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Post by diedpretty » Mon 14 Jan, 2019 10:26 pm

formerguest wrote:
Mon 14 Jan, 2019 10:48 am
Geez, tough one, especially as individuals were hurt by the jersey crap. Still, everyone deserves a shot at redemption.
Yea - what individuals were hurt - the guy withheld money from a charity - no one was beaten, no one was sexually assaulted. I work in the disability sector and i see these people being put down and their rights being destroyed every day by governments, NGOs and those who are supposedly doing the right thing by them. What Simona did was wrong but nothing in comparison to the systemic belittling of vulnerable people that happens in our society every day.


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Post by diedpretty » Mon 14 Jan, 2019 10:31 pm

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For mine the Tigers should be the only club that can bring him back if they wish .

Sick of other clubs having to sack players and them coming back elsewhere.

Anyway probably a moot point as I doubt he will be back. Still I wouldn't be against it given the landscape and the potential that this would have changed his whole thoughts on wearing the jersey.
Well that ain't gonna happen is it - 1. We are the goody 2 shoes club. 2. We are not one of the favoured clubs.

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Post by formerguest » Mon 14 Jan, 2019 10:46 pm

diedpretty wrote:
Mon 14 Jan, 2019 10:26 pm
formerguest wrote:
Mon 14 Jan, 2019 10:48 am
Geez, tough one, especially as individuals were hurt by the jersey crap. Still, everyone deserves a shot at redemption.
Yea - what individuals were hurt - the guy withheld money from a charity - no one was beaten, no one was sexually assaulted. I work in the disability sector and i see these people being put down and their rights being destroyed every day by governments, NGOs and those who are supposedly doing the right thing by them. What Simona did was wrong but nothing in comparison to the systemic belittling of vulnerable people that happens in our society every day.
Happy to be corrected and agree on the vulnerable being preyed upon instead of being protected by various agencies, but pretty sure he affected individuals that forked out their hard earned and received nothing. Couldn't give two spots hoots about anyone gambling on the sport, though hate clubs and NRL taking advertising monies from the bookies.

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Post by Cultured Bogan » Tue 15 Jan, 2019 7:43 am

goldcoast tiger wrote:
Mon 14 Jan, 2019 8:59 pm
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Mon 14 Jan, 2019 11:07 am
goldcoast tiger wrote:
Mon 14 Jan, 2019 10:42 am
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Wed 20 Jun, 2018 2:29 pm
Im a big fan of redemption stories. I was one of the first posters to endorse Russell Packer. I know assaulting another human being is more serious in the scheme of things then throwing a stupid footy game, but gee idk about this one. He also ripped of charities which is a low act. Im not against anyone getting a second chance providing that person can prove they have changed their ways and try to help others. If he could do that the way Packer did i would probably support him. He's gotta put the effort in though.
I agree it’s a low act; but it’s still nowhere as bad as bashing someone within an inch of his life
I’d not like to see Simona back , but I’d rather see that than watch Packer running around in a WTs jumper each week.
It's easy to say that when you're not running a football club.
Doesn’t matter what’ you are running
Someone could have easily died in one incident
No one was was put in that position by the other player,
I’d rather see neither of them back in the game, but if I had to have one of them, I’d rather have
Simona
Fair enough. As I said my long winded earlier post at high level to not ban guys like Packer, Lodge and the like looks like gross hypocrisy. Unfortunately it cannot be viewed that way.
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Post by Furious1 » Tue 15 Jan, 2019 8:13 am

Its about protecting the integrity of the result. Packer, Lodge etc whilst their actions in society were appalling and should not (and haven't) been condoned by anyone, what they did had no bearing on the results of games. Simonas actions cast doubt over whether the results were true or not.

If there's no integrity in the result, then all you have is WWE.


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Post by Telltails » Tue 15 Jan, 2019 8:29 am

Simonas problems resulted from addiction to gambling/ drug taking. It was well documented that he requested advancements in his salary in attempt to manage his addiction.
Gambling on the NRL is promoted without much consideration about the victims of gambling addiction and how it can destroy lives and families.
It seems to be reasonable to offer some level of opportunity for redemption for one of their own who was effected by a society problem that generates money at the expense of those who generally cant afford it.

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Post by prattenparkchild » Tue 15 Jan, 2019 2:12 pm

Said it before, we'd be mad not to sponsor his application for reinstatement and offer a contract. Can have behaviour provisions. He deserves another chance and has undertaken remedial actions to address the issues. A good player, versatile and,probably hungry to redeem himself to family and league in general.

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Post by Go You Good Things » Tue 15 Jan, 2019 3:16 pm

Gee, this is a tough one.
On the one hand, we have players that have threatened to kill a family and had them cowering in fear of their life, others that stomped heads in, others that drive and speed while DUI, others that bash their female partners.
Then we have a guy that ripped off Joe Public to the tune of a few thousand.
All say they are sorry and have seen the error of their ways.
If we honestly think that the whole" goes against the core of the game" spiel has more validity than the dangers of driving drunk at speed, or the low act of beating your woman . . . well, maybe we should re-think our stance.
And if we think that Penrith's offer of a welfare role isn't just a lubricant for the NRL, for when they want a player's contract in a year or 2's time . . . . well, we are dreaming once again !

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Post by Go You Good Things » Tue 15 Jan, 2019 3:31 pm

Furious1 wrote:
Tue 15 Jan, 2019 8:13 am
Its about protecting the integrity of the result. Packer, Lodge etc whilst their actions in society were appalling and should not (and haven't) been condoned by anyone, what they did had no bearing on the results of games. Simonas actions cast doubt over whether the results were true or not.

If there's no integrity in the result, then all you have is WWE.
Its all about protecting the integrity of society. While what Simona did wasn't ideal, it might have had a slight effect on a games result. MIGHT.
What Lodge, Musgrove, GI, MCK, etc, etc did might not have affected something as important as a game's result, it did however endanger lives and mentally scar people for life.
If I had the choice between my daughter going out with a bloke that put a few bets on a game, or a bloke that had a family s*** itself in fear of their life after he threatened to kill them . . . . well, grab me a beer, I'm watching the wrestling.

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Post by kiwitiger » Tue 15 Jan, 2019 5:51 pm

Furious1 wrote:
Tue 15 Jan, 2019 8:13 am
Its about protecting the integrity of the result. Packer, Lodge etc whilst their actions in society were appalling and should not (and haven't) been condoned by anyone, what they did had no bearing on the results of games. Simonas actions cast doubt over whether the results were true or not.

If there's no integrity in the result, then all you have is WWE.
Bingo! It's the integrity of the result. He was banned for betting money against his team/himself. I remember his kick infield against the warriors early in the tackle count in one of the games he bet on, it was brain less. He didn't txt his ex about it so it looks innocent but I still think no one is that dumb...if he plays again call it wwfnrl.

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Post by kiwitiger » Tue 15 Jan, 2019 6:12 pm

Go You Good Things wrote:
Tue 15 Jan, 2019 3:31 pm
Furious1 wrote:
Tue 15 Jan, 2019 8:13 am
Its about protecting the integrity of the result. Packer, Lodge etc whilst their actions in society were appalling and should not (and haven't) been condoned by anyone, what they did had no bearing on the results of games. Simonas actions cast doubt over whether the results were true or not.

If there's no integrity in the result, then all you have is WWE.
Its all about protecting the integrity of society. While what Simona did wasn't ideal, it might have had a slight effect on a games result. MIGHT.
What Lodge, Musgrove, GI, MCK, etc, etc did might not have affected something as important as a game's result, it did however endanger lives and mentally scar people for life.
If I had the choice between my daughter going out with a bloke that put a few bets on a game, or a bloke that had a family s*** itself in fear of their life after he threatened to kill them . . . . well, grab me a beer, I'm watching the wrestling.
But society did not think it was bad enough to lock them up/punish them hard. The problem here is the law or how it is applied. The nrls job is to protect the integrity of the game. Simona brakes that, the other issues have to be dealt by the courts/law. If the law let's them off, how can/why should the nrl punish them.

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Post by ALX22 » Tue 15 Jan, 2019 8:57 pm

Nope, no NRL return, can play at local level just like Grevsmuhl.

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Post by GNR4LIFE » Tue 15 Jan, 2019 9:16 pm

There are much better players out there, who have not been out of the game for 2 years, if we want a centre that much.

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