recognised pea brain.

Just saw thoughts above Paws - guess we are in tune somewhat.

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Post by TheDaBoss » Wed 28 Nov, 2018 9:00 am

Russell wrote:
Wed 28 Nov, 2018 8:30 am
Snake wrote:
Wed 28 Nov, 2018 6:44 am
Mr Daley the Labor builder of infrastructure...wait he was roads minister for years and years :roll ..if you live in Sydney you certainly seen what Mr Daley and the Labor party built . Thank you Gladys for the vision and will to build the infrastructure that was run into the ground by successive Labor governments. Think what you want about the present government of NSW but they are having a big go into fixing 20 years of Labor in NSW doing nothing!
There having a crack because they (Gladys Be- jelly-can) have sold all the government assets, farmed out toll roads to private enterprise and now have nothing else to sell. Worst Premier in the States history and that is saying something.

Good on you Todd - you have no idea. Take the GF to Brisbane (nowhere else is viable), play all the SOO in other states, that at least will ensure it is the end of you. Unfortunately it will be the end of the NRL as well. Great plan from a recognised pea brain.

Just saw thoughts above Paws - guess we are in tune somewhat.
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Post by Spartan117 » Wed 28 Nov, 2018 9:09 am

Marshmallow threats

Greenberg doesn't actually make decisions. He is the typical modern leader.

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Post by diedpretty » Wed 28 Nov, 2018 10:22 am

Snake wrote:
Wed 28 Nov, 2018 6:44 am
Mr Daley the Labor builder of infrastructure...wait he was roads minister for years and years :roll ..if you live in Sydney you certainly seen what Mr Daley and the Labor party built . Thank you Gladys for the vision and will to build the infrastructure that was run into the ground by successive Labor governments. Think what you want about the present government of NSW but they are having a big go into fixing 20 years of Labor in NSW doing nothing!
Yep and then sell it off to private companies plus sell anything else that isnt nailed to the ground.

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Post by gallagher » Wed 28 Nov, 2018 10:50 am

Russell wrote:
Wed 28 Nov, 2018 8:30 am
Snake wrote:
Wed 28 Nov, 2018 6:44 am
Mr Daley the Labor builder of infrastructure...wait he was roads minister for years and years :roll ..if you live in Sydney you certainly seen what Mr Daley and the Labor party built . Thank you Gladys for the vision and will to build the infrastructure that was run into the ground by successive Labor governments. Think what you want about the present government of NSW but they are having a big go into fixing 20 years of Labor in NSW doing nothing!
There having a crack because they (Gladys Be- jelly-can) have sold all the government assets, farmed out toll roads to private enterprise and now have nothing else to sell. Worst Premier in the States history and that is saying something.

Good on you Todd - you have no idea. Take the GF to Brisbane (nowhere else is viable), play all the SOO in other states, that at least will ensure it is the end of you. Unfortunately it will be the end of the NRL as well. Great plan from a recognised pea brain.

Just saw thoughts above Paws - guess we are in tune somewhat.
I don't see Brisbane as being the only viable option. Melb,Adelaide and Perth would all sell out and the biggest revenue is from the broadcast anyway. Taking the g/f on the road might actually freshen up a pretty stale code.
I can't stand Greenburg but at least he is sticking up for the game in this instance.

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Post by jirskyr » Wed 28 Nov, 2018 11:37 am

sheer64 wrote:
Wed 28 Nov, 2018 12:54 am
gallagher wrote:
Tue 27 Nov, 2018 11:11 pm
sheer64 wrote:
Tue 27 Nov, 2018 10:51 pm
jirskyr wrote:
Tue 27 Nov, 2018 9:39 pm

Yes yes, Northern Beaches Hospital a shining example of how to spend the tax-payer dollar well.

There is scope to fix / modify / renovate / rebuild stadia, especially if there is positive financial outcome from it. Events like State of Origina and Grand Final bring a lot of revenue to states, hence why places like Melbourne lobby to get a turn.

Also relative values - proposed upgrade of Stadia is what, $1.5B ($800M ANZ refurb, $700M SFS rebuild)? The health budget for NSW in 2018 is $25B. The new metros NW and SW total $12.5B investment. The light rail to Randwick and Kingsford - $2.2B. The new ICC - $1.5B (part of $3.4B total Darling Harbour revamp).
So 25b to service 8m people and 2.5b for 3 stadiums to service 150k people. Sounds like Labour will pull the plug on Allianz.
25b a year on health. 2.5b on stadiums that should last 30 years and make money for the govt.
25b x 30 years is 875b on health over the lifetime of the stadiums.
875b v 2.5b.
Just a comment that Labour will pull the plug to help win the election on votes. Dont really care each way, but would love to see the Rorters take a hit.
I agree with what you are saying, that Labor think canning the stadiums is purely to gain votes, nothing else. They feel there are enough disgruntled anti-stadium types in Sydney to make it a worthwhile campaign promise.

It was like Turnbull with the election promise to downgrade the NBN, now we have this crap Fibre-To-The-Node half-baked rollout that is still going to go massively over budget.

Or like an expressway of 2 lanes, which then costs $5B to expand 15 years later.

Spending budget surpluses on infrastructure is a good idea. Whether or not a particular piece of infrastructure is a good idea is subject to opinion, but reinvesting the money in physical and tangible benefits to the city is a good idea. It creates jobs, it improves the city, it caters for the inevitable population increases.

Personally I believe a world-class city like Sydney, with a massive population over 5M and pushing 8M in 20 years, should have a world-class stadium. In fact I believe it should have one 80-100K world-class and 1-2 smaller ones, which is the plan.

No we don't use Homebush to its full potential every week, which would be ideal, but you need somewhere that can host the premier attractions that Sydney pulls on a regular basis.

The average time to replace a stadium in US for football and baseball is 31 years. Homebush is already 20 years old. Question you have to ask is, if they don't refurb the stadium now (rather than a knockdown), will NSW have the funds in ~11 years to do the work then? It does have to happen eventually. It's the same with SFS which already is 30 years old.

And again I note that the government spent $1.5B to knock down and rebuild the ICC - the original ICC being constructed the same year as the SFS and in 2013 being deemed no longer adequate. Now sure you can keep the old ICC, you can say that conferences and performances don't matter more than hospitals and schools, but there is room for both without excluding one or the other. The ICC rebuild has given us a new 9000 seat theatre (and two smaller ones) plus a 3,600 grand ballroom - biggest in the city. It allows Sydney to draw in and host bigger events, which brings revenue.

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Post by jadtiger » Wed 28 Nov, 2018 11:48 am

Russell wrote:
Wed 28 Nov, 2018 8:30 am
Snake wrote:
Wed 28 Nov, 2018 6:44 am
Mr Daley the Labor builder of infrastructure...wait he was roads minister for years and years :roll ..if you live in Sydney you certainly seen what Mr Daley and the Labor party built . Thank you Gladys for the vision and will to build the infrastructure that was run into the ground by successive Labor governments. Think what you want about the present government of NSW but they are having a big go into fixing 20 years of Labor in NSW doing nothing!
There having a crack because they (Gladys Be- jelly-can) have sold all the government assets, farmed out toll roads to private enterprise and now have nothing else to sell. Worst Premier in the States history and that is saying something.

Good on you Todd - you have no idea. Take the GF to Brisbane (nowhere else is viable), play all the SOO in other states, that at least will ensure it is the end of you. Unfortunately it will be the end of the NRL as well. Great plan from a recognised pea brain.

Just saw thoughts above Paws - guess we are in tune somewhat.
Due to the current state government there will be 2 prime blocks of land to be sold if they get relected early next year.Both the old hospitals at Mona Vale and Manly are worth a fortune and i wouldnt be surprised if they are sold in a "dodgy" deal.Many people on the Northern Beaches are infuriated by the high handed manner the government have handled this.

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Post by hammertime » Wed 28 Nov, 2018 12:29 pm

diedpretty wrote:
Wed 28 Nov, 2018 10:22 am
Snake wrote:
Wed 28 Nov, 2018 6:44 am
Mr Daley the Labor builder of infrastructure...wait he was roads minister for years and years :roll ..if you live in Sydney you certainly seen what Mr Daley and the Labor party built . Thank you Gladys for the vision and will to build the infrastructure that was run into the ground by successive Labor governments. Think what you want about the present government of NSW but they are having a big go into fixing 20 years of Labor in NSW doing nothing!
Yep and then sell it off to private companies plus sell anything else that isnt nailed to the ground.
To be honest, building something with the benefit of being a monopoly then selling it off as a structured product or equities, with consumer protections, to people like the boomers to fund their retirements is a solid business model.

Why wouldn't you sell off poles and wires too when houses are moving towards self-sustainability with solar and battery? Give it a further decade of technological advancements and you possibly may not need connections to the mains.

Anyway, I digress. If this stadium funding is looking to get pulled, I'm worried about our COE funding via Canada Bay and the separate NSW state grant. I hope pascoe (and Canada Bay) are working very hard on getting the cheque in his hands before the next election. Hopefully, we've learned from Rozelle what happens when a Labor government gets into power.

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Post by Cultured Bogan » Wed 28 Nov, 2018 2:02 pm

I honestly believe that this is gold plated bull crap on the ALP's part.

If the current state government have already made agreements with the SCG Trust I believe they will take that to the election as a campaign promise, get elected and then backtrack saying that it will cost far more to weasel out of it than to just continue on.
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Post by Pawsandclaws » Wed 28 Nov, 2018 4:23 pm

Greenberg has gone off threatening the Labor Party with a wet lettuce. It doesn't seem to be a particularly astute play as it has the potential to seriously weaken the NRL position should the Opposition gain power.

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Post by colmcd » Wed 28 Nov, 2018 4:59 pm

gallagher wrote:
Tue 27 Nov, 2018 11:11 pm
sheer64 wrote:
Tue 27 Nov, 2018 10:51 pm
jirskyr wrote:
Tue 27 Nov, 2018 9:39 pm

Yes yes, Northern Beaches Hospital a shining example of how to spend the tax-payer dollar well.

There is scope to fix / modify / renovate / rebuild stadia, especially if there is positive financial outcome from it. Events like State of Origina and Grand Final bring a lot of revenue to states, hence why places like Melbourne lobby to get a turn.

Also relative values - proposed upgrade of Stadia is what, $1.5B ($800M ANZ refurb, $700M SFS rebuild)? The health budget for NSW in 2018 is $25B. The new metros NW and SW total $12.5B investment. The light rail to Randwick and Kingsford - $2.2B. The new ICC - $1.5B (part of $3.4B total Darling Harbour revamp).
So 25b to service 8m people and 2.5b for 3 stadiums to service 150k people. Sounds like Labour will pull the plug on Allianz.
25b a year on health. 2.5b on stadiums that should last 30 years and make money for the govt.
25b x 30 years is 875b on health over the lifetime of the stadiums.
875b v 2.5b.
Hospitals make money but indirect ways. Because it's indirect, it's hard to count and so isn't counted.

Think about it. If you have a local hospital, you don't have to travel as far. For each person in the hospital, there are sometimes as many visitors (some people get many, others get no one). If that saves 30 minutes off a journey then that's 30 minutes back into the economy.
Likewise if a hospital isn't rejecting someone, then they are more likely to fix them on the first trip.

The Northern beaches hospital is crap because it's a heavily privatised hospital. I see it everywhere, don't do anything in house. Contract everything out. Suddenly maintenance isn't yelling at an internal staff to unclog a sink, it's forms at 20 paces, 3 competitive quotes then 5 weeks for it to be fixed by someones cousin.
Over bureaucracy. Privitisation = Lots of Bureaucracy.

I can't justify us rebuilding 2 stadiums at all. ok I like my footy but we don't need these. Small bars and outlets where I can hear a band play, sure. Not stadiums. One stadium rebuild means Sydney gets a mega capacity venue, which makes sense. Two means we have two venues barely used most of the year.

Spend it on health, spend it on transport, spend it on anything else. Hey we could be talking 70 NRL teams for that same price (as Nathan Tinkler brought the Knights for 10 Million)

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Post by Russell » Wed 28 Nov, 2018 5:40 pm

gallagher wrote:
Wed 28 Nov, 2018 10:50 am
Russell wrote:
Wed 28 Nov, 2018 8:30 am
Snake wrote:
Wed 28 Nov, 2018 6:44 am
Mr Daley the Labor builder of infrastructure...wait he was roads minister for years and years :roll ..if you live in Sydney you certainly seen what Mr Daley and the Labor party built . Thank you Gladys for the vision and will to build the infrastructure that was run into the ground by successive Labor governments. Think what you want about the present government of NSW but they are having a big go into fixing 20 years of Labor in NSW doing nothing!
There having a crack because they (Gladys Be- jelly-can) have sold all the government assets, farmed out toll roads to private enterprise and now have nothing else to sell. Worst Premier in the States history and that is saying something.

Good on you Todd - you have no idea. Take the GF to Brisbane (nowhere else is viable), play all the SOO in other states, that at least will ensure it is the end of you. Unfortunately it will be the end of the NRL as well. Great plan from a recognised pea brain.

Just saw thoughts above Paws - guess we are in tune somewhat.
I don't see Brisbane as being the only viable option. Melb,Adelaide and Perth would all sell out and the biggest revenue is from the broadcast anyway. Taking the g/f on the road might actually freshen up a pretty stale code.
I can't stand Greenburg but at least he is sticking up for the game in this instance.
Yeah, just like Melbourne were struggling to get 26,621 at a preliminary final against the Tiger Sharks this year. Hopeless down there.

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Post by gallagher » Wed 28 Nov, 2018 6:04 pm

Russell wrote:
Wed 28 Nov, 2018 5:40 pm
gallagher wrote:
Wed 28 Nov, 2018 10:50 am
Russell wrote:
Wed 28 Nov, 2018 8:30 am
Snake wrote:
Wed 28 Nov, 2018 6:44 am
Mr Daley the Labor builder of infrastructure...wait he was roads minister for years and years :roll ..if you live in Sydney you certainly seen what Mr Daley and the Labor party built . Thank you Gladys for the vision and will to build the infrastructure that was run into the ground by successive Labor governments. Think what you want about the present government of NSW but they are having a big go into fixing 20 years of Labor in NSW doing nothing!
There having a crack because they (Gladys Be- jelly-can) have sold all the government assets, farmed out toll roads to private enterprise and now have nothing else to sell. Worst Premier in the States history and that is saying something.

Good on you Todd - you have no idea. Take the GF to Brisbane (nowhere else is viable), play all the SOO in other states, that at least will ensure it is the end of you. Unfortunately it will be the end of the NRL as well. Great plan from a recognised pea brain.

Just saw thoughts above Paws - guess we are in tune somewhat.
I don't see Brisbane as being the only viable option. Melb,Adelaide and Perth would all sell out and the biggest revenue is from the broadcast anyway. Taking the g/f on the road might actually freshen up a pretty stale code.
I can't stand Greenburg but at least he is sticking up for the game in this instance.
Yeah, just like Melbourne were struggling to get 26,621 at a preliminary final against the Tiger Sharks this year. Hopeless down there.
They'd get interstate fans like they have in origin games. Your not really comparing apples to aplpes.

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