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Re: Tigers set to part ways with Cleary and seal Bennett deal

Post by innsaneink » Fri 12 Oct, 2018 5:54 am

sideline eye wrote:
Thu 11 Oct, 2018 10:26 pm
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Thu 11 Oct, 2018 5:40 pm
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Thu 11 Oct, 2018 11:23 am

I actually don't believe the silence predicts either direction for Ivan.

I would expect that the consistent and widespread media noise about Penrith making an offer to Ivan tells you that's probably true. There's a point where media speculation coalesces and all the outlets start to have roughly the same message, at which time you normally get an exclusive followed by a formal club announcement.

Right now the deal of Ivan to Penrith can only be from 2021 onwards, so if Ivan had accepted and Penrith were happy, the Panthers would have made an announcement already. If Ivan had knocked them back, Penrith probably would have made a statement confirming Ciraldo will be their head coach 2019 - has this happened? (I don't keep up with Panthers press releases).

I therefore believe lack of announcement for Penrith means an offer has been made, but the details aren't finalised because they are dependent on Tigers, and Tigers are working out their conditions of release.

Lack of announcement from Tigers does mean there is nothing to say - but that could mean no change or changes pending finalisation. It's only been a few weeks since the season ended for all the clubs concerned and Broncos announced they were not renewing Bennett, so likely Tigers are considering their options before they make the decision on Ivan. I would suspect that if Ivan was 100% definite to be coach in 2019, Tigers would have released a press statement by now, just ahead of the pre-season. They are clearly in press statement mode given the announcements about roster and development players.

So my personal take is that Penrith have probably made a deal, Tigers are open to negotiations, but it's all hinging on Tigers making a deal with a new coach (something that requires due diligence and time) and Penrith compensating Tigers in some form. Ivan being on holiday suggests his involvement is done, i.e. both clubs already know his position and are working out the details between themselves.

I would not be surprised at all if part of the deal means Tigers make the first announcement, followed rapidly by Penrith announcing the move of Cleary to Penrith for 2019, likely before end of October.
Penrith did announce that their board have approved Cameron Ciraldo as head coach for 2019. It was some weeks ago.
I'm not sure about that (happy to be corrected) I did hear Gus say off the cuff Ciraldo would be instated as coach for next year .. At the time it hadn't occurred
This is what I was going on:

“I don’t see any need to change anything we’ve been doing for the last five or six weeks,” Gould said on the Six Tackles with Gus podcast.

“I’ve been very impressed with Cameron Ciraldo and the academy staff and we threw everything in our academy at the NRL preparation.

“They did an outstanding job, I was really impressed with them.” Ciraldo is contracted for next season after serving as an assistant under Griffin.

On Wednesday it was reported that the club’s board had rubber-stamped his ascension to the top job on a full-time basis. /www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/panthers/came ... 57d408559c
Yeah...thats the same thing I read, not what I would call concrete and definitive. Seems rather open ended and theres been no official confirmation that Ciraldo would be head NRL coach next year. that would be pretty damned disrespectful if theyre leaving his announcement at that...a Gus Podcast
Lets not forget these are Goulds words, known BS artist extraordinaire


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Post by bathursttiger » Fri 12 Oct, 2018 5:59 am

If Bennett decides to stay at Broncos for 2019, and we sign Madge and Seibold re-signs with Souths it then limits the Broncos to Walters (who they gave knocked back before) or Demetriou.
I don’t think that they will like those options therefore they could release Bennett and sign Madge for 2019.
That’s is Ivan does go to Penrith in 2019, which looks more likely than not.

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Post by Harvey » Fri 12 Oct, 2018 6:46 am

Not sure an ultimatum would help get Bennett. If the broncos roster plays up to its potential next year, uncle will not be short of suitors

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Post by helmesy » Fri 12 Oct, 2018 7:08 am

Harvey wrote:
Fri 12 Oct, 2018 6:46 am
Not sure an ultimatum would help get Bennett. If the broncos roster plays up to its potential next year, uncle will not be short of suitors
I’m not so sure about that, especially given his age. This could be his last opportunity for all we know.

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Post by The Patriot » Fri 12 Oct, 2018 7:43 am

Tiger Steve wrote:
Thu 11 Oct, 2018 10:47 pm
I get the Bennett magic, experience etc. and I’ve heard many times that his players love him. But isn’t anyone concerned that he’s getting a bit old? Maybe it’s not an issue but everyone fades with time. I’m not against him coming but I’m just a bit hesitant.

A lot of people i know have the same concern. Is he too old?

Its hard to tell but if we had any doubts it makes no sense then to wait another year before signing him. He would only be another year older.
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Post by Abraham » Fri 12 Oct, 2018 8:04 am

My 2 cents ...

If we get Bennett we get a coach who is the best the game has seen, has had results everywhere he has coached, and would attract players who otherwise would not see our club as a potential home.

If we get Madge we get a coach who has had success with one club, playing a certain type of footy, that he cannot replicate at the Tigers. The fact he hasn't coached anywhere else since means we don't know if he has been able to update his playbook, and we don't know if he can develop a style of coaching that would work at the Tigers. He is more of a gamble than Bennett.

I know i am in the minority, but i would keep Ivan for another year if it means definitely getting Bennett in 2020. It wouldn't be the first time, or the last time, a coach is signed elsewhere for the next season.

If everything is cleared up and the players know who is coaching and what the plan is, then they can put their heads down and concentrate on playing footy next year.

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Post by avocadoontoast » Fri 12 Oct, 2018 8:15 am

momo&medo wrote:
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Thu 11 Oct, 2018 10:22 pm
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It has to be 2019 for Bennett or move on to someone else.
It doesn’t have to be anything. Eating 12 months for Bennett would work out fine.
I'm not sure we should be prepared to sacrifice another year.

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Post by diedpretty » Fri 12 Oct, 2018 8:26 am

The Patriot wrote:
Thu 11 Oct, 2018 7:16 pm
Wests Tigers have made a lot of dumb decision in their short and uneventful history but keeping Ivan Cleary on as coach for 2019 will rank up there as the worst of them all.

Management might be peddling that line as some sort of legal view point but reality is that the majority of fans, media, players, other coaches and staff just wont cop it.

Would be an absolute disaster.
I would think he is gone. As for the club, as others have said they just can't come out and say " Ivan is gone and we are looking for a new coach". They won't make any announcement until everything is finalised - new coach signed, deal finalised with Penrith and a big boot purchased to kick Ivan up the rear as he leaves.

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Post by Harvey » Fri 12 Oct, 2018 8:30 am

avocadoontoast wrote:
Fri 12 Oct, 2018 8:15 am
momo&medo wrote:
Fri 12 Oct, 2018 1:07 am
gallagher wrote:
Thu 11 Oct, 2018 10:22 pm
WT2K wrote:
Thu 11 Oct, 2018 10:11 pm
It has to be 2019 for Bennett or move on to someone else.
It doesn’t have to be anything. Eating 12 months for Bennett would work out fine.
I'm not sure we should be prepared to sacrifice another year.
With our recruitment, I think we already have. I am not sure it is sacrificing a year, but rather performing as usual.

Let Cleary coach from the start of the year and if the team is not performing, let him resign and appoint Hodgo, Benji and Robbie as the caretakers

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Post by supercoach » Fri 12 Oct, 2018 8:33 am

The Patriot wrote:
Fri 12 Oct, 2018 7:43 am
Tiger Steve wrote:
Thu 11 Oct, 2018 10:47 pm
I get the Bennett magic, experience etc. and I’ve heard many times that his players love him. But isn’t anyone concerned that he’s getting a bit old? Maybe it’s not an issue but everyone fades with time. I’m not against him coming but I’m just a bit hesitant.

A lot of people i know have the same concern. Is he too old?

Its hard to tell but if we had any doubts it makes no sense then to wait another year before signing him. He would only be another year older.

Not worried about the age factor, as a head coach your a people manager and motivator. The actual day to day coaching is done by his team of assistants.

Although I am not sure uncle Wayne still has that god like status with the lastest generation of footballers. Once thing for certain he would put our brand name in the spotlight

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Post by avocadoontoast » Fri 12 Oct, 2018 8:36 am

Harvey wrote:
Fri 12 Oct, 2018 8:30 am
avocadoontoast wrote:
Fri 12 Oct, 2018 8:15 am
momo&medo wrote:
Fri 12 Oct, 2018 1:07 am
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Thu 11 Oct, 2018 10:22 pm


It has to be 2019 for Bennett or move on to someone else.
It doesn’t have to be anything. Eating 12 months for Bennett would work out fine.
I'm not sure we should be prepared to sacrifice another year.
With our recruitment, I think we already have. I am not sure it is sacrificing a year, but rather performing as usual.

Let Cleary coach from the start of the year and if the team is not performing, let him resign and appoint Hodgo, Benji and Robbie as the caretakers
I agree with you on the first point, however, getting in a new long term coach immediately at least means moving swimming in the right direction, rather than treading water/drowning for another 12 months. There is zero benefit for us to have Cleary at the club any more.

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Post by Cultured Bogan » Fri 12 Oct, 2018 8:41 am

I know what Bennett can bring, but I am not so sure we can wait a year for him. I don't think it is useful to have Cleary here for just one season when he'll have one, if not both, eyes on Penrith, and I don't want to see a year pissed away with a caretaker coach. Hodgo is great bloke and my favourite WT player but he is not what we need as a coach at the moment.

If Bennett cannot be here next year, it has to be Madge or Toovs.
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Post by goldcoast tiger » Fri 12 Oct, 2018 8:42 am

TYGA wrote:
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IF the Tigers want Bennett this is smart business come now or don’t come at all. Broncos don’t want him he wants one ast year with a gun up and coming squad to boost his stocks. Perhaps take over Souths or Parra next year. I’d lean towards Madge personally but if it’s our call between the two hats off to the leadership this was well played.
That’s why he won’t come here this next season

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Post by diedpretty » Fri 12 Oct, 2018 8:42 am

Tiger Steve wrote:
Thu 11 Oct, 2018 10:47 pm
I get the Bennett magic, experience etc. and I’ve heard many times that his players love him. But isn’t anyone concerned that he’s getting a bit old? Maybe it’s not an issue but everyone fades with time. I’m not against him coming but I’m just a bit hesitant.
I've thought this as well - the guy will be 70 in 2020 and we are looking at offering a long term deal.

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Post by kafta » Fri 12 Oct, 2018 8:47 am

avocadoontoast wrote:
Fri 12 Oct, 2018 8:15 am
momo&medo wrote:
Fri 12 Oct, 2018 1:07 am
gallagher wrote:
Thu 11 Oct, 2018 10:22 pm
WT2K wrote:
Thu 11 Oct, 2018 10:11 pm
It has to be 2019 for Bennett or move on to someone else.
It doesn’t have to be anything. Eating 12 months for Bennett would work out fine.
I'm not sure we should be prepared to sacrifice another year.
With our current roster for 2019 it look's like we already have.

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Post by gallagher » Fri 12 Oct, 2018 9:51 am

momo&medo wrote:
Fri 12 Oct, 2018 1:07 am
gallagher wrote:
Thu 11 Oct, 2018 10:22 pm
WT2K wrote:
Thu 11 Oct, 2018 10:11 pm
It has to be 2019 for Bennett or move on to someone else.
It doesn’t have to be anything. Eating 12 months for Bennett would work out fine.
I just hate the idea of wasting another year waiting for the next year to come.

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Post by AnnandaleTiger » Fri 12 Oct, 2018 9:52 am

Anybody got this article on the Australian - Brisbane Broncos close on Wayne Bennett's replacement

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Post by The Patriot » Fri 12 Oct, 2018 9:56 am

diedpretty wrote:
Fri 12 Oct, 2018 8:26 am
The Patriot wrote:
Thu 11 Oct, 2018 7:16 pm
Wests Tigers have made a lot of dumb decision in their short and uneventful history but keeping Ivan Cleary on as coach for 2019 will rank up there as the worst of them all.

Management might be peddling that line as some sort of legal view point but reality is that the majority of fans, media, players, other coaches and staff just wont cop it.

Would be an absolute disaster.
I would think he is gone. As for the club, as others have said they just can't come out and say " Ivan is gone and we are looking for a new coach". They won't make any announcement until everything is finalised - new coach signed, deal finalised with Penrith and a big boot purchased to kick Ivan up the rear as he leaves.

Ill donate to the boot fund if needed.
Its an opinion!

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