Players who never reached their potential

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Re: Players who never reached their potential

Post by jadtiger » Sat 01 Dec, 2018 12:35 pm

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For us Dean Collis and Bronson Harrison I feel were let down by poor coaching at crucial stages of their career.

Collis was stuck on the right side where he had John Morris feeding him no ball for 3 years. Guy had the skills to be a first class center.

Bronson was woefully misued by Sheens. Went from being a 16 year old playing U/18s for NSW in the centers to playing first grade prop within 3 years. If he was kept as a wide running backrower would have been a great asset for us from 2008-2014.
Sheens really was the master at trying to put square pegs into round holes.He could coach but wrecked a few careers while he was with us.


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Post by Demps » Sat 01 Dec, 2018 12:45 pm

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I've watched NRL my whole life and to keep it short...

Krisnan Inu, Jarryd Hayne and more recently..... Our own Moses Mbye.

All the talent in the world but just seem to coast through games and never kick into gear and try their best..

Frustrates me.
Its funny some players have that look that they aren't trying , probably Mark Waugh is the greatest example modern day Australian sportsmen

I suppose the issue was (As Mark Waugh put it ) that they made it look so easy when they did get it right

Maybe that was their top gear ........

Its the blokes who waste it on the booze , don't give up the bungers , don't work hard at training etc that are the annoying ones
These guys aren't Cronks and Fittlers.

They're appear disinterested and go missing. Never inject themselves into the game... Whereas u got guys like Billy Slater and Latrell who go out and get involved, make themselves known to the enemy.

The different between the two types of players is blatant and frustrating.

Hopefully Mbye can change and be more active. Cos I wana see him succeed.
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Post by GNR4LIFE » Sat 01 Dec, 2018 1:06 pm

Willie Manu anyone? Hell of a player on his day.

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Post by gallagher » Sat 01 Dec, 2018 1:26 pm

Did Farah and Marshall go as far as they could? Around 2009/2010 I was expecting them to go to the level of Fittler, Lockyer etc but I don't think they quite got there.

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Post by steve-o » Sat 01 Dec, 2018 1:57 pm

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Did Farah and Marshall go as far as they could? Around 2009/2010 I was expecting them to go to the level of Fittler, Lockyer etc but I don't think they quite got there.
I think Marshall reached his potential, but didn’t stay there nearly as long as he could have... he became complacent around 2013 I reckon.

Farah reached his potential too but was held back from rep selections during his best years, because of the useless NSW selectors wanting a “tough” hooker like Ennis. Farah was always miles better than him. Farah’s career also got derailed with the Potter and Taylor circuses
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Post by Marshall_magic » Sat 01 Dec, 2018 2:16 pm

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Post by gallagher » Sat 01 Dec, 2018 3:03 pm

steve-o wrote:
Sat 01 Dec, 2018 1:57 pm
gallagher wrote:
Sat 01 Dec, 2018 1:26 pm
Did Farah and Marshall go as far as they could? Around 2009/2010 I was expecting them to go to the level of Fittler, Lockyer etc but I don't think they quite got there.
I think Marshall reached his potential, but didn’t stay there nearly as long as he could have... he became complacent around 2013 I reckon.

Farah reached his potential too but was held back from rep selections during his best years, because of the useless NSW selectors wanting a “tough” hooker like Ennis. Farah was always miles better than him. Farah’s career also got derailed with the Potter and Taylor circuses
Yeah, he got shafted for years by NSW.Do you think they were up there with the Fittlers etc?

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Post by happy tiger » Sat 01 Dec, 2018 5:17 pm

steve-o wrote:
Sat 01 Dec, 2018 1:57 pm
gallagher wrote:
Sat 01 Dec, 2018 1:26 pm
Did Farah and Marshall go as far as they could? Around 2009/2010 I was expecting them to go to the level of Fittler, Lockyer etc but I don't think they quite got there.
I think Marshall reached his potential, but didn’t stay there nearly as long as he could have... he became complacent around 2013 I reckon.

Farah reached his potential too but was held back from rep selections during his best years, because of the useless NSW selectors wanting a “tough” hooker like Ennis. Farah was always miles better than him. Farah’s career also got derailed with the Potter and Taylor circuses
Potter's circus ........ I can understand people's anger at Taylor but Potter , thought he did a good job brought in Bodene Thompson , Taupau and Austin all quality budget signings

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Post by Demps » Sat 01 Dec, 2018 5:19 pm

happy tiger wrote:
Sat 01 Dec, 2018 5:17 pm
steve-o wrote:
Sat 01 Dec, 2018 1:57 pm
gallagher wrote:
Sat 01 Dec, 2018 1:26 pm
Did Farah and Marshall go as far as they could? Around 2009/2010 I was expecting them to go to the level of Fittler, Lockyer etc but I don't think they quite got there.
I think Marshall reached his potential, but didn’t stay there nearly as long as he could have... he became complacent around 2013 I reckon.

Farah reached his potential too but was held back from rep selections during his best years, because of the useless NSW selectors wanting a “tough” hooker like Ennis. Farah was always miles better than him. Farah’s career also got derailed with the Potter and Taylor circuses
Potter's circus ........ I can understand people's anger at Taylor but Potter , thought he did a good job brought in Bodene Thompson , Taupau and Austin all quality budget signings
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Post by steve-o » Sun 02 Dec, 2018 1:07 am

happy tiger wrote:
Sat 01 Dec, 2018 5:17 pm
steve-o wrote:
Sat 01 Dec, 2018 1:57 pm
gallagher wrote:
Sat 01 Dec, 2018 1:26 pm
Did Farah and Marshall go as far as they could? Around 2009/2010 I was expecting them to go to the level of Fittler, Lockyer etc but I don't think they quite got there.
I think Marshall reached his potential, but didn’t stay there nearly as long as he could have... he became complacent around 2013 I reckon.

Farah reached his potential too but was held back from rep selections during his best years, because of the useless NSW selectors wanting a “tough” hooker like Ennis. Farah was always miles better than him. Farah’s career also got derailed with the Potter and Taylor circuses
Potter's circus ........ I can understand people's anger at Taylor but Potter , thought he did a good job brought in Bodene Thompson , Taupau and Austin all quality budget signings
I was referring to the Gordan Tallis “Potter-can’t-coach” saga.
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Post by steve-o » Sun 02 Dec, 2018 1:12 am

gallagher wrote:
Sat 01 Dec, 2018 3:03 pm
steve-o wrote:
Sat 01 Dec, 2018 1:57 pm
gallagher wrote:
Sat 01 Dec, 2018 1:26 pm
Did Farah and Marshall go as far as they could? Around 2009/2010 I was expecting them to go to the level of Fittler, Lockyer etc but I don't think they quite got there.
I think Marshall reached his potential, but didn’t stay there nearly as long as he could have... he became complacent around 2013 I reckon.

Farah reached his potential too but was held back from rep selections during his best years, because of the useless NSW selectors wanting a “tough” hooker like Ennis. Farah was always miles better than him. Farah’s career also got derailed with the Potter and Taylor circuses
Yeah, he got shafted for years by NSW.Do you think they were up there with the Fittlers etc?
Na they’re not up there with that caliber of player IMO - they are in the tier below for mine. If it weren’t for the issues above I think they could’ve got there
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Post by happy tiger » Sun 02 Dec, 2018 1:17 am

steve-o wrote:
Sun 02 Dec, 2018 1:07 am
happy tiger wrote:
Sat 01 Dec, 2018 5:17 pm
steve-o wrote:
Sat 01 Dec, 2018 1:57 pm
gallagher wrote:
Sat 01 Dec, 2018 1:26 pm
Did Farah and Marshall go as far as they could? Around 2009/2010 I was expecting them to go to the level of Fittler, Lockyer etc but I don't think they quite got there.
I think Marshall reached his potential, but didn’t stay there nearly as long as he could have... he became complacent around 2013 I reckon.

Farah reached his potential too but was held back from rep selections during his best years, because of the useless NSW selectors wanting a “tough” hooker like Ennis. Farah was always miles better than him. Farah’s career also got derailed with the Potter and Taylor circuses
Potter's circus ........ I can understand people's anger at Taylor but Potter , thought he did a good job brought in Bodene Thompson , Taupau and Austin all quality budget signings
I was referring to the Gordan Tallis “Potter-can’t-coach” saga.
Don't you mean the Farah "my coach is garbage" saga

Blame Tallis all you like , Robbie says nothing and we have no issue ...........

Anyway no need to bring up ancient history , can't be changed and the future is hopefully bright enough to wear shades at some stage

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Post by Geo. » Sun 02 Dec, 2018 4:18 am

It was more the holes in da fence that cost us 2015..looking good until that Dragons game..
Wests Tigers don't need a Coach.. The playing group has taken over..
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Post by maxxy86 » Sun 02 Dec, 2018 12:40 pm

happy tiger wrote:
Fri 30 Nov, 2018 3:24 pm
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For me, it's Owen Craigie. A totally insane talent with all the skills who was killing it in first grade at age 17.

He could score the winning try, kick the winning goal or create something out of nothing. A real pleasure to watch on his day.

Sadly, off field pressures and injuries limited what he achieved.
Still remember the night we came from 24-0 down against Newcastle at Ctown. Craigie beat them on his own. One of the best individual performances I have ever seen.
First time I ever gave up on us , turned over 10 minutes later expecting 36-0 ........ :sign:
B Galea playing at 6 and captain really stepped up that night I remember.
Well its nearly time to have a 'CRACK'....Go you :sign:

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Post by happy tiger » Sun 02 Dec, 2018 12:44 pm

maxxy86 wrote:
Sun 02 Dec, 2018 12:40 pm
happy tiger wrote:
Fri 30 Nov, 2018 3:24 pm
GNR4LIFE wrote:
Fri 30 Nov, 2018 9:37 am
Silentio wrote:
Fri 30 Nov, 2018 9:19 am
For me, it's Owen Craigie. A totally insane talent with all the skills who was killing it in first grade at age 17.

He could score the winning try, kick the winning goal or create something out of nothing. A real pleasure to watch on his day.

Sadly, off field pressures and injuries limited what he achieved.
Still remember the night we came from 24-0 down against Newcastle at Ctown. Craigie beat them on his own. One of the best individual performances I have ever seen.
First time I ever gave up on us , turned over 10 minutes later expecting 36-0 ........ :sign:
B Galea playing at 6 and captain really stepped up that night I remember.
Sort of embarrassing that Ben got mentioned in this thread

A bloke who drained every miniscule of his ability out of his body every week

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Post by maxxy86 » Sun 02 Dec, 2018 12:57 pm

steve-o wrote:
Sat 01 Dec, 2018 1:57 pm
gallagher wrote:
Sat 01 Dec, 2018 1:26 pm
Did Farah and Marshall go as far as they could? Around 2009/2010 I was expecting them to go to the level of Fittler, Lockyer etc but I don't think they quite got there.
I think Marshall reached his potential, but didn’t stay there nearly as long as he could have... he became complacent around 2013 I reckon.

Farah reached his potential too but was held back from rep selections during his best years, because of the useless NSW selectors wanting a “tough” hooker like Ennis. Farah was always miles better than him. Farah’s career also got derailed with the Potter and Taylor circuses
Very well put mate.
Well its nearly time to have a 'CRACK'....Go you :sign:

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Post by maxxy86 » Sun 02 Dec, 2018 12:59 pm

happy tiger wrote:
Sun 02 Dec, 2018 12:44 pm
maxxy86 wrote:
Sun 02 Dec, 2018 12:40 pm
happy tiger wrote:
Fri 30 Nov, 2018 3:24 pm
GNR4LIFE wrote:
Fri 30 Nov, 2018 9:37 am

Still remember the night we came from 24-0 down against Newcastle at Ctown. Craigie beat them on his own. One of the best individual performances I have ever seen.
First time I ever gave up on us , turned over 10 minutes later expecting 36-0 ........ :sign:
B Galea playing at 6 and captain really stepped up that night I remember.
Sort of embarrassing that Ben got mentioned in this thread

A bloke who drained every miniscule of his ability out of his body every week
Yeah I went off topic there happy.... but Ben was one of my favourite players all time at the tigers.
Well its nearly time to have a 'CRACK'....Go you :sign:

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Post by happy tiger » Mon 03 Dec, 2018 1:20 am

maxxy86 wrote:
Sun 02 Dec, 2018 12:59 pm
happy tiger wrote:
Sun 02 Dec, 2018 12:44 pm
maxxy86 wrote:
Sun 02 Dec, 2018 12:40 pm
happy tiger wrote:
Fri 30 Nov, 2018 3:24 pm


First time I ever gave up on us , turned over 10 minutes later expecting 36-0 ........ :sign:
B Galea playing at 6 and captain really stepped up that night I remember.
Sort of embarrassing that Ben got mentioned in this thread

A bloke who drained every miniscule of his ability out of his body every week
Yeah I went off topic there happy.... but Ben was one of my favourite players all time at the tigers.
Loved him as well Maxxy

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