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Re: Tigers set to part ways with Cleary and seal Bennett deal

Post by Masterton » Fri 12 Oct, 2018 9:59 am

AnnandaleTiger wrote:
Fri 12 Oct, 2018 9:52 am
Anybody got this article on the Australian - Brisbane Broncos close on Wayne Bennett's replacement
Brisbane could be just weeks away from naming a replacement for Wayne Bennett after beginning the formal process of identifying their next coach from a field that is believed to include South Sydney’s Anthony Seibold, Queensland State of Origin coach Kevin Walters and premiership winner Michael Maguire.

It is understood the Broncos studied rival clubs and sports before finalising a plan for appointing Bennett’s replacement. The seven-time premiership winner has been told next season will be his last as the club’s head coach.

An option for Bennett is Wests Tigers. Talks have been held and Bennett is believed to have outlined his terms to the Tigers.

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Seibold is still considered the favourite for the job, although Souths are working hard to extend his current deal beyond the end of next season after a superb debut year in which he led the Rabbitohs to the preliminary final.

Walters has long coveted the role and has an agreement with the Queensland Rugby League that they will not stand in his way should an NRL head coaching job come his way.

Maguire is in the sights of a few clubs but has a clear preference for Brisbane, where he would take over a roster many believe is primed to win a premiership.

Brisbane assistant Jason ­Demetriou is also expected to be interviewed given he is already in the system and in the eyes of many is ready to become an NRL coach.

It is believed the Broncos would prefer not to drag out the process, which could mean they are in position to name Bennett’s successor relatively quickly. The result is likely to have ramifications across the game.

Walters would be unlikely to remain as Queensland coach should he return to the Broncos.

That would leave the QRL to find a new coach of the Maroons. North Queensland’s Paul Green is among those who would be likely to figure in discussions given he has made it known he would like to try his hand in Origin.

Bennett, in the interim, has his own future to sort out. It is understood he has outlined his terms to the Tigers as part of a three-year deal that would result in him taking over from Ivan Cleary, most likely at the end of next year.

Cleary is yet to inform the ­Tigers of his plans but the sense is that he wants to join his son Nathan at Penrith. The Panthers have tabled a lucrative deal from 2021.

The Tigers are likely to cut him loose earlier than that, although exactly when could depend on Bennett’s plans.

It is understood talks with the Broncos coach have centred largely around the 2020 season. He has another year on his deal at Brisbane and has indicated he wants to finish his contract.

That could be a deal-breaker, meaning Maguire would jump to the head of the Tigers’ queue.

The Tigers are due to begin pre-season training early next month and are likely to want the matter settled before then, ­although the situation is made more difficult by the fact that ­Maguire and Bennett will both be overseas in their respective roles as coaches of the New Zealand and England teams, who will meet in a three-Test series.

The Broncos, meanwhile, will undertake a rigorous process designed to ensure they find the best candidate to take the club forward in the post-Bennett era.

The outcome will be telling: the experience of Manchester United in the English Premier League soccer highlights how important such a decision can be for a club’s fate.

United, a giant of world soccer, have struggled to keep pace with their rivals since Alex Ferguson’s departure, having tried and failed with a handful of managers. The Broncos are the closest thing in the NRL to United and Bennett is the closest thing to Ferguson.

Brisbane’s next choice is their most important, particularly with their roster at a point where many believe it is ready to compete for a title.

In other news, Manly are expected to announce their new coach next week amid whispers that Des Hasler could be back in the frame. Hasler has been out of work since parting ways with Canterbury at the end of 2017 after previously coaching Manly to two premierships in 2008 and 2011. Current assistant John Cartwright is still the favourite for the job.
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Post by Masterton » Fri 12 Oct, 2018 10:33 am

goldcoast tiger wrote:
Thu 11 Oct, 2018 9:58 pm
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Not sure if I'm missing some nuance in your post. Of course it's possible Cleary will be here in 2019, most people on this forum (me included) don't seem to think it's probable he'll be here in 2019. The fact that SFA has happened doesn't preclude the possibility that a lot of things aren't happening at a less than public level. But, as you say, time will tell.
The nuance, if there is one, is that a lot of people are operating under the assumption that Cleary definitely won't be our coach in 2019.
Well if Cleary stays that would be a disaster as mooted by Reynolds and Brooks.
Brooks didn’t say that it would be a disaster.
Not sure what Reynolds said and couldn’t less anyway
Doesn't seem to bother Esan either:

"I'm not too sure what's going on. Hopefully [Cleary] is still the coach but in saying that if he feels that's the right choice to make the move to go to Penrith, then it's the right move for him. He gave me my opportunity to debut. He does want to coach his son [Nathan] and if it's family first it's family first. There are no hard feelings."

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/sport/ ... 5092l.html
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Post by Telltails » Fri 12 Oct, 2018 10:41 am

gallagher wrote:
Fri 12 Oct, 2018 9:51 am
momo&medo wrote:
Fri 12 Oct, 2018 1:07 am
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Thu 11 Oct, 2018 10:22 pm
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It has to be 2019 for Bennett or move on to someone else.
It doesn’t have to be anything. Eating 12 months for Bennett would work out fine.
I just hate the idea of wasting another year waiting for the next year to come.
Yes seems that we are catering to two coaches who both would rather be somewhere else.
If Maguire is genuinely interested and the management feel he could do the job prefer to get him here asap.

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Post by Tcat » Fri 12 Oct, 2018 10:49 am

Telltails wrote:
Fri 12 Oct, 2018 10:41 am
gallagher wrote:
Fri 12 Oct, 2018 9:51 am
momo&medo wrote:
Fri 12 Oct, 2018 1:07 am
gallagher wrote:
Thu 11 Oct, 2018 10:22 pm


It has to be 2019 for Bennett or move on to someone else.
It doesn’t have to be anything. Eating 12 months for Bennett would work out fine.
I just hate the idea of wasting another year waiting for the next year to come.
Yes seems that we are catering to two coaches who both would rather be somewhere else.
If Maguire is genuinely interested and the management feel he could do the job prefer to get him here asap.
It's really hard to know what to believe or what's going to happen atm. I really hope whoever comes here next wants to be here, wants to create something great, doesn't treat us as a stepping stone and would tell other clubs to go jam it if given an offer whilst under contract. With things at the WTs heading in the right direction (COE, good management, good membership numbers), I hope one day that we are considered a favourable club to join and not considered a back up option.

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Post by AnnandaleTiger » Fri 12 Oct, 2018 11:06 am

Masterton wrote:
Fri 12 Oct, 2018 9:59 am
AnnandaleTiger wrote:
Fri 12 Oct, 2018 9:52 am
Anybody got this article on the Australian - Brisbane Broncos close on Wayne Bennett's replacement
Brisbane could be just weeks away from naming a replacement for Wayne Bennett after beginning the formal process of identifying their next coach from a field that is believed to include South Sydney’s Anthony Seibold, Queensland State of Origin coach Kevin Walters and premiership winner Michael Maguire......
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Post by 851 » Fri 12 Oct, 2018 11:47 am

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Fri 12 Oct, 2018 8:36 am
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It doesn’t have to be anything. Eating 12 months for Bennett would work out fine.
I'm not sure we should be prepared to sacrifice another year.
With our recruitment, I think we already have. I am not sure it is sacrificing a year, but rather performing as usual.

Let Cleary coach from the start of the year and if the team is not performing, let him resign and appoint Hodgo, Benji and Robbie as the caretakers
I agree with you on the first point, however, getting in a new long term coach immediately at least means moving swimming in the right direction, rather than treading water/drowning for another 12 months. There is zero benefit for us to have Cleary at the club any more.
I agree 100%, we cant waste another year with a coach who is looking at season 2020 with another club, his attention to our club at best will be divided
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Post by sideline eye » Fri 12 Oct, 2018 12:04 pm

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Thu 11 Oct, 2018 10:26 pm
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Penrith did announce that their board have approved Cameron Ciraldo as head coach for 2019. It was some weeks ago.
I'm not sure about that (happy to be corrected) I did hear Gus say off the cuff Ciraldo would be instated as coach for next year .. At the time it hadn't occurred
This is what I was going on:

“I don’t see any need to change anything we’ve been doing for the last five or six weeks,” Gould said on the Six Tackles with Gus podcast.

“I’ve been very impressed with Cameron Ciraldo and the academy staff and we threw everything in our academy at the NRL preparation.

“They did an outstanding job, I was really impressed with them.” Ciraldo is contracted for next season after serving as an assistant under Griffin.

On Wednesday it was reported that the club’s board had rubber-stamped his ascension to the top job on a full-time basis. /www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/panthers/came ... 57d408559c
Yeah...thats the same thing I read, not what I would call concrete and definitive. Seems rather open ended and theres been no official confirmation that Ciraldo would be head NRL coach next year. that would be pretty damned disrespectful if theyre leaving his announcement at that...a Gus Podcast
Lets not forget these are Goulds words, known BS artist extraordinaire
Yeah, I agree but that's about as concrete and definitive as it gets in this whole saga. I'm not hanging out for it but I hope, for the club's sake, that they are in a position to say something soon. Somebody needs to be planning for the pre season very soon or it will be a dog's breakfast, affecting our next season.

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Post by Spartan117 » Fri 12 Oct, 2018 1:18 pm

lets remember Gould's track record on truth

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Post by 851 » Fri 12 Oct, 2018 1:37 pm

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lets remember Gould's track record on truth
He tells that many lies, he now actually beleives himself
Go hard or go home

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Post by avocadoontoast » Fri 12 Oct, 2018 1:40 pm

851 wrote:
Fri 12 Oct, 2018 1:37 pm
Spartan117 wrote:
Fri 12 Oct, 2018 1:18 pm
lets remember Gould's track record on truth
He tells that many lies, he now actually beleives himself
Gould is a complete narcissist that is incapable of ever thinking he's in the wrong.

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Post by goldcoast tiger » Fri 12 Oct, 2018 3:35 pm

851 wrote:
Fri 12 Oct, 2018 1:37 pm
Spartan117 wrote:
Fri 12 Oct, 2018 1:18 pm
lets remember Gould's track record on truth
He tells that many lies, he now actually beleives himself
What lies did he tell,
Anyway I thought that you had no problem with liars,

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Post by The Queen » Fri 12 Oct, 2018 3:38 pm

avocadoontoast wrote:
Fri 12 Oct, 2018 1:40 pm
851 wrote:
Fri 12 Oct, 2018 1:37 pm
Spartan117 wrote:
Fri 12 Oct, 2018 1:18 pm
lets remember Gould's track record on truth
He tells that many lies, he now actually beleives himself
Gould is a complete narcissist that is incapable of ever thinking he's in the wrong.


Narcissistic personality very true

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Post by tigerap » Fri 12 Oct, 2018 4:14 pm

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Wests Tigers have made a lot of dumb decision in their short and uneventful history but keeping Ivan Cleary on as coach for 2019 will rank up there as the worst of them all.

Management might be peddling that line as some sort of legal view point but reality is that the majority of fans, media, players, other coaches and staff just wont cop it.

Would be an absolute disaster.
I would think he is gone. As for the club, as others have said they just can't come out and say " Ivan is gone and we are looking for a new coach". They won't make any announcement until everything is finalised - new coach signed, deal finalised with Penrith and a big boot purchased to kick Ivan up the rear as he leaves.
Spot on...we lose bargaining power if we announce Cleary is going in 2019 and we are on the lookout for a new coach.....the club is learning from manly on how not to manage this situation...I have a feeling we will get Bennett in 2019... I hope he brings 2 top line players with him (Not Boyd)

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Post by Cultured Bogan » Fri 12 Oct, 2018 4:17 pm

tigerap wrote:
Fri 12 Oct, 2018 4:14 pm
diedpretty wrote:
Fri 12 Oct, 2018 8:26 am
The Patriot wrote:
Thu 11 Oct, 2018 7:16 pm
Wests Tigers have made a lot of dumb decision in their short and uneventful history but keeping Ivan Cleary on as coach for 2019 will rank up there as the worst of them all.

Management might be peddling that line as some sort of legal view point but reality is that the majority of fans, media, players, other coaches and staff just wont cop it.

Would be an absolute disaster.
I would think he is gone. As for the club, as others have said they just can't come out and say " Ivan is gone and we are looking for a new coach". They won't make any announcement until everything is finalised - new coach signed, deal finalised with Penrith and a big boot purchased to kick Ivan up the rear as he leaves.
Spot on...we lose bargaining power if we announce Cleary is going in 2019 and we are on the lookout for a new coach.....the club is learning from manly on how not to manage this situation...I have a feeling we will get Bennett in 2019... I hope he brings 2 top line players with him (Not Boyd)
I'd even take Boyd. He is better than anyone else in our three quarter line.
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Post by Tigerdon » Fri 12 Oct, 2018 4:50 pm

Bennett's revealing text to Broncos players on 2019 plans
Author
Joel Gould
Timestamp
Fri 12 Oct 2018, 04:25 PM

Broncos coach Wayne Bennett sent a text to all his players about his plans for next year in which he said "I'm committed to you for 2019 and excited with what we can achieve together".

The text, sent to the entire playing group on September 25, was a heads up from Bennett about a Broncos statement about to be released to confirm he would not be coaching the side in 2020.

NRL.com has seen the text, which Brisbane players have taken as an emphatic promise from Bennett that he would honour his 2019 contract.


That text explains why Anthony Milford and Josh McGuire have both asserted their conviction that Bennett will coach them next season.

"There will be a press release at 4.30[pm] stating that 2019 will be my final season for the Brisbane Broncos," Bennett wrote in his text.

"I'm committed to you for 2019 and excited with what we can achieve together. It was a club decision that 2019 was my last and you know regardless of that we know what a great group we are together.

"Have a good rest for us to have the best possible season. Have a fire in the belly for 2019."

Bennett signed off his text, as he often does to players past and present, with "Coach".

>

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The 68-year-old intends to coach on in 2020 and NRL.com has reported how Wests Tigers have moved to finalise a long-term deal with Bennett in the event that Ivan Cleary is released to coach the Penrith Panthers.

Bennett also told Broncos staff that he would be on board in 2019 before he flew to England on Wednesday to coach the national side in a three-Test series against New Zealand.

Broncos powerbrokers expect Bennett to honour his commitment for next year, while also aware that things change quickly in rugby league and that a move to the Tigers or elsewhere in 2019 is not beyond the realms of possibility.

NRL.com columnist and Broncos great Steve Renouf said Bennett was left with no choice but to investigate other options.


"No one should bag him for that. That is his livelihood, and like everyone he has to look out for a job," Renouf said.

"A coach is no different and particularly now because back in the day they used to have a word called 'loyalty' but that is not in the rugby league dictionary anymore."

Renouf said Bennett would also have a fire in his belly next year to finish his Broncos coaching career with a premiership.

"If he’s here, and he's said he will be, Wayne will be wanting to go out with a bang and with a win," Renouf said.

"The Broncos won plenty of games against the top four this year and weren't far off, and I think they will be in even better shape next season.

"They can definitely challenge for a premiership."
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Post by goldcoast tiger » Fri 12 Oct, 2018 6:21 pm

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My 2 cents ...

If we get Bennett we get a coach who is the best the game has seen, has had results everywhere he has coached, and would attract players who otherwise would not see our club as a potential home.

If we get Madge we get a coach who has had success with one club, playing a certain type of footy, that he cannot replicate at the Tigers. The fact he hasn't coached anywhere else since means we don't know if he has been able to update his playbook, and we don't know if he can develop a style of coaching that would work at the Tigers. He is more of a gamble than Bennett.

I know i am in the minority, but i would keep Ivan for another year if it means definitely getting Bennett in 2020. It wouldn't be the first time, or the last time, a coach is signed elsewhere for the next season.

If everything is cleared up and the players know who is coaching and what the plan is, then they can put their heads down and concentrate on playing footy next year.
In your opinion,he’s the best,

hardly any coach has had the players that he’s had to work with.
Yes hes been good but he’s had almost the whole state that’s mad on the game to pick from,
At times he’s had 15 year old kids signed by the dozen to sift through,
Hes had a leagues club that just happened to employ a rather large number of players wives
Over a long time , and funnily enough, they weren’t sighted working in the club very often , if at all.

He’s had The Thoroughbreds to shovel money into the Bennett coffers almost every year.
He’s had two of the best highschools in the game feeding loads of talent into his teams

And he’s had the pick of Qld soo players to work with for much of his time in the game.
His only attempt with a lower quality NRL team , ended with The Knights almost on their knees.

He had a pretty good team this year, but was murdered when it mattered , and was helped bybad Officials calls through out the season ,which gave him a rails ride into the Semis.
No one can deny that with the talent that he’s had , and the help organised by Andrew Gee, at times he should have the record that he’s got!!
He won’t come here , as he’s seen the other side at Newcastle , and won’t risk his reputation before he picks up his last big checque after next year
He also scarpered from the airport after doing a crap job with the Aussie team,
There’s been a lot of good coaches, but none with the same advantages that Bennett’s had

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Post by 851 » Fri 12 Oct, 2018 7:04 pm

goldcoast tiger wrote:
Fri 12 Oct, 2018 3:35 pm
851 wrote:
Fri 12 Oct, 2018 1:37 pm
Spartan117 wrote:
Fri 12 Oct, 2018 1:18 pm
lets remember Gould's track record on truth
He tells that many lies, he now actually beleives himself
What lies did he tell,
Anyway I thought that you had no problem with liars,
He denied he knew anything about the Cleary talks, he sacked Griffin, Griffin confirmed that Gus told him Ivan was coming
Go hard or go home

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Post by TigerTiger » Fri 12 Oct, 2018 7:14 pm

Tigerdon wrote:
Fri 12 Oct, 2018 4:50 pm
Bennett's revealing text to Broncos players on 2019 plans
Author
Joel Gould
Timestamp
Fri 12 Oct 2018, 04:25 PM

Broncos coach Wayne Bennett sent a text to all his players about his plans for next year in which he said "I'm committed to you for 2019 and excited with what we can achieve together".

The text, sent to the entire playing group on September 25, was a heads up from Bennett about a Broncos statement about to be released to confirm he would not be coaching the side in 2020.

NRL.com has seen the text, which Brisbane players have taken as an emphatic promise from Bennett that he would honour his 2019 contract.


That text explains why Anthony Milford and Josh McGuire have both asserted their conviction that Bennett will coach them next season.

"There will be a press release at 4.30[pm] stating that 2019 will be my final season for the Brisbane Broncos," Bennett wrote in his text.

"I'm committed to you for 2019 and excited with what we can achieve together. It was a club decision that 2019 was my last and you know regardless of that we know what a great group we are together.

"Have a good rest for us to have the best possible season. Have a fire in the belly for 2019."

Bennett signed off his text, as he often does to players past and present, with "Coach".

>

All of Corey Oates' tries from 2018
The 68-year-old intends to coach on in 2020 and NRL.com has reported how Wests Tigers have moved to finalise a long-term deal with Bennett in the event that Ivan Cleary is released to coach the Penrith Panthers.

Bennett also told Broncos staff that he would be on board in 2019 before he flew to England on Wednesday to coach the national side in a three-Test series against New Zealand.

Broncos powerbrokers expect Bennett to honour his commitment for next year, while also aware that things change quickly in rugby league and that a move to the Tigers or elsewhere in 2019 is not beyond the realms of possibility.

NRL.com columnist and Broncos great Steve Renouf said Bennett was left with no choice but to investigate other options.


"No one should bag him for that. That is his livelihood, and like everyone he has to look out for a job," Renouf said.

"A coach is no different and particularly now because back in the day they used to have a word called 'loyalty' but that is not in the rugby league dictionary anymore."

Renouf said Bennett would also have a fire in his belly next year to finish his Broncos coaching career with a premiership.

"If he’s here, and he's said he will be, Wayne will be wanting to go out with a bang and with a win," Renouf said.

"The Broncos won plenty of games against the top four this year and weren't far off, and I think they will be in even better shape next season.

"They can definitely challenge for a premiership."
I don't mind that at all from Bennett. Shows good character, Couldn't see Mr Integrity Cleary doing that. Well, maybe he might message Nathan's buds at Penrith.
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