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Forget about damage to rugby league – what about damage to women?

Post by Geo. » Tue 11 Dec, 2018 6:37 am

Forget about damage to rugby league – what about damage to women?
Andrew Webster
By Andrew Webster
10 December 2018 — 8:00pm

When he wants to, Jarryd Hayne can display the outward emotion of an Easter Island statue.

He’s done it in press conferences after State of Origin matches, win or lose. He’s done it when the result at the NRL judiciary hasn’t gone his way. He’s done it when he’s fronted Kings Cross police station after someone’s tried to shoot him following a drunken argument at McDonald’s as they did in 2008. He’s even done it when announcing he’s signed with the San Francisco 49ers in the NFL.

And there he was on Monday morning, the crestfallen football superstar, expressionless and unreadable as ever as he emerged from a gun-metal grey Toyota RAV4 and elbowed his way through a phalanx of reporters and cameramen into Burwood Local Court.

Hayne’s veteran manager, Wayne Beavis, 77, was in tow, as he has been for most of Hayne’s career since Beavis went to Sydney’s western suburbs and found a 16-year-old in possession of a killer sidestep and promptly signed him.

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Minutes after Hayne appeared, his mother, Jodie, and father, the former Fiji and South Sydney winger Manoa Thompson, hastily entered the court house.

In 2009, Hayne took Jodie as his date to the Dally M awards at the NSW State Theatre. When he was later that night crowned the player of the year following a standout season for Parramatta, his mum reflected on how far they had both come since the days of living in housing commission.

“Life was tough,” she said tearily to this column. “Because I was a young mother and had a half-caste child, people would look down at me.”

Hayne was the best player in the world that night. He’d achieved what no other player has done since: he made Billy Slater the second-best fullback in the game.

That high watermark of Hayne’s life seemed an eternity ago on Monday as Hayne, his parents, manager and legal team were sardined into a packed courtroom as he faced, for the first time, rape charges following an incident involving a woman in the Hunter Valley on September 30 – the night of the NRL grand final.

The hearing was over in a matter of minutes. Hayne wasn’t required to speak nor did he enter a plea. He will next appear in court in Newcastle on February 13.

On the steps of the court, his lawyer, Leo Permutico, said: “Mr Hayne maintains his innocence, a plea of not guilty will be entered”.

Hayne stood alongside him, Easter Island statue-like, and offered nothing to reporters before making his way towards the sanctuary of the RAV4 parked on the street.

“These are serious charges, Jarryd!” declared one reporter. “Are you worried about your career?”

The last thing that should be on Hayne’s mind right now is the next contract, the next jumper he will play in.

The charge of aggravated sexual assault, which he received after allegedly biting the woman on her genital area, causing severe bleeding and requiring medical attention, is as serious as it gets. If found guilty, he faces a maximum jail period of 20 years.

Hayne’s court appearance has been conveniently grouped with other off-field incidents involving rugby league players in the past week.

On Tuesday, Manly’s Dylan Walker will appear in Manly Local Court after he was charged last Thursday with domestic-related common assault and assault occasioning actual bodily harm.

It’s alleged Walker’s fiancee, Alexandra Ivkovic, was assaulted in the street while holding the couple’s four-month-old son. She was seen to by paramedics at the scene and is now living with her family.

Days later, Wests Tigers recruit Zane Musgrove and Penrith halfback Liam Coleman were charged with numerous offences, including aggravated indecent assault, following a night out at the Coogee Bay Hotel last month. The pair were granted conditional bail to appear at Waverley Local Court on January 23.

These incidents come as the NRL takes part in a global campaign to thwart domestic violence.

On Monday afternoon, it fired off a media release that declared: “For the past 16 days, the NRL has utilised its voice and reach to encourage communities to take action to prevent violence as part of the global UN-led 16 days of activism against gender-based violence campaign … As a game and a community, we endeavour to create a standard of behaviour and culture around respect towards women that runs through our rugby league clubs but also our schools, workplaces and society as a whole. Let’s start the conversation.”

Some rugby league players started the conversation long ago, not with their words but their actions.

Those actions speak to an appalling and demeaning attitude towards women, despite the hours of education and welfare and support they receive from the NRL and their clubs that is rarely afforded to other walks of life.

Some people are concerned about the damage these latest incidents involving women are doing to the image of the game. Perhaps it’s time people start being more concerned about the damage rugby league players are doing to women.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/forget ... 1544435735
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Post by Geo. » Tue 11 Dec, 2018 6:38 am

Good Article....

Forget RL... pull ya heads in ya dropkicks..
Wests Tigers don't need a Coach.. The playing group has taken over..
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Post by Doc Tiger » Tue 11 Dec, 2018 7:10 am

Absolutely, these low lifes are everywhere. It's a shame the game cops it, but unless severe punishments are handed down, nothing will change. Here's a thought, bugger the second chance. You get found out for beating, biting, glassing, harassing or in any way, shape or form abusing man woman or child off the field, then you're gone. Forever.

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Post by formerguest » Tue 11 Dec, 2018 7:23 am

Hear hear!

Another way to look at this, particularly with Hayne's profile, is that it gets the issue out there front and center. There would probably be a number of members on here that have inflicted violence upon woman in their lives, so if they are not confronted by their mates to tell them to stop, they will at least be aware from their fellow forumers that predation upon their partner or others is just not on.

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Post by innsaneink » Tue 11 Dec, 2018 7:29 am

What's the relevance of the bold red text?

Four out of how many?
16x30=?
Yes, four is four too many... But this isn't just a RL issue... It's a social issue


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Post by Geo. » Tue 11 Dec, 2018 7:39 am

innsaneink wrote:
Tue 11 Dec, 2018 7:29 am
What's the relevance of the bold red text?

Four out of how many?
16x30=?
Yes, four is four too many... But this isn't just a RL issue... It's a social issue
Article states the Musgrove was charged days later after the Walker incident but his incident occurred last Month..his signing was announced on the 22nd of November..just wondering if it occurred prior to that date or after...between the 22nd and the 30th of November or in October ..was some conjecture..
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Post by Cultured Bogan » Tue 11 Dec, 2018 8:02 am

innsaneink wrote:
Tue 11 Dec, 2018 7:29 am
What's the relevance of the bold red text?

Four out of how many?
16x30=?
Yes, four is four too many... But this isn't just a RL issue... It's a social issue
Of course it is a bigger issue than the game, but when it is mentioned in Rugby League terms, it's always about players thinking about the effect it has on the game. If you're a player and you're not harassing women just because you're worried about the effect it has on the club or the game, well you're on the wrong horse and missing the problem entirely.
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Post by jadtiger » Tue 11 Dec, 2018 8:06 am

I wonder if that dope Greenberg still thinks any publicity is good publicity?This is what happens when you accept domestic violence and allow players to continue their career without consequences for their actions.
Greenie has been far too soft for too long anything he does now will be a complete knee jerk reaction.How could anyone honestly believe the NRL are genuine about "Women in league" under our current administration?
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Post by Cultured Bogan » Tue 11 Dec, 2018 8:09 am

Maybe having a chat with the women in positions within the game might be a good start. Would be interested to hear their opinions on a game that appears to condone domestic & sexual violence.
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Post by yeti » Tue 11 Dec, 2018 8:40 am

Doc Tiger wrote:
Tue 11 Dec, 2018 7:10 am
Absolutely, these low lifes are everywhere. It's a shame the game cops it, but unless severe punishments are handed down, nothing will change. Here's a thought, bugger the second chance. You get found out for beating, biting, glassing, harassing or in any way, shape or form abusing man woman or child off the field, then you're gone. Forever.
That'll do me!
A bit like when Jim Comans 'cleaned up' the game a few decades ago by basically putting a couple of 'thugs' out of the game for good. This needs to happen before it sinks in with some of these dimwits.
The game doesn't need these lowlifes and nor does society.

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Post by jadtiger » Tue 11 Dec, 2018 8:54 am

yeti wrote:
Tue 11 Dec, 2018 8:40 am
Doc Tiger wrote:
Tue 11 Dec, 2018 7:10 am
Absolutely, these low lifes are everywhere. It's a shame the game cops it, but unless severe punishments are handed down, nothing will change. Here's a thought, bugger the second chance. You get found out for beating, biting, glassing, harassing or in any way, shape or form abusing man woman or child off the field, then you're gone. Forever.
That'll do me!
A bit like when Jim Comans 'cleaned up' the game a few decades ago by basically putting a couple of 'thugs' out of the game for good. This needs to happen before it sinks in with some of these dimwits.
The game doesn't need these lowlifes and nor does society.
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Post by Byron Bay Fan » Tue 11 Dec, 2018 9:02 am

Look at it through the context of Hayne's life. No father, maybe bad self image due to being a half caste that was stigmatised in that era as his mum states, were there any good role models for him? We know that some of those housing commission estates are far out. His schoolmates said that he was not very bright. He needed positive vibes in his life but they were not there. Other people can have the same experience but hold up okay due someone being strong and positive for them. I hope he avoids the lock up somehow.

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Post by Silentio » Tue 11 Dec, 2018 9:15 am

If thr NRL were fair dinkum, they wouldn't allow some of these grubs to keep playing our game.

Yet they do, again, again and again.

Matt Lodge is a great case. The NRL's own gender adviser labelled it: 'one of the most disturbing cases I've ever reviewed' -

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-05/ ... er/9510634.

This wasn't in footy's dark ages, it was this year. And the bloke's now on the cusp of playing origin.

The NRL is desperately scrambling to appease more socially conscious sponsors and get women watching the game, because it's currently dying.

These sycophants don't have the courage or clout to back up their PR fluff.

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Post by NT Tiger » Tue 11 Dec, 2018 9:19 am

Silentio wrote:
Tue 11 Dec, 2018 9:15 am
If thr NRL were fair dinkum, they wouldn't allow some of these grubs to keep playing our game.

Yet they do, again, again and again.

Matt Lodge is a great case. The NRL's own gender adviser labelled it: 'one of the most disturbing cases I've ever reviewed' -

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-05/ ... er/9510634.

This wasn't in footy's dark ages, it was this year. And the bloke's now on the cusp of playing origin.

The NRL is desperately scrambling to appease more socially conscious sponsors and get women watching the game, because it's currently dying.

These sycophants don't have the courage or clout to back up their PR fluff.
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Post by Pawsandclaws » Tue 11 Dec, 2018 12:56 pm

The future Mrs Walker to retract statement to Police. Think carefully young lady not only about this decision but about your future. This is appalling.

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Post by happy tiger » Tue 11 Dec, 2018 12:58 pm

Geo. wrote:
Tue 11 Dec, 2018 6:38 am
Good Article....

Forget RL... pull ya heads in ya dropkicks..
Look at the Rabbitohs links

Manoa Thompson Souths
Craig Coleman Souths
Zane Musgrave Souths
Dylan Walker Souths
Jarryd Hayne Loser =Souths

Throw em out of the comp

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Post by NT Tiger » Tue 11 Dec, 2018 1:11 pm

Pawsandclaws wrote:
Tue 11 Dec, 2018 12:56 pm
The future Mrs Walker to retract statement to Police. Think carefully young lady not only about this decision but about your future. This is appalling.
Agree. Potentially signing up for a miserable life.
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Post by Telltails » Tue 11 Dec, 2018 2:00 pm

NT Tiger wrote:
Tue 11 Dec, 2018 1:11 pm
Pawsandclaws wrote:
Tue 11 Dec, 2018 12:56 pm
The future Mrs Walker to retract statement to Police. Think carefully young lady not only about this decision but about your future. This is appalling.
Agree. Potentially signing up for a miserable life.
Wouldnt be the first partner of a sportsman to retatract an accusation.
The emotional connection to her partner, and the impact on the famiy if found guilty turns their world upside down.
You have to wonder if she is also feeling pressure to make this go away.

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